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A totally scientific poll!
By other part of the country, I mean out of market - Rochester doesn't count.
If it's opening week, every team is 0-0, and every team is playing at 1pm, who is CBS showing in your region (or fox, for that matter.)
I live in the Patriots market.
And the pessimist v. optimist part should be pretty self explanatory.
Are you a glass half full or half empty type of fan?
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I will never understand this sentiment after another choke loss...
the nfl has changed.
your problem is that you hold todays bills up against the standards set by the team the last time they were good - in the early 90s.
the nfl of that time was completely different. free agency didnt exist yet, and to win, you didn't need to be "good enough" you needed to be extraordinary.
today, if you get into the playoffs, you can win the super bowl.
the packers were 10-6 last year.
i live out of market. i see the patriots week in and week out. they have never, i repeat, never been a dominant team when they won the super bowl.
they win ugly.
you're stuck in a mindset of "if the bills arent completely dominating their opponent week in and week out, they are bad, and therefor cant win the superbowl."
that was the reality of the league 20 years ago.
times have changed.
the bills are a few players and a healthy roster away from being an 11 win team, ergo, being a super bowl competitor.
call me crazy if you want, but i would say, right now, the buffalo bills have a realistic shot of winning the super bowl NEXT year.
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this has been a great season. they played very well today.
with the injuries they had, most of this board was expecting a 56-3 blowout.
looks like an 8-8 team to me.
unlike you, the players on the bills haven't given up. and even if they have, their contracts arent guaranteed, so they have to show up and give some effort next week.
after going 4-12 last year, its been great seeing the start these guys had to this year, and the way they came out and played today.
fitz looked great, cj did his job, and our d played well.
great game, against a tough division opponent on the road.
GOOD DAY TO BE A BILLS FAN!
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pigs will fly
hell will have frozen over
the sun will set in the east
the moon will turn blood red
witches will cast spells backwards and
the undead will rise again to walk the earth
That, is what will happen if they do that against the JESTS tomorrow.
interesting.
no reason to watch the game then?
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I had a lot of skepticism and then the friggin Redskins game sucked me in again. It was not a gimmicky win via umpteen takeaway game. Just straight up domination........I said I don't know how, but this actually is a good team.
!@#$!!
what if they do that against the jets tomorrow?
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I know that we can complain about Ralph Wilson, and him being cheap, and how bad we are and on and on.
That's not my point.
My point is, every Sunday during football season, no matter what, I wake up and the Bills are playing football.
It's like Christmas morning. It's too good to be true when CBS starts playing their intro song, the NFL shield pans across the screen, and it cuts to the Ralph. Bills in their home blues, and all is right in the world.
I still get excited for games. Ill tune in this weekend, and between 12:55pm and 1:05pm, all is right with the world, and I'll be giddy with optimism.
Ill be thinking, maybe we really will steal a wild card spot.
Then, yeah, of course we'll lose. Badly, at that. And ill be frustrated, and tell my wife we never need to watch a game again because theyll always be the buffalo bills and theyll always be bad.
But I am happy to have that team as a part of my life, and I am thankful that I get this experience.
Ralph isn't forcing any of us to be fans, I'm just thankful that he has given us the opportunity to do so!
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Los Angeles. San Antonio. San Jose. Austin. Columbus. Fort Worth. El Paso. Nashville. Louisville. Portland. Los Vegas. Oklahoma City. Albuquerque. Tuscon. Fresno. Sacramento. Long Beach. Mesa. Virginia Beach. Colorado Springs. Omaha. Raleigh. Tulsa. Wichita. Bakersfield. Honolulu. Anaheim. Aurora. Santa Ana. Corpus Christi. Riverside. Lexington. Anchorage. Stockton. Toledo. Saint Paul. Greensboro.
All American cities with a greater population than Buffalo, New York.
I'm sure you can pick 10 cities on that list that could support an NFL team. That would have fans show up every Sunday to cheer on their squad.
And we, the fans of the Bills, have had the privilege to watch our team represent our city for 52 years.
52 years!
In that time, in the NFL:
The Chicago Cardinals moved to St. Louis.
The Los Angeles Chargers moved to San Diego.
The Dallas Texans moved to Kansas City.
The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles.
The Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis.
The St. Louis Cardinals, already moved from Chicago, left for Phoenix Arizona.
The Los Angeles Raiders moved back to Oakland.
The Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore.
The Houston Oilers moved to Tennessee.
And through it all, every Sunday, the Bills have taken the field to represent Buffalo New York - the 70th largest city in America.
We're free falling out of wild card contention. We're injured, to the point of it being more saddening than frustrating. I feel bad for the guys - they were the media darlings, now, they're just lovable losers again.
But we're still the Buffalo Bills. And this April, we still have a draft to watch, and a new schedule to start analyzing and predicting our record. And there will always be optimism in August, from even the most jaded fans. And for another year, we'll have the Buffalo Bills to argue about on here, and to watch with our friends and families on Sunday. And yeah, we're still losers, but it'll still be fun. Just like it was this year, and these last 12 years we haven't made the playoffs. It's always been fun.
So, try to enjoy the last 6 weeks of the season. Who knows, maybe this is the miracle year of all miracle years. Maybe we catch lightening in a bottle for the next 10 games and win the Super Bowl.
But even if we don't, I'm thankful that we all have this team to represent our city, and be passionate about.
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Let's be completely honest. If Trent Edwards hadn't been born, Fitzpatrick would still be backing someone up.
terrible post.
if drew bledsoe hadn't fallen on a football, the patriots would be mediocre and tom brady would be a phys ed teacher in california.
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Happy Thanksgiving.
Just wanted to distract everyone from the doom and gloom of our sinking ship, and be part of the orchestra playing on the deck of the titanic as it plunges into the ice cold water.
Had a thought last night about how the NFL could improve it's Monday Night Footabll scheduling to get people watching again.
I can recall back in the 90s, EVERY team was guaranteed a prime time game, no matter how bad their record from the previous year. I think it's time for MNF to bring that back, with a caveat - every MNF becomes an inter-conference matchup. 32 teams in the league, 16 weeks of MNF, it couldn't be more perfect.
Inspired by today's packers-lions matchup: I don't care HOW good an NFC-NFC game is, i really could care less about watching it, or even the outcome of the game. Furthermore, a game between the chiefs and the broncos may be compelling, and it's even within the AFC, but still, more often than not, a divisional game usually only affects the division race, and it's impact on the wild card race is negligible.
So why not have EVERY mnf game be an AFC NFC game? Just this year alone, I would watch
obviously the Bills
the jets
the patriots
the bengals
the titans
possibly the ravens or the steelers
that's fully SIX more MNF games than i'm going to watch as it is.
Thoughts?
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After this thursday, it's christmas time.
the tree goes up, the decorations come out, the snow starts hitting the ground, and guess what?
6 weeks left in this roller coaster year in the NFL, and our buffalo bills are not only a game back from the wild card, but still in play for the division crown.
You think it's gonna take 11 wins to get the 6 seed? You think the rest of the AFC is that much better than us?
Tell that to the 6-4 bengals, losers of 2 in a row, fading fast, and likely to be without AJ Green again this weekend, Dalton's only real target.
Tell that to the 5-5 jets, who right now are ready to fire rex and ship sanchez out of town for a 7th rounder.
Tell that to the titans, 5-5, losers of 4 of their last 6.
It's the mark of middling teams in a conference to have more holes in their roster than pro-bowlers, more questions than answers, and as a bills fan, we're right in the thick of it.
The difference? we're rebuilding, those other teams have peaked.
We have fred jackson, we have stevie johnson, we have fitz.
WHO KNOWS what the next 6 weeks hold for us. Hell, from where I'm sitting, looks like 4 more wins gets ANY of those teams in.
So, do you like our odds?
can we beat the titans at home? i say yes.
can we beat the dolphins at home? again, i say yes.
so thats 2 wins, maybe 2 more gets us in the playoffs.
2 wins out of games at the jets, at the chargers, hosting the broncos and at new england?
if we beat the jets this weekend, suddenly our playoff chances start looking real, real good.
i wonder if seattle fans were pissed when they got in at 7-9 and upset the defending super bowl champions in their house?
stop worrying about ralphs checking account.
stop worrying about if nix has a plan.
stop worrying about firing gaily.
stop worrying about voiding fitzs contract.
is my head up my ass? yeah, definitely. but i don't care. it's winter time, and EVEN IF WE LOSE THIS WEEK, we're playing meaningful football in december.
you gave up? well, im sorry to hear that. me? im counting down the hours til sunday.
a nation counting us out, vegas counting us out, espn analysts counting us out.
feels like an upset brewing to me.
