_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Many years ago, AC Delco sold a product named "Liquid Tire Chain". Back then, almost all vehicles on the road were RWD, with a few 4WD's and the odd FWD Saab. Installing tire chains was very common. If you wanted to go, that's what you did. The Delco product came in a one-use spray can (actually, more of an extrusion than spray) that dispensed a very hydrophyllic, tarry, oozing substance. You would apply it to your drive wheels in a left-to-right ribbos across the tire tread surface. A spinning tire on ice produces heat, the ice or snow turns to water, and a tire will be happy to spin all day long on a layer of water. The "LTC" attracted water - which has it's own shear properties thanks to hydrogen bonding, van der Waal's forces etc. - and thus raised shear values between the tire and the underlying surface seperated by the water. Result - traction. It really worked. It was messy and pricey, so it wasn't around long. IIRC, it would last for a half our or so. 130554[/snapback] Pretty rubber tire go round maybe go through snow too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Pretty rubber tire go round maybe go through snow too? 131070[/snapback] Technology aside, 95% of making headway comes down a basic appreciation of inertia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Forget the studs altogether. Studs were needed once when snow tires weren't much better than all season's on ice. However, with the new compounds in snow tires studs are a detriment. You can't put them on until a certain date, you have to have them off on a certain date, they can be slippery on dry pavement, they make a lot of noise and by the third year most of the studs will be gone. If your going to get stuck, studs or not won't make a difference. It has more to do with the driver. Start down an icy hill at to fast a speed and studs won't stop you either. Start up a icy hill with no speed and studs or not you won't make it up the hill. As one poster said it's all about inertia. Go buy a good pair of winter tires and put them on the drive wheels at least, all four if you have money to spare. I've run snow tires only on the drive wheels for years with no problems as I never wanted to spend the extra for the other two wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Thank God this is not a question I have this year!!!! I love Buffalo but finnaly got out and see the light. Spent this last winter BBQ'ing instead of shoveling...GOTTA LOVE IT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet baboo Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 nokian 4 life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappy segwes Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Although not living in WNY anymore (couldn't handle the snow anymore), i have a suggestion to keep the backend from fishtailing. Quikrete has a product out there that you can pickup called "Tubesand". All it really is is sand in a weatherproof bag. Toss a couple of those in the trunk or bed of your truck, preferably as close to the wheels as possible, and the weight will significantly reduce the chances of fishtailing. You can get it at probably get it at any home improvement store. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Unstudded B.F. Goodrich Winter Slaloms all around for me. Just switched 'em over last week; the "performance" skins go back on next April. Had pretty good luck with them the last four winters, including more than a few trips up through "ski country" to Buffalo and back.... PIZ, if you're driving a FWD car (like my Grand Prix), you absolutely positively want to put snows on all four wheels. Four Winter Tires, Not TwoOne of the keys to that performance improvement was the fact that those vehicles were equipped with four winter tires, not just two. Because of the significant differences in traction between winter and all-season tires, it is imperative that they be installed on all four wheels. Otherwise, the two ends of your vehicle can experience different traction characteristics, resulting in potentially dangerous instability. That applies whether your vehicle has front-wheel drive, rear-wheel drive or all-wheel drive. We tend to think of traction only as the driving force that gets us moving, but tires develop traction in all directions. It is necessary for cornering and braking as well as driving. Putting winter tires on just two wheels upsets that balance of traction between the two ends of the vehicle and increases the potential for a skid to occur at the end with least traction. http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?c...=4020490&src=NA You're still down around St. Marys, right? Just stay off Boot Jack Hill and all will be well .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted November 24, 2004 Author Share Posted November 24, 2004 You're still down around St. Marys, right? Just stay off Boot Jack Hill and all will be well .... 131708[/snapback] Drive down and up it every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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