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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/12/remaining-2011-cap-space-by-team/
This might help us this year, should we actually have an interest in spending in FA (unlikely, but a guy can dream, can't he?).....
Thanks.
Its going to be interesting to see which teams carry over and how much. There are so many ways for teams to massage the cap its nuts.
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It's a very simple point. What you expressed.....a fact free opinion......is not an absolute. The truth is that the Bills have cap flexibility. The point about free-ing up cash? Do you even know how an NFL team gets cash when it needs it? They don't "free it up" they either have it or they borrow it. Were you talking about cap space? Your grasp seems very shaky.
You talk a lot, but I haven't seen anything to support your "can't do" take. Just a lot of talk about variables when the bottom line is that the team is well under the cap, has plenty of options to trim payroll and the organization has been very profitable.
Will the Bills sign a top free agent? Who knows? In most offseasons, they have not. But it wasn't that long ago they went into free agency and paid a second-tier free agent named Derrick Dockery a then outrageous $7M per year and an off-the-screen free agent Langston Walker $5M per year. Nobody saw those players or those contracts coming, but they happened. Overdorf and Littman were there then, they are here now. That's the way it goes, you just don't know what this team will do.
Yes. But i still dont think you will be able to understand.
Wait..... can any of those words or terms be misinterpreted?? Nope, im good. Okay. Go.
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Huh?? How is that number arrived at? The new CBA says the tag offer is the average salary of the top player at that position over the past 5 years.
Seymour was the last DE tagged--he got 12.4 million in 2009.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4872490
Peppers has the highest one year salary at 16.6 mil--his average is 14 mil. Where does 23 million come from?
Do you know if they changed the way they calculate franchise tags in the new CBA? I thought it was now the top 10 players but i could be wrong.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3636/mario-williams <<--anyway, there you go bud.
I dont know why its $23 million 2bh. Ive seen it all over the place. If im wrong then there are alot of bad sports writers floating around. The link i just posted is from rotoworlddotcom who sourced The Houston Chronicle. Both reliable sources imo. As for the specifics i cant help much... something to do with his cap hit from last year maybe?
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I don't get why people rag on the bills for not getting into bidding wars with other teams. Bidding wars aren't all that common in the nfl. Unless you count things like the bills making a play for clabo as a 'bidding war." Half the time teams makes offers not even realizing another team already made an offer. Any "bidding war" is usually a smokescreen done by an agent.
Randomness.
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Yeah, I wouldnt be surprised if McKelvin had a solid year. Its that last year of his contract. He knows whats up if he wants a big payday.
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Awww..do you need a hug?
Expressing absolutes........of which they have no idea what they are talking about..........starting arguments on TBD for two decades!
Please stop pretending you understand the cap better than anyone else who has read the same data. - Im sorry if i gave off that impression. As i have posted before i actually do not understand the cap better than many other people. I try to learn as much as i can from those here who are knowledgable about it though. Most importantly i keep an open mind and listen.. but i do NOT start arguements. Your insinuation is incorrect and a bit insulting but i forgive you anyway
The Bills have spoken of a "cash to cap" system but that is not a league mandate. -Youre right it's not a league mandate. So what? Still doesnt change anything. Moving on..
Even that data doesn't make signing a player to a huge contract an impossibility. -It doesnt make it an impossiblility at all. Youre right again! In the Nfl as in life anything is possible as long as you are willing to sacrifice accordingly and accept the repercussions. We'll get back to those sacrifices and repurcussions in just one sec..
Oh They have cap room, they have players like Dwan Edwards, Kelsay, Merriman who don't fit scheme, or are old, or injured who could be cut to add extra space................. -Yeah, you are right again sir! No arguements here either. You cut players = you make cap space. Edwards(scheme), Kelsay(old?)hmmmm, Merriman(injured). As im sure you know, if you cut Edwards you will save about $4 million and pay nothing. But if you cut Kelsay you save $3.5 million while paying over $2 million. Im not saying its not worth it or it is, im strictly stating facts... (or absolutes- which i do have an idea of what im talking about.) <<See? Im learning already.
Now we come to Merriman. According to Rotoworld.comand and other sources, if he passes a physical he will automatically have $3 million of his $4 million base salary guaranteed whether you cut him or not. Plus bonuses. My OPINION is that he will pass the physical thus saving you less money and cap space than cutting him is worth.are they going to sign Mario Williams?..........the answer is probably not, for a variety of reasons.......- Huh? Probably not? Is that what this is all about? I didnt use the word "probably" to quantify my statement?
Thats weak. Proabably is an interesting word my friend but im not running for office. I can start a thread saying that the Bills can go out and trade for the #1 pick overall. Technically they can. Does it make any sense to do so considering what it will cost? Nope. But its not impossible to pull off. Yet somehow I doubt many people will respond with only a - "they probably wont". ..but financially it is possible and it wouldn't be the first time the Bills had the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. I know Bruce Smith was and I think Ted Washington was when he signed his new deal in 1997.
