clearwater cadet
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They knew they were getting a new stadium and the tax payor were going to fund it when they bought the time. It why they paid so much. This is smoke and mirrors, it was all part of the deal.
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What ever happened to Manny Lawson?
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That's just dumb
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Does team value include the stadium, the Erie County owns the stadium not the bills, I'm assuming the the cowboys, Rams, etc own there own stadiums so if you purchase them you would be buying the stadium as well?
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Just once is all I want. Please god please.
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3 hours ago, 17islongenough said:
Had no idea this guy was on the team. I wonder why they cut him before camp starts
He wasn't vaccinated
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29 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:
I see Southern Ontario often used to justify having a great market, but there are issues with that. First of all, it’s in another country, making some logistics and financial stuff complicated. Secondly, I’d like to know how much Ontario’s growth has increased interest in American Football. Ontario’s rapid growth consists of people from across the globe. I’m not convinced they’ve all warmed up to football yet.
Totally agree, but the NFL is all about market size for TV contracts, I had read the biggest problem with Bills and Southern Ontario is that although there is 12 million in Southern Ontario which from a distance point of view would normally be part of the Bills market, but the bills can not count that as part of there market because the Canadian Broadcast System has the right show what ever game they want, making southern Ontario not counted as part of the going TV deals. Not sure if this is true, but make sense.
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8 hours ago, JMF2006 said:
I think it was $450m or $500m which does not seem like much until you add that and the NFL's relocation money together and get almost $1b.
That narrowed the field to 3 serious buyers which was really only 2 as Trumps offer was a low ball fire sale number.
Even the Ted Rodgers/JBJ consortiums offer was low.
you are right I did look at it again it started in 2013 and runs thru 2023, with damages for relocation of 400,000,000 except for year 7 which was 28,000,000. The Toronto series ran from this 2008 to 2012, was suppose to run to 2013, Ted Roger dies Dec 2008 after they started the series. I still believe the Bills and WNY would not have made it to the 2013 lease if Roger was alive at that time. Once he died the whole Toronto thing lost a lot of steam. With out Rogers around to push the issue the series was a failure and ended early knowing the Rogers family would not have the ability to ultimately acquire the team. But going back to what I thought before, Ralph really didn't do anything to prevent a possible relocation to Toronto or anywhere, once Rogers passed, Ralph's plan A went up in smoke and we he was stuck looking for a new ownership, but he made sure there was a easy out in year 7 just so relocation was still a possibility. I'm just glad to work out for us.
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8 hours ago, JMF2006 said:
I think it was $450m or $500m which does not seem like much until you add that and the NFL's relocation money together and get almost $1b.
That narrowed the field to 3 serious buyers which was really only 2 as Trumps offer was a low ball fire sale number.
Even the Ted Rodgers/JBJ consortiums offer was low.
I looked it up last night in was 28,000,000. in the seventh year of the current lease. Chump change to these owner.
20 hours ago, Wacka said:Both
I wish the Pats would have gone under!
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8 hours ago, JMF2006 said:
I have seen lots of positive posts about Ralph.
We the fans have Ralph to thank for inserting the "Poison Pill" in the lease deal which made it prohibitively expensive to relocate this franchise after the sale in case of an outside buyer obtaining control.
Plus Ralphs legacy lives on in Buffalo with his charitable foundation .
Ralph was like the guy with the 2m house working a 65k per year job....enough money to get by but not truly rich until he sells.
What was the poison pill in the lease deal? I remember it slightly, but I don't remember being such a big amount that it would deter anyone with the ability to buy a team for moving them thou?
4 hours ago, May Day 10 said:Wilson didnt insert the NRA fee amount. That side of the negotiation would be pressed by the county. That would be like negotiating for higher rates on your car. The Bills ask for money, the County/State demands more assurance. What happened, was Wilson passed before the paint was dry on the renovations, creating a daunting lame duck period for an out-of-town owner, or a pricey buyout to be combined with relocation fees, new facility, and purchase price.
The most important factor in the Bills remaining in Buffalo is/was the existence of Terry Pegula and his financial situation.
Wilson always said the Bills would be sold to the highest bidder, and that they were. The perfect storm of the timing of his death created an ideal situation that didnt make this thing overly appealing for out-of-town bidders. Had he passed away in 2008, 2011, or 2020, it would have been a much different story. Without Pegula, who knows?
