A Dog Named Kelso
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practice is where each QB was asked to make the right decision where to go with the ball.. mistakes were corrected in the film room.. away from the media.
maybe the experts now regret not asking Rex or Roman how far EJ was from where they wanted him.. they wouldn't be looking as clueless now, if they had.
Actually if they just listened to Rex the entire camp they would know. He has said that all three were doing well on several occasions. They decided to ignore that because well ... he was in the dog house last year.
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Stat of the day:
Of the 28 QBs with 30 or more attempts this preseason, E.J ranks first in QBR at 146.9 and Tyrod is number 4 (98.3)...
But practice!
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Good thing there is nothing EJ can do to get the start for week 1. lol
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Maybe we shouldn't try to chase away everybody who actually have a reputation.
Its a sad state if someone feels chased away and defensive because someone people ask question about their writing. There is nothing wrong with JW tweet what he did as long as he states it as opinion. I really do not understand the need to to hide opinions and state them as fact and then defend them as if they are.
Introspection is what is required when questions are raised about a work productt running away or getting defensive. I get questioned all the time at my place of employment, sometimes I may have made an error, I discuss the matter, do what it takes to remedy the issue for the inquisitor and then move on.
I know we all hate to admit it but knowing everything and always being correct is a rarity I think few of us actually obtain.
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i believe i've already answered this question.
jw
odd, when he was asked if his days were numbered, he provided that response, which included the phrase "somewhere else."
not sure how this is fabricated, as this is what he said to a direct question. and having never said "somewhere else" before, this was an indication that he was finally wondering whether his days in Buffalo were, in fact, numbered.
also, it seems that EJ didn't take any issue with how this story was written, and how he was quoted, when i finally had a chance to meet with him again in the locker room yesterday.
seems odd -- and/or predictable -- that you're pounding this drum without any perspective of what was said. but please, proceed in this fascinating exchange of what you think you know as opposed to what you don't.
jw
I am not sure that asking a leading question then him parroting that back in part of his statement is him "seeing the writing on the wall"; especially, when his first statement was that he hadn't. Does he now that the press planted a seed, perhaps, but that is a little tail wagging the dog isn't it?
Asked if he's considered the possibility of playing somewhere else, Manuel gave a mixed response.
"I haven't..."
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A lot of posters are talking about the 2 minute offensive skills of EJ and the play style of Cassel. I only post this because it is him(Cassel) playing the Bills in that situation. It the captions are interesting:
Its been 6 years and I am sure he has learned much I just found it interesting.
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Right, so isn't having to prepare for 2 Qbs an advantage over having to prepare for 1? Especially since they have two completely different styles.
The context of the my statements are in response to Metz' revelation.
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So having a read option QB who can stretch the field versus a QB who likes to stay in the pocket and complete short throws and not knowing which QB you'll get isn't an advantage?
As I already said, whether EJ plays or not, they have to account regardless for that because of Tyrod.
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It's possible that because this is Roman's first time as an OC with complete autonomy (Harbaugh was an offensive coach of course) and this is Rex's first year on the Bills, AND the Bills have a whole bunch of new skill players that this Indy game will be one of the only times that what Rex is doing could have any distinct advantage, and that is why he is doing it.
Indy doesn't know what kind of offense we are really going to run outside of SF tape. We have never had a TE. Shady is a whole different kind of problem than Frank Gore. Harvin is a weapon that SF never had. So because it is the first game ever for this team, Indy has a myriad of problems preparing for us to begin with. Ones that even NE in week two will not have half as many. So the idea of the three different QBs and having to prepare for any of them could help in this game when it really wouldn't that much in others. At least in theory.
It's not going to make that big of a difference. But it can't hurt and might help.
I would say this is the advantage more than who is under center.
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That is true but it is like planning on what to wear and it might be 30 degrees and it might be 90.
Then you dress in layers
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yes - the margin of error is so small in the NFL. Any coach worth his salt is going to try to gain any edge he possibly can. Maybe it won't make a difference, but there is no use shrugging your shoulders and saying "I may as well tell them. Ho hum. All 3 suck anyway, amirite? I really like that Chuck Pagano. We both hate the Pats* so we need to stick together." That would be a Dick Jauron move.
I understand what you are saying but you game plan for 2 QBs at this point in time regardless. Cassel and Tyrod, EJ would fall between the two of them(from a game planning stand point). And if he is traded then the point is mute anyhow..
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Full stop. Delete...
lol true ... its just the complete falsehood of it all. Its like politician who says, "I never said that" .... look here is the video of you doing exactly that!
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Here is a quote from Rex early this year that seems to contradict the trail bait suggestions:
The new Bills coach emphasized both points in an interview with the Buffalo News. First, Ryan didn't seem too concerned about the fact Manuel hasn't found a lot of success through the first two years of his career.
