Thurman#1

No, they do count 3rd down attempts as failed, even if the team then goes for it on 4th down. 

I showed this on the thread, by counting every 3rd down attempt and comparing it to the game's final 3rd down conversion figures.

Have a great day. See you on the boards.

Rpcolosi,

I saw from your post that you are in Japan. So am I. Do you live here, or are you just visiting?

If you live near Tokyo, maybe we could get together and watch a game at Tokyo Sports Cafe in Roppongi. I don't know any Bills fans in Tokyo and my wife tolerates my fandom kindly, she even tries to ask questions, but she's Japanese and doesn't really ca...