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What the hell are you talking about?? You're comparing Kurt Warner's Twitter comment to Favre's megalomaniac dig at Rodgers? Those two aren't just apples and oranges, they're apples and razor blades. Warner is a genuine guy and is being complimentary, thus the "so happy 4 him" comment. Favre, on the other hand, is a bitter turd. See the difference?
kurt warner said, "Kurt Warner (@kurt13warner): Wow, @TimTebow does it again! So happy 4 him, no idea how he does it, but I remember when ppl said the same about me!"
if you can't feel the absolute envy coming through that post for the 24/7 love timmy t is getting for beeing BFFs with jesus christ, you've probably never known an athlete that's done anything above the high school level.
real world equivalents -
you sit down at your in-laws table for thanksgiving.
"this turkey is amazing. just as good as when i make it at home."
you're driving with your wife.
"good job parking the car honey. you did as good of a job as when i do it."
your coworker gets a promotion for work he did on a 6 month long project.
"nice job mark. you handled that last presentation as well as the one i gave last quarter."
step out of the hero-worshipping shoes. athletes are pampered d*cks that have been told they are kings of the world since junior high school. it is amusing when sites like twitter break down those walls, and give a look into the actual persona of people like kurt warner, instead of the image of his wife clutching the bible on the sideline praying for her husband to throw a touchdown so he doesn't have to go back to bagging groceries at safe way.
he probably beats her too
GO BILLS!
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Kurt Warner (@kurt13warner): Wow, @TimTebow does it again! So happy 4 him, no idea how he does it, but I remember when ppl said the same about me! Phil 4:13 #fb
former athletes, no matter what race, creed, or sex just can't stand someone else replacing them in any way whatsoever.
i hate those little digs they always manage to get in.
"honestly, im surprised aaron rodgers didnt win a super bowl sooner."
life moves on old man, the world keeps spinning kurt. you're not the first professional athlete to believe in jesus, and timmy t won't be the last.
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This is so much more fun than last year.
this x a million.
can't see it any other way as a bills fan.
we're far from perfect... hell, far from great.
but it's week 11, and we're in contention, in control of our own destiny.
there's work to be done... free agents to be signed.. players to be drafted.
but 5-4 with a look at a wild card > 1-8 looking towards the draft.
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i'm sorry man, i just never understood this line of thinking where being bad makes you better than being good.
if the bills are at 8-7 going into week 17, and a win over new england gets us a 6 seed and knocks them out of the playoffs, then yes,
as a life long buffalo bills fan, i am going to grit my teeth and... *gulp* cheer for the bills that day, even though it might give us the 20th pick in the draft, as opposed to the 18th or 19th, and significantly alter the talent base of the team, and the future of the franchise.
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lockout in 1998-1999 ruined basketball forever for me.
i went from thinking of those guys (specifically the knicks with starks, ewing and oakley) on the same level as the 90s bills, to not caring at all.
this current lockout is completely meaningless to me. it would be more exciting to see them cancel the season and watch the legal proceedings than to watch an nba basketball game.
playoff hockey is fun if buffalo is in, but then i start to feel like a bandwagon fan because i don't know any of the players and i only started watching in april.
baseball is the most godawful thing on this planet, completely boring and since hitting my 20s i've probably only watched an hour total.
golf was incredible when tiger was on top. id always watch a tournament on sunday if he was in contention.
meeting my *now* wife and getting married changed my sports viewing habits. i watch every bills game without question, but i don't even care about what happens in the nfc anymore. and i barely watch the playoffs til the conference championship. even then i just have it on in the background.
really, i don't even consider watching the bills a sport, it's a lifestyle.
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here comes week 11, with the bills a game back from the wild card.
lets talk about how we're in the luck sweep stakes now?
you guys are wild.
i live in new england, was here when bledsoe went down and brady took over.
pats fans were getting ready for the basketball season and the boston celtics, completely gave up on the pats.
look how that worked out for them.
it's the nfl, you never know.
not saying were going to make the playoffs, but i am saying this is a very winnable game this week.
we just had a very tough 2 game stretch - at home for maybe the hottest team in the afc, and on the road against a tough dallas team in a tough stadium.
dolphins looked like world beaters against the cheifs and redskins? guess what? so did we.
we're gonna f*ck them up this weekend in miami, get to 6-4 and get back into a wildcard slot.
then, next weekend, we're playing for the division lead.
so buckle up, 7 games left.
last year, 7 games left, bills were 1-8.
now, we're 5-4.
enjoy the ride.