"Let"s not just throw him out after two years," Ryan said. "Aaron Rodgers never took a snap for three years. So let's see where [Manuel's] going to be."
I am not saying it happening it is just completely different than what they have been saying. That seems to be where the press has gotten it wrong ... not listening to what they are saying and assuming they know what is going on.
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Sully is on Sirius, he said that Rex hasn't wanted EJ since "he saw him play in NY a couple years ago when he was throwing balls into the cheerleader".
He also laughed at Rex wanting be "ground and pound", that Shady is "a slightly better version of CJ Spiller" and that the Bills don't have the backs they need for Rex's system...
Said the Bills won't be able to throw downfield, so teams will stack the box and the Bills won't be able to run.
Added that the Offense idea seems confused - is that any surprise to anyone in NY that followed Rex?
Rex is a captive of his own myth - Harvin, Incognito, drafting guys from FL State that were part of a rape case, getting IK just to stick it to the Jets (mumbled something about IK sleeping with a girl, who's actually a guy)
There is actual video of Rex at the combine(I think) saying something completely different. That he loves EJ from what he saw when the Bills played against him. Sully is unreal.
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Go back and watch Rex talk about the first game as a HC and it won't seem that ridiculous. He used all kinds of exotic blitzes and stuff and credits himself for the win. It was a bunch of stuff that no one had tape on.
I am not saying that is the case here but I am not dismissing it either. Rex has done it before.
That is the truth with the whole game plan though ... unless you are planning a radical change to the offensive paradigm(i.e. not having a QB at all), I do not see how any of these three(as to which will play) is really a concern for an opposing defense. I mean that is terms of "messing" with their plans.
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they are all playing with the first team. The fact he is going first is irrelevant. If he was playing with the first team and the other two with the 2nd/third... That would be relevant. Keeping the option open that he could start with Indy is something that could not hurt. While its not his main intention I think it's an offshoot that as a defensive mind he knows could in fact help and could not hurt. IMO.
The 2-3 series he is "wasting" with EJ by not giving the time to the other two is greatly minimized by the fact that no starters are playing anyway besides the line and possibly TE.
I could see the mess with Indy argument if it was a week over week situation, but they have basically all summer to come up with plans to combat any or all of the three.
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Just got word this morning- coaches' minds already made up, starting Manuel is a charade mostly to mess with Indianapolis and/or to see if he has any trade value. He has no chance of starting on opening day. Take it to the bank. According to a pretty credible source, I'm pretty sure I know who is starting. Carry on.
Not questioning your source, but this argument seems pretty weak. Aren't these professional football teams? I am sure they are going to be prepared for any of the 3, regardless. To use this as an excuse to play EJ first seems juvenile and should really put Rex in a bad light as far as I am concerned.
Also, the trade value argument goes directly against Rex's claim they will probably keep all 3.
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What interests me here is seemingly selective reporter memory. Before the 2nd preseason game, reporters tried hard to get Rex to comment and commit to who would start the 3rd preseason game, and he refused. Reporters tried hard to get Rex to comment on whether EJ would get any more time with the 1s, and he likewise refused and commented on how EJ started the scrimmage, as if that were the same.
So if you remember those comments, it's hard not to think that something changed for Rex and/or his assistants in the 2nd preseason game, and decided them to give Manuel a shot to start a preseason game.
I don't buy this as the bottom line. A HC isn't about "giving a fair shot" to everybody, he's about winning. I think the bottom line is the following quote: "Nobody can say that nobody was given a fair shot here. EJ earned a shot at this. He played well in those two games".
Those who "don't want to read anything into this" emphasize the first sentence and read it as "oh, Rex is just being fair and giving EJ his turn, but it doesn't mean anything". I call shenanigans, Rex is running a professional sports franchise not the Freshman HS team. I think the key is the 2nd sentence - either Rex or his assistants saw something in the 2nd game that led them to change their minds and give EJ a chance to play behind the starting OL against someone else's D
I think it's fair to say that none of the three starters have really distanced themselves from the competition (Carucci's Point #3). Whether or not Rex really cares, it's hard to say - when we are missing so many starters still at RB and WR (McCoy, Watkins, Harvin, Woods), no one can really get that "tune up" with the starters, so is Rex just "rolling with it" and taking another look at his QBs since the traditional "tune up" function will be left in the shop no matter who starts?
One thing that still seems contradictory - pointing out that whether or not Rex admits it, the 3rd game is held to have a significant role for an NFL team's readiness and that a 3-way-shot doesn't give much opportunity, but then twice reiterating that it's really still a two man race between Cassel and Taylor (in his view).
If it's really a two man race, why would Rex dilute the opportunity of the real candidates with whatever reps he gives to EJ?
