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18 hours ago, Nextmanup said:
Miami gets it!
Love their approach. If we could just swap coaching staffs, we'd be a much more serious contender than we are.
What makes you say that their coaching staff is better than the Bills?
The Bills dominate them, have done a lot more, have actually been a contender, even last year with a slew of major injuries both early in the season and late in the season.
So, can you explain your point, why you believe this?
Or, is it just a joke, sarcasm?
I am assuming the latter is the case-?
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19 hours ago, ngbills said:
They were good last year and almost beat us out. That is with Tua and we have Josh. What does that tell you if Tua is so bad. They take another step and they have passed us. Funny how people love to say they are all hype when we are the team underperforming with a top QB.
Essentially punted on the draft - trade back and get Coleman.
Now punting on the vets - we get Claypool.
Yikes--is there anything, any move, any aspect of the team that you actually like?
I am very critical at times, but to throw hate at almost every move they make is crazy. Get a new team--find one you actually like maybe, and don't despise?
19 hours ago, Putin said:You are not worried about Tua throwing the ball ? He had more passing yards then our Franchise QB
Did you watch any of the Dolphins games against good teams last year?
I would go back and do so....
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19 hours ago, DCofNC said:
Back to hearing how Lamar has no weapons..
Real talk, Miami should be really good this year.
yeah, really really good--the Bills better look out!!
Did you think the Jets were going to be really good last year, this year?
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On 4/28/2024 at 9:35 PM, Alphadawg7 said:
Ray Davis was one of my favorite picks. He’s gonna eat here, and I don’t know how anyone can watch even the first minute of the video posted and not think he’s fast.
And we don’t have stupid Dorsey anymore afraid to play the talent. I think Davis and Cook are going to make a dynamic 1-2 punch as the run game continues to be a big part of the offense under Brady.
I said it before the draft…I said it during the draft…and I’ve said it after the draft. This offense not only will be a top unit again, it has the potential to be the best one of Allen’s career. I will have a more detailed write up of this tomorrow too.
Yup, with the moves Bean made at WR and running back, and possibly at center as well, this could be the best offense of the Allen era---and the best in the NFL this year.
The defense will likely need some time to get up to speed after losing some key players, but the offense will carry the team while that happens.
They really needed a power back, a MJD type of player, to punish defenses, something Cook cannot do because of his size. It will help Cook became an even better, more dangerous player, that combo, maybe an elite one.
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One of the main reasons I was emphatic about Dorsey being a dud, and that he must be fired, was his gross incompetence, including his extremely poor use of the players on this offense. Not using Shakir was one of Dorsey's most incompetent 'decisions'. I was screaming for this sure handed, smart, fast separator to be their main slot receiver (++) and to be on the field all of the time..
The fact that he trained last summer with Moulds only enhanced my belief in what he could do last year if just given the opportunity. As the Bills' offense regressed and regressed I was shocked that McD did not force Dorsey to use his players better, especially Shakir.
He catches the ball like Andre Reed, and gets open like him too.
BUT, I am pretty sure almost every Bills fan believed he had already arrived last year!
But a good analysis anyway.
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On 4/28/2024 at 9:38 AM, H2o said:
At first I "liked" your post. Then I thought about it and removed my reaction. I thought to myself, "Nah, the Bills can't have the worst WR group in the NFL." So I went on ESPN.com and looked at EVERY roster, the ones I thought could be in a worse place. There are many you know off top that are absolutely better than us. There are only a couple that I even thought, "Maybe we're better than them? Could be a tie?" You're right.
The blind homerism around here is hilarious. People trying to reason and plead their case as to why we're fine, or better off, and we don't have a need in our WR group. That we had a "great" draft. It's like a lawyer who knows his client is guilty as sin, and has a snowball's chance in hell to get off, but still puts a case together for him anyway. The only difference is the lawyer is getting paid. You guys are not.
Kirby is absolutely right. In a draft like this one, the best WR draft in at least 10 years, to come away with only one guy in the 2nd and some UDFA's is an epic failure. Then watching you all plead your cases as to why we're fine, or better
, is like watching people talk up guys during the drought years. Guys like CJ Ah You, Marcus Easley, Kelvin Sheppard, and Robert Foster. Like we don't have a generational talent at QB right now. Like this brass is not continually 💩'ing on him by making a single move here or there instead of going all in to give him EVERYTHING he needs. It's mind boggling to me.