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thought this was a joke thread.
i now realize this thread was made in seriousness.
staying away from here until next saturday.
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I agree about everything you say about Steve Christie, he was a great kicker. I just didn't understand the part about Christie having a higher percentage if he had the opportunity to attempt more kicks.
I also think Lindell has been more than adequate and he has made his share of kicks. It's not his fault he hasn't played in a lot of meaningful games.
As for the Tennessee game, Christie was awesome. But Lindell would have tackled Dyson and there would have been no Music City Miracle. That's my assumption.
It's kind of fun imagining things.
GO BILLS!!!
im not saying christie would have made more if he kicked more.
im only saying that ryan lindell has built an entire career out of making his kicks with absolutely no pressure on his shoulders (because the bills have always been out of playoff contention) whereas steve christie was kicking in important games every week of his career.
here's a quote from an article on slate.com about shaq, and why he's terrible at shooting free throws:
3. Shaq makes free throws in practice. Why can't he make them in games? Everyone shoots a higher percentage in practice: Karl Malone, a career 76-percent free-throw shooter, doesn't end his warm-up until he sinks 30 in a row. Yet in 16 seasons Malone has never sunk 30 straight in league competition. The percentage you shoot while spending a relaxed 20 minutes at the line as an assistant tosses you the ball is no indication of what you'll shoot in the game.
thats lindell for you, in a nut shell. in his 8(?) seasons here, i dont think he's played in but 5 pressure packed games. bear with me here, because its 6:30 am where i'm at, and i just woke up, but let me think of the top 3 MEANINGFUL games lindell has kicked in here, with his stats from each:
clearly vs. pittsburgh week 17 in 2004 with the playoffs on the line:
1/2 on field goals
next one that comes to mind, is hosting dallas on monday night. no real playoff implications per se, but edwards had just taken over as a starter, the national eyes were on us, and that place was rocking that night. HUGE game.
1/2 on field goals
the following year, hosting the browns on monday night. again, another huge game, this one with playoff implications. a win would have put us at 6-4 and in control of our own destiny.
2/3 on field goals - missed the game winner
those are, in my opinion, the only truly meaningful games we've played in the last 8 years. by meaningful i mean a combination of a loss ends our season (for all intents and purposes,) a win could solidify us as a solid team, there is national media attention, a top broadcasting team in the booth, etc. etc. etc. essentially, no margin for error.
in those situations, lindell is a 4/7, 57% kicker.
steve christie kicked in those situations his entire career!
lindell has been riding a train of low expectations, no pressure-games, "if you can give us 3 points here that would be great."
whenever we've actually NEEDED him over the past EIGHT years (sadly, only 3 times,) he's been about a 50-50 gamble.
we'll be FINE without him. if we drop to 5-8, and those last 3 games are for draft position? you can count on lindell drilling a few 30 yarders if he comes back healthy. but if those last games see us at 8-5 and fighting for a 6 seed? ill stick with rayner, please and thanks.
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Why would Steve Christie have a higher lifetime FG percentage simply because he attempted more kicks? You're assuming he would have made all those extra kicks. There's also the possibility that more attempts could have resulted in more misses or at least the same percentage of misses.
GO BILLS!!!
lindell sucks.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008111700/2008/REG11/browns@bills#tab=recap
thats my assumption.
steve christie was the man.
lndell has never drilled a high pressure kick in his tenure here.
christie used to play in meaningful games.
let's all hear it for ryan lindell - champion of 20 yard kicks against the pats, when we trail by 3 touchdowns in the 4th.
like i said above - guy has played in 1, ONE pressure cooker game, and blew it.
here are steve christie's lifetime stats - made 100% of his kick in tennessee to put us ahead of the titans 16-15 in a wildcard game that should have sent us to the super bowl. lindell would have shanked that thing into the 3rd row, at the 15 yard line!
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Half the comments on here degrading Lindell are idiotic. He has the highest percentage of made field goals in the history of Bills kickers. Thye complain that he can't kick it out of the end zone when the Bills deliberately kick it high and short to the corner to make the return men take it out, and this season following this strategy they have tackled the return man inside the 20 repeatedly.