Look, I haven't been at the practices. Some who have, have said that EJM has looked to be the 3rd best QB all training camp. There have also been assessments (# completions, whether something was an outright bad throw or a miscue) that have differed between some of our respected posters and the media at times, leading to the suggestion that the media seems to have gotten its teeth into a story (1st round draft pick with great work ethic and personality tragically flawed and worth cat-doot in the NFL) and run with it. Maybe EJM is out of it.
But I see something a bit misleading in this:
"Will Manuel be running the first-team offense? Yes. Will that group include LeSean McCoy, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods or Percy Harvin? Nope."
This sounds like the other two QB might get something EJM doesn't (the stars). Otherwise why not say "Will that group, for any of the QB, include..." or "will the game include..." to make it clear those guys just won't be suiting up.
And I see flawed logic in this:
"In reality, the only difference between Manuel running the second-team and third-team offenses (as he did in the first two preseason games) and the first-team offense (as he will Saturday) will be his offensive line. Manuel will have the starting line in front of him, which is a major upgrade from the Bills' shaky second unit up front."
Leaving aside whether I think any of the other players starting with the 1st may be an upgrade, Rodak and others want to use EJM running the 2nds and 3rds as evidence that he's not in the race. Fair enough, but you then can't use "minimal difference between the 2nds and 3rds" as evidence that starting the game with the 1sts doesn't matter.
Good post!
But stop with the logic ... it isn't helping those reporter arguments.
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That was not the headline of the story that moved on the AP wire.
These were the only two headlines that moved:
the short one: Manuel confident he can succeed in Buffalo or somewhere else
and the extended one: Slipping in QB competition, Manuel confident he can succeed in Buffalo or 'somewhere else'
again, he was asked a question and he responded.
rather than rush out with a story based on his initial comment "somewhere else," he was asked a follow up question and provided a mixed response, which was fully quoted in the story.
it seems that you are attempting to manufacture something with this ambitiously worded post.
jw
While not the title of the article it was the message in your tweet.
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The description of our QBs means nothing. Where they came from means nothing. Whether they are backups or journeymen means nothing. What matters is how they perform. Anyone remember Jim Plunkett? Traded by the Pats, released by the Niners, became Oakland's starter at age 33 and won two Super Bowls.
I agree with you; however, If you look at arguments against EJ these posters certainly did use what came before as fodder for there reasoning, but failed to use the same reasoning when anointing their "choice"
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There were definitely people on this board saying that EJ should be the starter week 1. In fact there is an entire thread about it. It's right over here - http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/180187-why-ej-manuel-should-start-in-week-1/
Yes ... I realize that but there was a middle group of posters ... and that thread came afterward. And I thought, according to some of the post it was started in jest.
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I get what you are saying because it kind of irked me when he said "not many teams are in as bad of quarterback situation as the Buffalo Bills".
But when I try to look at it from his perspective, I get why he would think that way and probably why a lot of the league looks at Buffalo the same way.
From an outsider's perspective here is what we have:
One quarterback that has bounced around from team to team because he is not good enough to solidify a starting position on any of them for any length of time.
One quarterback who got benched after 4 games of mediocrity at best following a lackluster rookie season.
One quarterback who looked okay coming out of college but sat the bench as a number two and doesn't have any real regular season playing time in the NFL.
I know we get to see things closer up than that as Bills fans, which allows us to see bright spots where other people don't. But I can totally see (from an outsider's perspective) how the Buffalo Bills situation at quarterback looks pretty pathetic.
In fact, unless you are a Bills fan who pays attention to everything happening in practice and preseason, I don't see how you could ever possibly be optimistic about the Bills QB situation.
Which is why I find it so interesting that anyone has anointed "their choice" as better than the other candidates. It is amazing to me that anyone would be doing so.
People on this board suggested just what Rex is going to do on Saturday. Stating it is the prudent thing to do, no that EJ should be the starter week 1. The response them was "why give reps away" or "The starter of the 3rd pregame is basically the starter"(paraphrasing there). Now those same people are arguing its just a preseason game, they're shopping him or well there real ones are not really in there.
The process seems to be playing out reasonably and the coaches can now evaluate each player without the caveat of "yeah but he was only lighting up the 3s". I am really having a hard time understand statements like "What happens if EJ plays lights out and the other two don't". It shows that they want "their guy" and don't want one of the others.
Let process play out and hopefully who ever emerges is good enough to guide the team deep into the playoffs.
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CHAN GAILEY! .... come on Schoop.
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Schoop is so uncomfortable right now. The commercials are actually a welcome change from his backpedaling
Not sure he is back pedaling he is basically trying to make every effort to say its there is no reason for this to occur and give examples as to why. lol
QB after Pittsburgh
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I agree with this. I was impressed by both TT and EJ and would be ok with either starting. The only question is how will either play when game planned against Cassell is the only QB that did not have a scoring drive in a preseason game and really do not know how you overlook that when you are making a decision.