Love this line: "In a draft like this one, the best WR draft in at least 10 years, to come away with only one guy in the 2nd and some UDFA's is an epic failure."
An "epic failure"? Without ever having seen the new Bills receivers play a down on the Bills--ever.
"Blind homerism" is better than irrational, over the top hatred. Clearly, from reading your posts on this draft, you were armed and loaded, ready to attack like a mad dog foaming at the mouth--before any picks were even made.
Some of the most negative,hate filled, subjective and irrational posts I have ever seen on this board...
At least the 'blind' homers, which I think are as rare as the irrational haters, don't hate their team and hope beyond hope it all falls apart.
It will not--and all of your predictions will be even more laughable at the end of this season.
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10 hours ago, H2o said:
I'm not looking for your affirmation, so
The Chiefs did dismantle us in that AFCCG appearance. Even though it was close at halftime, you KNEW which way it was going to go. They dominated from start to finish. They had Allen so frustrated he was chucking the ball at people while on the ground.
The 13 Second game was the next colossal flop by a McDermott led squad. It is one of THE biggest flops in Playoff history. To deny that is to live in delusion.
I like how you mention nothing about how we were completely dominated by the Bengals. Out coached, out played, and ran out of our own house.
Did we not just lose by a FG attempt that went wide right? Yes, yes we did. The difference this time? It was to our arch nemesis at home in the Divisional Round, and not in the SB. And our defense couldn't stop a nose bleed that game. Nothing McDermott schemed really worked, at all. We were only in the game because of Josh and the Hardman fumble at the goal line.
Have we not had 3 OC's on 3 years? Yes, yes we have. I know Daboll got a HC job. There were many people at the time who said they would have rather kept Daboll than McDermott. That we should have made Daboll HC. The relationship he and Josh has been the biggest difference in what we have seen from this offense the last couple of years. The mention of the 3 OC's is talking about the constant change, and instability in that room. Josh is a generational talent, yes, and could probably run an offense himself at this point. Still, I hope Brady is the guy who brings stability and innovation back to that room for everyone else. We shall see.
I'm not throwing crap at the wall. I'm speaking the truth. I believe this entire off-season is going to make or break this regime. If the guys we drafted don't look like any of them are going to be impact players, if Worthy becomes a monster in the KC offense, if our WR group ends up as bad as it looks in comparison to the rest of the NFL right now, if Coleman flops, if we are a middling team that ends up 3rd in the division while missing the Playoffs, if other WR's we passed on look good on the field for their respective teams, then this regime's seats will probably be blazing hot in 2025. It will put on full display the questionable choices they have made, as well as everything prior ending back under the microscope, and the talk will be how they are wasting Allen's prime years. And that's IF things play out on the wrong side of the "if's" just like I said before.
Wow, I want to apologize--you are clearly being very objective in all you say above. You are clearly just stating the facts and NOT letting your clear hatred of McDermott be the main filter through which you see and analyze all things Bills.
I have highlighted some of the points in your post, see above, that most helped me to change my mind and so now respect your objective, rational, and NOT irrational and hate driven takes on what you say...
You are clearly not hating above, not slamming the haters list of hate against McDermott against the wall, hate that we have all heard on this board from the tiny percentage of haters. Instead, you are clearly, calmly, and with a very even hand, just laying out the facts. In fact, almost nothing you say can even be questioned or interpreted as hate filled irrational subjective bias.
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8 hours ago, H2o said:
We have all seen how things unfolded the last few years. A dismantling in the AFC Championship game by KC, 13 Seconds, the flop against Cincy, and then the recreation of Wide Right. McDermott has had friction with multiple coaches because he can't stop meddling. We've had 3 OC's the last 3 years. Frazier was sent packing, McDermott officially took over the defense, and now Babich is going to be "running" things. We've had some questionable draft choices when there seemed to be better options at the time, usually involving selecting defensive players. Now, because of the way they tried to build this squad, and the unnecessary drama, we are in what Beane calls a "transition" phase.