The guy thy are replacing him with has made only 73% of his field goals in his career, these fans want the Bills to put Lindell on IR? I just hope we don't get in situations depending on this guy to win games for us.
if steve christie palyed his entire career with a team that had an absolutely vanilla offense, rarely put the ball in for 6, and when lucky enough to cross mid-field, stalled out at around the 20-30 yard line, he would be right there too.
i dont have the time, energy or enthusiasm to look it up, but im sure the red zone points scored by the bills in the years christie was our kicker are inversely proportional to the amount we've scored with lindell as kicker.
he's padded his stats for years with 25 yard gimmies under coaches that have no balls and qbs that have no skills.
only pressure games i can remember lindel EVER playing in was 1 - against the browns on monday night in 08. how'd that go?
guys a choke job/one trick pony.
ill miss him as much as i miss lee evans.
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i don't care at all.
never really liked lindell, never felt confident when he came out for kicks longer than 35 yards. also, he cant kick it out of the back of the endzone.
call me crazy, but any player that was around during the last 10 years that was a major contributor that gets released/injured, i get kind of excited to see what their replacement can do.
now, if johnson, jackson, or fitz went on IR? i'd be planning some hikes and ski trips with my wife on sundays.
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i'm not sure if all teams' message boards are the same, but the shoutbox on sundays is filled with the most excruciating characters in the world. outside of perhaps the KC game and maybe the redskins game, we have (according to the shoutbox chicken littles) been woefully outclassed and shown to be completely inept at some point during every game. it's blind luck if we win.
teams can make mistakes and have bad games without calling for everyone's head. if it were left up to some posters, the whole team would have been, cut, traded, or vaporized by now. any incompletion on 3rd down is grounds for a wholesale change in personnel and coaching, and any loss requires planning for the draft next year.
there is plenty to criticize about every team in the nfl. even the almighty packers. but the relentless barrage of hysterical, hair-pulling, cloth-rending frothing that takes place here is bizarre. i'm not a big proponent of pills or shrinks, but some posters ought to consider seeking assistance.
this quote perfectly sums up my experience on this board. i couldn't agree more.
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The Bills have shown very good progress the first half of the season. The playoffs are about winning in November. Any repeat of what you saw on Sunday and the Playoff talk will end very quickly.
see, this is where the old school NFL fan needs to come to grips with the modern-day reality of the NFL.
any team can win any week of the season.
we could get blown out by dallas, blown out by the dolphins, and blown out by the jets to sit at 5-6, and then win 5 in a row to make the playoffs.
i know the word "parity" gets thrown around in every thread, every article, every discussion, but the fact of the matter is - unless you're a bengals or ravens fan right now, in the american football conference, your team has just as many IF NOT MORE losses than the buffalo bills.
and here's the thing - half the teams are going to lose AGAIN this weekend.
we might be one of them, we might not.
but until we are MATHEMATICALLY eliminated from the playoffs, we have just as good of a chance of making it as anyone else.
so, even if we lay another egg in dallas (which we might,) you're going to give up on the season with a road game against the lowly fins next up on the docket?
come on man, have some faith. enjoy the season. it's a grind. but know this - one of the patriots and the jets is going to lose next week. so all the doom and gloom - "our season is over if we lose next week" talk? well its a CERTAINTY that one of those superior-god-smiles-on-them-every-week teams is going to be right there at 5-4.
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well - luckily, the playoffs don't start right now. there are still 8 weeks.
1 team is coming out of the west - no wild card.
1 team is coming out of the south - no wild card.
cincy still has to play pit and bal 2 times each, so they will probably be in th 7-8-9 win range.
either baltimore or pit wins that division, with the other one getting a wild card.
that leaves the east: buffalo/new england/new york jets. 2 coming out, one as division champion, one as a wild card. we got the fins 2 times, dallas, denver, tennessee. it's gonna be close, but we can absolutely do it, and 10-6 can get it done.
jets and pats have just as many weaknesses as us. we beat the pats. jets? well, they had 2 weeks to prepare for a divisional game against us. of course they shut us down on offense. gaily will beat them in the rematch, and even if he doesn't we can definitely get in over the golden boy and his patsies.
have some faith. more importantly, have some fun.
that week 17 game against new england could be for a wild card, which is just as good as the playoffs, really.
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no, its either sh*t stained or rose colored glasses my friend