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NFl on field analyst Tony Seragusa said Bills secondary - not hustling, making plays, most let team down. Leodis and Duke Williams had particularly poor performances.
Which Bills units and players do you think most let team down against Pats?
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I questioned his commitment going back to his rookie year with Chicago. And that's not an attack on his character. Some guys, big lineman mostly, seem to lose the fire once they get paid. And I think we'll see more of that as the issue of brain damage keeps coming to the fore, especially among lineman.
I can see why that seems ridiculous and again, I'm not attacking Williams' character, I just don't think he's committed to the game long-term.
GO BILLS!!!
You're "not attacking Williams character?" Everything you said questioned his character.
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The Jets aren't that stupid and I don't want Geno in a Bills uniform.
This.
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Pros and cons of a Bills win:
Pros:
Playing at home (12th man)
MLB Spikes has inside Pats knowledge, will be pumped
Orton an upgrade over EJ
Cons:
Belichek best coach in NFL
Brady an upgrade over Orton
Bills may be suffering honeymoon effect after emotional Lions win
Too close to call. Hope Bills find a way!
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Great receivers make QBs look good
Orton's veteran leadership made a difference to Sammy's confidence in practice and in the game. Definite upgrade from EJ. Marrone deserves credit to pull the trigger on the move.
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Kiko will be the Bills starting QB in 2015. Bank on it.
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(Trade EJ for)... A front row seat at any Cleveland sports bar to watch the Browns' (courtesy of the Bills) 1st round draft pick in 2015.
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Coaches don't make draft picks. I'm sure he was in favor of EJ but he didn't make the choice. And there were not any better choices. I still would take EJ over Geno and Mike Glennon.
Okay, coaches don't make draft picks... let's agree Bills have had a consistently tragic front office. EJ over Geno and Mike Glennon? Maybe. However only EJ was a 1st round reach. With Marketing guru Russ Brandon 'leading the charge', Bills too often go for dramatic picks (against the better judgement of smart football men). Need a "big WR"? Force pick James Hardy. Need a franchise QB? 'Shock the world' and pick EJ (a projected 3rd rounder in the 1st round). Assume EJ (an unproven QB) is 'the man' to get him the ball, move up to get gifted WR Sammy Watkins in exchange for next year's #1 (i.e the future). I, for one, think RB should be fired (or kept FAR away from football operations). Brandon's the only common denominator in the past 14 year playoff-less years.
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The Bills should have benched Hackett. 23 runs and 44 passes against one of the worst rushing defenses and best pass rusher in the NFL. Way to attack your adversary's weaknesses Junior. This basically finishes EJ in Buffalo. Now that he's a Duncan Butterfly, this is JP Losman redux. You can't treat your starter like a yoyo. It's over. Time to start looking for the next franchise QB.
But you can't bench the coach. Running the ball may be a strategy to attack a weaker rushing defence, but to do so incessantly becomes predictable and easy to stop (i.e stack the line)... The tapes don't lie. Teams were beginning to scheme to shut down Freddy, CJ, and the slant pass to Sammy. Why? Because WE HAVE A QB WHO CAN'T THROW ACCURATELY ON MID AND DEEP ROUTES. So take a clipboard Mr. Manuel. Use your practice time to improve your passing and decision making. You'll likely get another chance. And when that time comes, better make it count.
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I really do not understand why so many people are pissed about the QB switch on these boards. There is nothing but upside in this move. EJ may eventually be a better QB than Orton, but he is not right now. The Bills just showed they are willing to do whatever it takes to win now, which should make us all happy as fans. So lets look at potential outcomes.
1) Orton becomes the second coming of Kurt Warner. With the talent on this team, he is still young enough to play for 5 or 6 years, which would give Buffalo their QB of the future and time to develop another QB, assuming they resign Orton after this year. EJ continues to develop and we have a very solid back up for the next few years and eventually EJ gets another shot sometime in the future.
2) Orton is an average QB, which makes him much better than EJ (right now) which gives us a chance at winning this season. Orton keeps us in it, EJ has some time to learn from the sidelines and comes back next year more able to lead an offense. If EJ is too delicate to handle a setback like being benched early in his career, than quite frankly, we should know now, because he will never have the mental maturity to be a quality NFL QB. Remember, Orton had a decent rookie year where he started 15 games, only to be benched in year 2. He is still playing and working. We should expect no less from EJ.
3) Orton is the exact same as EJ. In which case this season is over. Orton plays a few games until we are essentially out of the running, and then EJ comes back in to develop more. Hopefully, the experience helps him and we have our QB of the future.
4) Orton is the worst QB since B.J Hobert. in which case the season is over and EJ will come back in to develop later in the season. We then see EJ is still bad and not developing which means we are no better off than we are right now from the QB position. At least in this case you showed your veteran team that you were not sacrificing the season on the alter of letting EJ "develop" and you did everything you could right now to win. It does not matter if you like EJ or not, EJ was loosing this team, especially the receivers. if they did not change, there would have been a mutiny eventually.