People love to talk about 2017, how we handed KC Mahomes. Beane wasn't here for that though. It was strictly a McDermott draft based off of the work Whaley and his scouts had done. That draft brought us White, Dawkins, and Milano. If not for the injuries that have derailed White's career, we could talk about the entire situation in a different manner. You can't deny that, right now, Mahomes is on his way to staking a claim at GOAT status. It is what it is. Now fast forward to 2024. Knowing what Allen needed, what this team needed, they traded with KC. With the situation that has unfolded with Rashee Rice, you have to believe KC was looking at WR. They take the WR with the fastest recorded 40 of all time. Me, personally, Worthy doesn't scare me. Yes, he's fast. But he has had some drops and the guy is lighter than my 16 year old at 165lbs. Let him get out there to get squared up by some of these LB's and S's who outweigh him by 30lbs-70lbs. I just don't think he's built to last in this league. I don't see him as Tyreek Hill 2.0 at all. Tyreek is 25lbs heavier than him and is a 4.2 guy in pads, as well as on the track. Still, if I am wrong, the Bills FO just handed KC a guy who will give us fits for years to come. It will be another black eye on this organization from something McDermott, and this time Beane, had hands in.
The "run it back" mentality has bit them this time. Because we were so close in the 13 seconds game, they developed this "run it back" type of mentality. Sure, we changed a player here or there, but many of the pieces have been the same squad since then. The weight is always, squarely, on Josh's shoulders. People try to use KC as a comparison and say look at what they were able to achieve without big name WR's, or whatever else. Well, KC has Mahomes, Andy Reid scheming the offense for Mahomes (probably THE largest difference), one of the greatest TE's ever to play the game, has typically had a top tier OL, a REALLY good defense littered with talent across the board, and a DC in Spagnuolo who has been a part of 4 SB winning defenses. Gabe never developed, Edmunds never developed, Von's knee, Poyer got old, Hyde's neck injury, White constantly on IR, constantly cycling out JAG's to fill holes, constantly rolling with meh WR's (outside of Diggs, who became more trouble than he was worth), keeping together a middling OL because Josh makes them look better than they actually are, defensive instability, and have changed the guy calling the offense out 3 times in 3 years. Now, on top of that, we find ourselves in Cap purgatory and still no closer to the goal we wish to achieve.
Going into the 2024 draft, a blind man could see Josh needed weapons on the outside. We had big shoes to fill in Diggs and we needed an upgrade on what Gabe Davis was in this offense. Shakir has shown promise, but he's primarily been used in the Slot. We signed Curtis Samuel, who has primarily been a Slot guy as well. After that we were left with a bunch of JAG's we already had. In the best WR class in at least 10 years, we come away with one WR. I'm not counting the camp fodder UDFA's. We drafted ONE guy. Opinions vary on that one guy. He is truly a boundary WR though. Still, you would have thought this team would have doubled up on boundary guys for the sake of giving their generational talent QB more to work with. Instead they throw all their eggs in one basket by going Safety, DT, and RB with their next 3 selections. Kirby mentioned it in another thread, and I have to concur, that this team looks to have a bottom 5 WR group right now. Until proven otherwise on the field, it is what it is. I think it is a failure, as well as a disservice to JA17, to only have come away with one WR out of this class. This doesn't mean I hate our draft, or grade it an F. I just think it's par for the course we've already seen from this regime, a course that has always seen us come up short.
In the end, I think this year will be the make or break for both Beane and McDermott. To continue to do things the same way and expect different results is madness. If the players they drafted become a foundational youth movement, if you can see the results on the field as to what they were drafted for, if Samuel, Shakir, and Coleman make for a dangerous group, if we can transition on the fly like KC did a couple years ago, and if we didn't just make the KC offense unstoppable again, then they'll be around for a while. But there are A LOT of "if's" in that statement. At some point you have to pull the plug if it's not getting you any closer to what should be the goal of every franchise in professional sports, a championship. We shall see.
You lose all credibility in the 2nd sentence of this long post: "dismantling of the Bills", "the 13 second game" and 'best' of all, "the recreation of wide right".
Don't let your love of McD get in the way of your objectivity!!