Okay back to that whole thing about repercussions. If you are willing to face them than anything is possible. There is money to be saved from cutting players. Not resigning players. Veteran salary exemptions. Reconstructing the top players base salaries. An owner can write to the league and specify how much of last years unspent cap he wants to roll over to this year (not sure if the Bills qualify for this now). Trading away draft picks. Trading away players. CBA loopholes. But whatever you do you better free up about $15-$18 million in cash because thats what it looks like it will take to sign Williams.
I used the word cant. It does seem to offend you. If the Bills were a team willing to get into bidding wars when signing free agents, and were in a position to make a final push to a championship it would be different. But as it stands now, given all the factors to consider, "cant" may not be as accurate as "probably not" but i do think its more honest.
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No offense to anyone but isn't being a straight A student at Clemson kind of like being the smartest man in Canada?
Hey that's rude! Haha
Can you even find Canada on a map?
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If you felt like I insulted you I apologize but my point was that you WEREN'T being realistic when you said we couldn't sign both VJ and SJ... We already have a CJ on the team now all we need is a BJ and chill out and let Buddy do what he came here to do...
Actually, I wasnt the one who said it, it was K-9. And he didnt say we couldnt, he said we wouldnt. And not only did i not say we couldnt.. i think i explained that we could if we didnt spend much money elsewhere.
Maybe youre right and i do have a miserable attitude but i dont think so. I actually argued for both sides of the issue. Both for signing him and against. I just think i was being realistic. Do you think they will spend almost $20 mil. on SJ and VJ? Because that is what it will take.
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What i dont get is how the writer (if you want to call him that) writes a story without quoting Spiller or anyone else. Refers to a league source and then uses words/phrases like...
...things could get awkward.
It’s unclear what Spiller will do..
...it could become a problem.
Spiller could react unreasonably.
Uhhh, yeah and btw, the Bills COULD win the Super Bowl.
Is this what its come down to?
Anyway, i agree with you NoJustice, i dont think Spiller will cause any problem at all- he will just look to win the starter spot by trying to outplay Jackson; which works for me.
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I owe you an apology. Most footbal expert name Buffalo as a possible landing spot for Williams. I foolishly listened to them.
You dont owe me an apology my friend, it was a simply misunderstanding. Ive done the same thing and probably been wrong a whole lot more often than you.
Don't apologize, just share where your numbers are from. Also cap space from last year now carries over to this year.
http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/141339-the-2011-cba-has-a-salary-cap-carry-over-clause/
Sure. Go to http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/ and have a look around.
Www.rotoworld.com is good for contract details as well and updates frequently.
Other than that i just read alot of nfl reports and try to catch a few updates on nfl network.
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NFL numbers aren't publicized, so what they have under the cap is unknown. Also there are multiple ways of calculating a teams cap number, so the cap room that you may see on one site may be accurate, but may not be in the fashion that the bills determine their cap.
The salary cap last year was $123,375,000. This year it is widely projected to be about $120,000,000.
I have made plenty of posts about how numerous factors come into play when determining a teams cap space. You can circumvent the cap here and there which alot of teams do but its definitely possible to get a general sense of where each team is at. The Bills are about $25 mil under... nowhere near $35 million.
Sorry.
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Have you read any information about the Bills cap room??? They are estimated to have 35 mil this year alone. Mario will probably be singing for around 10 mil per year. So the bills can easily sign him, stevie, their rookies and a couple lower level free agents.
What? Where did you hear that they would be $35 million under the cap?
Mario Williams at $10 million a year??? Try $16 million+ and thats if a bidding war doesnt get out of hand!
Now its finally making sense as to why we arent agreeing on this subject... you have all your numbers wrong.
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There is a blog on BuffaloBills.com today speculating that Melvin Ingram, at 6'2", 276 lbs. may run a 4.6 40. Buffalo needs a strong side OLB, one that can defend the run, rush the passer, and defeat TE's. If Ingram is as fast as expected and if he is nimble footed, i.e., able to turn and run, he might be the player that can neutralize Gronkowski.
Buffalo has to be able to defeat New England if it ever expects to win the AFC East. A big part of that is dealing with the Gronk. Watching him at the Combine is high on my to-do list. If he does as expected and both he and Coples are there for Buffalo at #10, Buffalo will need every second of those fifteen minutes.
Are you kidding me? Did you not see Gronk on the dance floor? There isnt a LB on the planet who can keep up with that footwork!
Actually, i find this very interesting. Im interested in reading what the draft experts on this board have to say about it. (I dont know squat about the draft or draft prospects)
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Yea because we were so good with just Stevie. You guys need to stop trying to be GM's. To sign both will not put us over the cap so explain why the hell we wouldn't be able to sign both plus take care of Fred... Let me guess. Cuz "ralph is cheap" right?
Sometimes you gotta love Bills fans and sometimes you wish they'd stop with the miserable attitude.
Calm down buddy.
I'll explain.
Its not that signing both will put us over the cap. Its just that some of us realize that the Bills need to spend money elsewhere as well. You think i dont want to see the Bills resign everyone and sign free agents left and right? Its not being negative imo if you are just being honest.