So at the end of the day, I do not think anyone can argue that the Bills just improved the talent level at the QB position (right now) and the team should be better (right now) because of it. If we are not, then it does not really matter anyway, because EJ will have plenty of time to develop more when the games do not count in November.
Like EJ, dont like EJ - hard to argue this team was going nowhere fast this season with him behind center.
Agreed with every word.
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They should give him sometime on the bench to "develop" behind Orton. Plus I bet Orton will have donuts for the oline every monday.
This.
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The problem:
I watched the game yesterday and was struck by the multiple missed opportunities by our 'young' QB. There were opportunities to make plays that resulted, instead, in inaccurate throws and/or missed receivers. All kudos to SD for playing a smart game. But I couldn't help to agree with the announcers that the chances for EJ and the Bills were there. I thought to myself many times, geez [insert a dozen QB names], would have made that play. The Bills could have won that game.
The solution:
Start him a couple more games and if/when he falters sit him in favor of Orton. Let him watch and learn. This would be the best thing for his development. While there's no guarantee he truly has the instincts to be a winning NFL QB, this approach at least keeps his psyche intact and allows him to grow for possible future usefulness. You can't teach 6' 5" and 4.6 speed. You can arguably teach throwing mechanics and field awareness (maybe). This approach presupposes the right QB coach. Am not sure if the Bills have the guy currently employed? Maybe Frank Reich has the skills to help EJ find the light?
The future:
Without a #1 draft pick there may not be a sure fire franchise available QB in next year's draft. In the 2014 season let's see what Orton has and hand EJ the clipboard. If Orton isn't the guy, pick up a quality FA next year who can play. In any event, DO NOT force a draft pick again based on desperation (e.g EJ at #16 when he was a projected 2nd/3rd rounder). The Bills FO needs to do a better job of scouting potential 'real deals'. Have a plan to draft the right guy, even if it takes a year of patience to find him.
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Keeping in mind that they were all wrong last week with the Bears game
CBS with Bills -0.5 as well as straight up, six take the fins and two take the Bills.
ESPN picks not in yet.
Hate to sound like comments prior to the Bears game, but a lot rides on EJ. If he performs/ manages the game well, with a similar QB rating of 90+, I like our chances.
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I think you guys know where I stand.
I'd get rid of Brandon and as many of the FO personnel (Littman, Overdorf, etc) as possible after a short transition period o start clean and fresh with a new organization and a new way of doing things.
I would hire a President, Football Operations and let him decide on Whaley and Marrone after the season. I think GM/HC deserve a 3-year period for proper evaluation, however, if season plays out poorly, i.e. 7 wins or less, than I might clean house there as well.
To me, a new owner is an opportunity to really hit the reset button for this franchise. It's not personal, it really isn't, it's about establishing a new culture, a new way of doing things and creating a new more successful future.
+1
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no way we lose this game with all of the momentum from the sale and the Chi victory. people are going to be going nuts in the stands. should be fun
Bills 24
Fins 20
Yes, it will be crazy. But weren't they saying " no way we lose" to the lowly Bills in Chicago prior to Bears' home opener? Miami's a good team who just knocked off the Pats. We'll have to earn this one on the field.
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I hope he keeps Whaley and Marrone
For me, one victory in 2014 makes this a little early to wish for. As long as you're speculating, it will be interesting to see whether Russ Brandon is part of the picture going forward? He's the only common denominator the past 14, playoff-less years...
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He was an idiot here. Most NFL players are idiots and convicts. He was a great RB here and the Bills traded him for pretty much nothing. A typical OBD move. How do you stick up for that?
Seriously? One organization has been a conventional Superbowl contender while the other is a consistent loser. Obviously the One organization knew better then the other.
Spiller and Jackson are solid RB's. No question. However if we kept Lynch we could have used that 1st round pick on something else instead of chasing our tails around like we do year after year. Why there are people still not questioning moves made by this organization is beyond me.
Amen. This. Word.
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Allow me. I do this once a year, so feel free to cut and paste this every week Lynch runs for over 100 yards.
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Fred Jackson ran him off the field. Literally. Freddie burst onto the scene and not only was he a better runner than Marshawn, he was better at every facet of the position. He had better hands, ran better routes, was better in pass protection, and he had the characteristics of a team leader both in the locker room and off the field. And although Fred was 28, he had very low mileage on him from his short NFL career.
Marshawn on the other hand had a flighty, quirky personality. He showed flashes of brilliance when he went "Beastmode" inside the red zone, but that intensity didn't happen every time he touched the ball (it should in the NFL) He was involved in a hit-and-run incident at 4AM downtown, then to follow that up he stole $20 out of someone's purse (seriously?). He was 1 incident away from facing a hefty league suspension, and he had 1 year left on his contract. It was a pretty easy call to cut bait with him at that point. We weren't going to hand him a huge contract with his off-field history here.
And let's not act like teams were lining up to get him. At that time Green Bay was desperate for a RB and Ted Thompson, one of the more respected GMs in the league, wanted nothing to do with him. It created an awkward situation here where we were forced to actually start Marshawn for a few games to showcase him, which really confused our fan base.