2nd best line: "3 OC's in three years"
One became a head coach--should he have turned it down just to stay with McD and the Bills? McD then fired Dorsey because he was incompetent and the made the Bills look like a 2nd rate offense that could not score in the first half and regressed rather than improved. Should McD have let that mess fester more? The only game the Bills lost after Brady took over was an overtime game in which they scored 34 points. Yet, you lump that in, along with the comical "recreation of wide right", the most negative seminal moment in Bills' history, clearly showing your post is just an irrational diatribe, filled with extremely irrational hate.
Just throwing a bunch of nonsense against the wall, and, yeah, it will stick to the brains of the tiny percentage of like minded Bills' 'fans' on this site. But the vast majority will react to those lines and this post in the same way I did.
The draft, with 100% unproven players in every pick, for every team, is the perfect place for the haters, of course.
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6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
maybe Bishop ends up being a stud....but Beane said he would have been okay with moving up for him? FOR A SAFETY? Why is that position getting premium value over WR? We could have easily gotten the same level of prospect in Round 4
Umm, have you watched any Bills games the last 6 or so years?
The high quality safeties were a seminal reason why this team, and this defense, almost never skipped beat--they remained one of the best, stingiest defenses, in the NFL for most of that time. Their safeties, Poyer and Hyde, were a cornerstone.
So, I guess I will just say, "Duh", get a good safety.
It is a tough position to do very well--they, just like good running backs, are absolutely not a "dime a dozen". \
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I agree.
Though I don't know much about some of the later picks, they could very well have picked their #1 WR, a co #1 RB, starting center, and (soon to be) starting safety.
That would make it a fantastic draft if that pans out.
Throw in a likely soon starting DT, a quality pass rusher and linebacker with all kinds of upside +++ and it may end being the kind of draft that prevents the Bills from taking a step back this year, which many expect because of their significant player losses.
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10 hours ago, ren1701 said:
Just going back to 2019 and I can go back even farther then that if you like - only one team in the big show had a top 5 run game, THE NUMBER S DON"T LIE - perhaps the talking heads you listen to do? Think about it - how many big contracts are being made for running backs??? None, as they are now throw always that you use up on a rookie deal and trade em. The weakness in Allens game went away because they moved from run run pass punt Dorcey, and be honest, remove Allen and just like Lamar, without these guys, these teams have no run game.
Let me say the thing that should be said:
Without Josh Allen, the Bills are a sub .500 team that would have got this coaching staff tanked years ago. His natural ability and aptitude for what is happening around him keeps us in games too many times as the Bills are scoring on broken plays or scramble drills.
"Only the teams with better than average running games will contend in the AFC this year....
2019 - #1 - Ravens .. no Lombardi - SB winner Pats, run ranking - 18, passing #9 (4153)
2020 - #1 - Ravens ... no Lombardi - SB winner KC, run ranking - 16, passing #1 (5005)
2021 - #1 - Philly ... no Lombardi - SB winner Bucs, run ranking - 26, passing #1 (5383)
2022 - #1 - Da Bears... no Lombardi - SB winner Rams, run ranking #5, passing #25 (3506)
2023 - #1 - Ravens again... no Lombardi - SB winner KC, run ranking #19. passing #7 (4383)
Barring the run by the Rams in 22 - nothing you are saying is supported by numbers but rather an antiquated notion that the NFL is still a run first league. Not even one of those QBS that won it were "system guys" supported by a great running game.It's all about the QB, nothing else matters and here's the real elephant in the room - as long a McD sits in that nickel cover 2 soft Tampa zone nonsense for 80% of the game, you better have a guy that can put up 35 plus points in a game because when they get to the playoffs and play REAL QB's - they eat his lunch... 4 years running now… the very definition of insanity.
The ability to run the ball well, after not committing to it, in two of the last three years made the Bills almost unbeatable. There was a clear, salient shift in philosophy, and yes, likely 'requested' by the man you despise, Sean McDermott.
It made the Bills better on offense, as they became a more physical team capable of doing what they wanted, no longer a one trick pony, no longer super predictable.
Bravo to Bean for getting a running back earlier in this year's draft than most expected, a top notch WR 1 and a likely new starting center. All men chosen there will further develop the tough, physical nature of this team, one that better matches its leader, Josh Allen.
Glad to see that our leaders on the team get it, get how vital it is to have a multidimensional team capable of imposing its will on teams, no matter the defense they face.
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15 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
The run game is important, as are all phases. But it's probably the least important of the four phases.