If you would rather see the Bills sign VJ instead of spending money on for example a DE thats fine. Im not the guy who is going to try to insult your opinion.. but dont insult others who are just being realistic okay?
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That may be true but doesn't he have something like a 1 million roster bonus this spring? If he passes a physical and they keep him were on the hook for the whole 3+ mil. Thats a lot of cash for a gimpy cheerleader.
Yeah youre right. Good point. So if he doesnt pass the physical he is no longer guaranteed the base or bonus. But if he does then they have to keep him because he gets the money either way. He does also have a bunch of incentives that can be added bases on his performance but i doubt the Bills care about that because if he DOES play well then they'd be happy to pay him for it.
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Its a mistake resigning Jackson he is 31 coming off an Injury plus you have a good young back who showed he is more than capable of starting, Buddy needs to learn from the Fitzpatrick signing that you don't sign a player just because you personally like them they have to be able to play
On the other hand, there was a time when stevie was asking for only $7.5 mil remember? Yeah.. haha
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Cut Kelsay and Merriman and we would have more than a few bucks to chase someone good.
Rotoworld.com reports that Merriman's contract has $3 million of his second-year base salary guaranteed. If thats accurate you wouldnt gain very much by cutting him. You could cut Dwan Edwards and Spencer Johnson and save about $7 million though.
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If the Bills sign either SJ or VJ the other won't be signed. It's one or the other. As to whom they prefer, there's a legit case to be made for both. Personally, I hope they re-sign Stevie.
GO BILLS!!!
I agree 100% with you. But it would be so good to have both guys! Who would BB double? I guess he would try to double both like he did to Cruz and Nicks... but we still have Fred! Nelson would sure see alot of 1 on 1 converage, thats for sure.
I guess if the Bills decide to not sign anyone on defense they could go after VJ (10+ a year!) but personally i prefer they go after a top5 free agent defensive end. jmo.
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I'm hearing once we resign our guys (SJ, Chandler, Bell) and our draft picks we're pretty close to tapped out on salary cap. How can that be?
I see teams like Philly with around $40 mil tied up just in Peters, Vick, and Asumugha. And teams like the Jets who have all manner of highly paid guys were somehow in the Asumugha and now Peyton Manning discussion. Seeing as how we don't have any players that are really breaking the bank at their positions, how is it we don't have room to go after some big name free agents?
What am I missing?
You arent missing much actually. I think you probably understand it pretty well, its just that when people start talking as if they are in dreamland it gets easy to confuse reality with make believe.
The Jets are in cap trouble. They will have to try to reconstruct a couple of contracts. Luckily guys like Sanchez have come out and said they are willing to do that for the team. If guys arent- then they face the possibility of getting cut. With the new CBA the Jets might have some manuverability because i've heard that dead money from last year may not count against the cap in 2012? Not sure of the specifics. The Jets have over $8 million in dead money last time i checked so that may help them out. There are also some exemptions the league will make such as veteran salaries to help teams allocate their cash.
If the Jets want Manning they will cut Sanchez. That will free up 9 million or close to that. But i guess they will have to cut more than if Manning signs for more. Bottom line is that the Jets wont end up with Manning.
The Eagles are in a better situation as they are under the cap. While their top players make alot they save some money (compared to the bills) in the bottom half of their roster. With a roster of 50+ its surprising how a quarter mil here and half a mil there add up. But after all is said and done they are less than 20 million under the cap ANd they have to sign D.Jackson if they want him back.
Compare that with the Bills who are $25 million under and have to sign S.Jackson.
I hope that helps a little. Tracking the cap and the CBA is such a pain so i usually dont know much about either but i do know simple math which is why sometimes i get annoyed when posters talk about signing Mario Williams or going out to sign 3 of the best free agents. And then when Nix doesnt they whine and complain as if its Buddy Nix's fault they flunked grade two math.
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Bills general manager Buddy Nix told the team’s website that management plans to reward Jackson with a contract extension. Jackson will turn 31 on Feb. 25, but nothing about him indicates an imminent decline in production.
Heard it before but still, its good news and feels good to hear him reitterate his position on Fred.
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They have cap room to sign him
Hate to say it but.... youre offyourocker
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agreed
Upgrade the pass rush and you'll upgrade the secondary. Neglect the pass rush and it doesn't matter who is back there, can't cover forever. Rather spend the money/marquee picks on the DL/OLB and the rest will take care of itself.
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Have the Texans announced that they are not tagging Mario Williams?
No. But the numbers just dont add up. Its reported that if they tag him it will cost in the 23 million dollar range. Theres no way they do it.
They have said their top priority is resigning him but with a stacked Defense (that did great without him) and Cap Restrictions, they very well may let him walk even though im sure they dont want to.
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They really can afford him if they want to.
They really cant. Well... technically i guess you are right. If they want to they can go out and sign anybody. Probably trade for almost anybody also.
My point is that realistically they just dont have the cap room. Unless you can cut about 16-18 million dollars worth of players currently on the roster. Yeah it can be done if they really wanted but somehow i just dont think its wise.
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Bills wont carry over though will they? I hope they do.