Seattle gambled and won. Marshawn cleaned up his act and matured immensely - it's the classic "change of scenery" situation. He runs hard every time he touches the ball now. Kudos to him for getting his act together. But let's not pretend our record would be any different with him here.
Don't kid yourself. The Bills would have been a better football team with Marshawn here. And, more to the point, would have been a better football team if it had nearly as competent of a FO as the Seahawks. First of all, as football players with different but complimentary talents, Fred Jackson AND Marshawn Lynch could have been successful teammates on the same team... a Super Bowl caliber team. Saying Fred Jackson ran a young M.L "off the field" is absurd. Everyone knew the kid was talented. Are you saying you can't have two great RB's on the same team? (Look at the rosters of most championship teams... there's more than one back who can play).
Yes, Marshawn had some off field issues. Note: he has had off field issues in Seattle, too. (More, below). You say, Seattle "gambled and won"? Stealing M.L for a '4th' round draft pick isn't a huge gamble. It was a "going out of business sale"! The Bills got fleeced. What Seattle's FO was able to do, that OBD could not, was manage a gifted, albeit occasionally bad ass player. This is after all football, and ML is no Aaron Hernandez.
Lest you think Lynch instantly turned it around, without Seahawks' management patience and guidance consider the following:
"The off-the-field problems didn’t end for Lynch following the move to Seattle. He was arrested again on suspicion of DUI in July 2012 after being observed driving erratically on a freeway in his hometown of Oakland, California. Lynch pled to guilty to a reckless driving charge in February 2014 to resolve the case and was placed on probation for two years, fined an undisclosed amount and required to attend classes on driving safety and alcohol consumption.
Lynch caused off-the-field headlines last season when it was revealed he’d skipped mandatory media sessions, incurring a $50,000 fine from the NFL that was later revoked. In the offseason, Lynch threatened to skip mandatory minicamp and missed the first week of training camp while holding out for a new contract two years after signing a four-year, $30 million extension with Seattle.
He ended his holdout on July 31 and reported back to the team after the Seahawks reworked his contract to guarantee some of his incentive money, resulting in an additional $1.5 million for Lynch this season".
Marshawn has a Super Bowl ring and was voted recently, by his teammates, their MVP. He sets the tone for the Seahawks physicality and mind set. Seattle's FO has built a champion - has drafted and traded superbly, AND has managed its player assets. Bills fans have been let down and mismanaged by a largely Marketing driven organization. (The only common denominator, beyond an aging owner, the past 14 Playoff-less years has been Russ Brandon). I pray the Bills are led by a new owner who keeps the team in Buffalo, and brings in real football men who'll guide the franchise for years to come...
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Put Manuel into Carroll's scheme and playcalling and put Wilson with Hackett/Marrone
Wouldn't matter. Wilson processes the game twice as fast as EJ.
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One bad decision led to several more bad decisions. Trading Lynch meant we used a #1 on Spiller. If we hadn't we could have taken Dez Bryant. If we had Dez Bryant we wouldn't have needed TJ Graham, and we could have picked up Wilson in that round to be mentored by Ryan Fitzpatrick.
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Watching the Seahawks- Packers game and watching "beast mode" in action, reminded me how our FO traded Marshawn away for a '4th' round draft pick and a conditional 5th or 6th. On NFL Network tonight, Michael Bennett says he and his Super Bowl champion Seahawks' teammates voted ML their "most indispensable player." Nice. This undervalued trade is one of dozens of curious moves that have kept the Bills stuck in neutral.
With 14 years of playoff drought, what's your favorite OBD F.O gaffe? Okay, other than Aaron Maybin!!!
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Watching the Seahawks- Packers game and watching "beast mode" in action, reminded me how our FO traded Marshawn away for a '4th' round draft pick and a conditional 5th or 6th. On NFL Network tonight, Michael Bennett says he and his Super Bowl champion Seahawks' teammates voted ML their "most indispensable player." Nice. This undervalued trade is one of dozens of curious moves that have kept the Bills stuck in neutral.
With 14 years of playoff drought, what's your favorite OBD F.O gaffe? Okay, other than Aaron Maybin!!!
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Watching the Seahawks- Packers game and watching "beast mode" in action, reminded me how our FO traded Marshawn away for a '4th' round draft pick and a conditional 5th or 6th. On NFL Network tonight, Michael Bennett says he and his Super Bowl champion Seahawks' teammates voted ML their "most indispensable player." Nice. This undervalued trade is one of dozens of curious moves that have kept the Bills stuck in neutral.
With 14 years of playoff drought, what's your favorite OBD F.O gaffe? Okay, other than Aaron Maybin!!!
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He's being traded for a QB, I expect.
Hmm... a WR that can't catch for a QB that can't throw.
Orton is mediocre
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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And with a high, mid, or low 1st round draft pick to Cleveland, you've got to play your best QB... which right now is clearly Orton.