The Chiefs haven't had a better than average running game for a long time, and they do OK. 17th in total yards and 13th in yards per carry last year. Very average.
The Texans run game weren't good, 22nd total and 29th at YPC. They will absolutely compete this year, though they may get better at the run game. They have a ways to go to get better than average at toting the rock.
The Chiefs became the contender they have been once they made the run a priority this past year.
The Texans switched to Singletarry as their started and started to run the ball MUCH better, and so made it a more integral part of their team. They became the talk of the league, as their young QB then really took off.
The running game was vital to those playoff teams last year, and most of the other ones as well. It will be so this year again; the movement toward smaller linebackers and safeties the last few years meant the running game would take on new meaning--teams not buying into the tired already old cliche that the running game is an after thought--see Ken Dorsey--will be left behind.
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9 hours ago, ren1701 said:
Foolish? Still stuck in the 80's I see. 3 1/2 yards and cloud of dust, run it again...lol
Let me tell you what the "best running game in football" got for it - a good golf game after the first playoff game exit by the 17th best running game that is KC.
This is a passing league and has been for the last 30 years, and the offense they push, any ham and egger can run. Allen is not a "game manager" he is elite and even with the actual numbers, some people just can't face the truth. The sad part is, it will waste another 3 years from Allen shelf life before it is admitted. Number's don't lie my friend, and at the end of the day, you don't drive a Lamborghini in the snow... unless you are McD
Sorry.
yup, extremely foolish to say that the running game is not a VITAL part of almost any successful team's success. And even more to say that it is not and has not been so in recent Bills' memory. Have you been out of the country two of the last 3 years, during the 2021 and 2023 seasons?
Did you notice how much better the Bills became after 500 ish starts--and that the main, obvious, biggest change they made each of those years that turned them into contenders when it looked like they were after thoughts?
Just because you hear some very ignorant football analysts discounting the run, and saying those illogical, stupid and cliche things about the running game, that it is almost a thing of the past--watch some games next year, and see with your OWN eyes how important a good, great running team is to the success of almost all teams.
Notice how some of the few weaknesses in Allen's game seemed to disappear when the running game took off? I assume the answer is no here too. Very foolish...
Only the teams with better than average running games will contend in the AFC this year.
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1 hour ago, ren1701 said:
Right on Logic - This is draft literally defines "sustainability", that's what's important to Bean. He will never mortgage the farm at a Superbowl run and we will are ending up with the next Philip Rivers. Starting to feel like I did back in the 90's, the more things change the more they stay the same, just like back in those days, if the Bills had a Parcels or Johnson or Gibbs, how many Lombardi's are at One Bills drive?
If you find yourself saying right now, with all the talent on the field, if we had a Belichick or Reid.... that will probably answer your questions about how to feel about McD. His coaching is defense, he wants to win like that combining with a ground and pound run game circa 1989. Problem is, he has one of the greatest at the wheel, and the only time we really get to see that, and if you think about, you know it's true, is when none of that working. Then we release the hounds and que up sugar rush Allen for the win.
Just a note - the QB makes the receiver great, just look at Hill w/ Tua as opposed to Mahomes - or Walker with Brady and so on. Losing DIggs, whose production became #2 at best last 8 games and disappearing every year in the playoffs got old. I think, at the very least, with all the drops last year, maybe they are just looking for guys to just catch the ball?
and for all those peeps that judge receivers on how fast hey run I'll leave this: " I'm always fastest guy on the field, because I know where I'm going" ...Jerry RIce
Such a foolish, illogical take when it comes to the discounting of the running game in today's NFL. I know it is a very small percentage of those on the board that think that, but they are loud and vocal, giving the impression they are the majority. They are not, not by a looong shot. And thank our lucky stars the leaders of the Bills think the exact opposite thing.
The Bills are doing the right thing by continuing to build their running game. In the last three years when they decided to (forced by McD?) run the ball like they meant it, they were almost unbeatable. They became the best running team in football and almost never lost again in two of the last three years.
That is one of the best things the Bills can do to make Allen, and the Bills, reach their potential. Blind not to see that, understand that.
But overall, a good, detailed analysis of each pick, though I think you are very wrong about Davis not "moving the needle". He will be a very important player this year, may end up taking over as starting rb, enabling Cook to become a much more lasting, and even more dynamic part of the Bills' offense.