Wilson never moved the team, and good on him. I do think over the years he was wasnt wired to make a huge splash and up-front financial commitment it would take to relocate an NFL team. Instead of dealing with a brand new stadium and forking over relocation fees, he seemed content to just collect his yearly profit and watch the team value increase steadily.
Ted Rogers passing had a lot to do with it as well.
5 hours ago, Wacka said:He was the biggest donor to WNY Hospice. His foundation is paying for the redoing LaSalle Park on the waterfront. Also bailed out the *Patriots when they almost went under in the early 60s.
Think it was the Raiders not the Pats?
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5 hours ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:
Except that he literally set things up to ensure the team would not be easily moved from Buffalo. So your 'belief' appears to be completely unfounded.
It's called negotiating. He was
Its been a long time, but I don't remember him setting anything up to prevent the team from being moved, at least when they started the Toronto series. I remember a penalty for breaking the lease with county, but it was nothing significant. I really don't remember anything in which he went out of his way to keep the team in WNY. I'm sure he was a good person and good business man, I just don't think he was good owner. I alway thought as fan we deserved better.
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9 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:
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I don’t know of anyone here who’s old enough to personally know the history of the team, that doesn’t appreciate Ralphs’ commitment to WNY. But the warts are plenty.
*Routinely threatened to move the team
*Consistent meddling in the team operation with disastrous results
*Put friends in high places with little to no experience-including Head Coach!
*Notoriously cheap in contract negotiations
Ralph, more than any one person, was singularly responsible for at least 30 years of terrible, often embarrassing football. At the root of it all, he wanted to own the Lions. (See our original uniforms) Under the gun to name a host city by Lamar Hunt, his Miami preference fell through and we were his default position. He never called Buffalo home and never wanted to. Yes, he was charitable. He was instrumental ($$) in keeping the AFL afloat. He brought us The Bills! He made sure the team would stay here following his death. For these actions alone, he’s a positive part of the WNY story. But the ‘Good’ legacy ends there.
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I agree with you, but I believe he was planning to sell the team to Ted Rodgers and move them to Toronto at the time of his death, the only thing that stopped that is Ted died before Ralph at a much younger age. I don't miss Ralph either and this constant reminders of the competitive disadvantage that come with owning a team in WNY.
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Maybin should have been a TE!
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who said he can't get it right? Say it, Say it
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28 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Freddy Jackson? Never heard of him.Did he used to play with the Panthers?
you know Fred, everyone knows Freddy. They should retire 22 because of him.
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2 hours ago, wppete said:
I think I'm in love.
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3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Breida has some tough shoes to fill with #22.....that was the great Reggie Bush’s number.
I still can’t believe that at the Bills have had Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart and Vince Young on our team.
Forget Reggie, Freddy Jackson, one of the best Bills ever.
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Bills are a pass first team, I think going to be hard for any back to be effective unless it short yardage or pass catching out of the backfield and josh doesn't seem like a guy willing to check down a lot.
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I guess there done pushing Waston agenda, so they to look for someone else to market now.
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8 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:
DT Kawann Short
Reasons to get him:
Was one of the elite DTs a few years ago (on par with Allan Donald - they both had 11 sacks one year).
Has not played the last two years due to rotator cuff injuries - so actually has less miles on his body than his peers.
Great familiarity with McD and Beane.
Is one of the few compete DTs - can do it all - pass rush, run stop etc.
Has had a ton of success playing alongside Star Lotuleilei.
Can be a nice role model for Ed Oliver to emulate.
With the FA pot of gold drying up for a lot of teams - he will likely be available for less than 5 mill per year.
Familiarity with Eric Washington.
Reason not to get him:
Age.
Obada has filled in for him decently - so Beane might think there would be duplication with Obada also being on the roster.
Money is better spent on an edge rusher.
I thought Obada is a DE, and Short is a DT, I'm not really sure, I'm just asking?
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Doesn't williams get 10 now?, why not give in 12 to keep him?
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I like to open against the Jets.
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5 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
the defensive gameplan was just all wrong. I suspect they would have done things much differently in hindsight.Strike first, strike hard, no mercy!
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Beasley and McKenzie are now subject to more enhanced Discipline.
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