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On the contrary, the Bills did a superb job of building this team around Allen in this draft. One of the best, if not the best, in the Allen era, and it may very well go down in history as such:
--They got what they considered the best receiver for Allen and the Bills, as Allen himself said--he got the receiver he wanted. That, to me, eliminates my concerns with Coleman. I believe the Bills and Allen know much more about him, and the kind of fit he will be for the Bills, than any media personality and me.
--They got one of the best running backs in the draft, a great compliment to Cook, a MJD type player who runs hard, and like a bowling ball, catches it very well, and is the kind of tough, physical runner the Bills need as they continue their quest to be one of the best running teams in the NFL. And one of the most physical.
--At first I had thought they likely got their center for the future in the 5th round, or a possible center, one they would try to develop into a starter. BUT then I read more and more about Granger and one analysis after another thought this guy was ready to start from day one. If that happens, and he is good, look out...
--And finally, they acquired two late round tackles to develop for the O-Line.
A starting caliber wideout, running back, and center, and this from a team that had a wave of departures on defense. Hard to believe anyone would disagree that the Bills continued to be very focused on improving Allen's supporting cast for the 2022 season. If those picks alone pan out this will be one of the best NFL drafts this year.
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1 hour ago, boyst said:
We drafted a placeholder? Wtf is beane thinking.
Most analysis on him say he can likely start now, on day one, in the NFL.
So I assume your post is just trolling, just sarcasm?
If not, you are a foolish hater, acting in utter ignorance.
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26 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
he should start immediately. 44 games at C in SEC on elite team. Leader.McGovern Center play ________
keep him at LG
I agree--if he is good enough.
If so, this is an amazing pick, a starting center this year, in his first year, picked in the 5th round!
If so it changes the dynamic of this team immediately and the Bills may end up not skipping a beat this year...
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From Fox Sports:
"Summary: They simply don't come much safer than Van Pran-Granger, who checks every box there is at center, from both a tangible and intangible perspective. He isn't a perfect prospect by any means — he gets beat occasionally, too — but the team that selects Van Pran-Granger will be doing so on Day Two with the expectation that he can challenge for the starting center role immediately."
So, our new starting center? This year?
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52 minutes ago, Success said:
So, just confirming: a bunch of fans who hadn't even heard his name before 10 minutes ago hate the pick?
But notice..they are almost all the same 'fans' who almost always operate in ignorance, no matter the Bills' topic.
Ignorant haters, they be.
But go ahead and count them in this thread--thankfully, and as usual, there is just a small percentage of them compared to the more intelligent, logical, fact based fans.
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47 minutes ago, QB Bills said:
Just so you know, you have at least one fan who is appreciating your sarcasm the last couple of days.
Stupid team does stupid things. Rinse and repeat.
Does anyone consider this an actual Bills' fan?
I am very critical of the team when needed, but this kind of blanket criticism--with ZERO to back it up--is much, much different. Sad, pathetic--and soo off base..
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44 minutes ago, QB Bills said:
It's about draft pick value. And picking an RB almost never provides good value. It's like this team doesn't know they have a unicorn at qb.
Maybe the dumbest post ever??
We don't need a running game, we have a great quarterback.
It is like NOTHING, no reality, including the last few years of Bills seasons, could shake this laughable ignorance.
Shocking.
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45 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
Ty JohnsonLikely--not any more...
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44 minutes ago, Success said:
What other need?
I'd agree w/ need one more WR - but we're also in the 4th round here.....
Lol, as the Bills desperately needed a running back, and this kind of bruiser is just what they need.
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41 minutes ago, QB Bills said:
They love wasting mid-round picks on RBs. Don't know anything about the guy, but it's just poor asset management as usual from these guys.
perfect post to show the significant ignorance of a tiny percentage of Bills' 'fans-and, see above, admitted ignorance! But not knowing "anything" rips the pick apart...
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OBJ To Miami
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Posted · Edited by Mister Defense
i guess that is a "yes" on the Jets too!
Predict: you will have an immensely disappointing this coming year, again, as your preferred teams don't, again, come close to knocking off the Bills.
Best Wishes!
Wait, which team are you speaking of here? Dolphins, I assume-? I hope!