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8 hours ago, DCofNC said:
Taron Johnson is 1 uncalled PI from costing the Bills 3 games on the same route this year, so I’ll say no to him this year.
Ed O had a breakout year, but even so, it’s not like he jumped off the screen at people, nor got a lot of attention from the broadcasters so it’s no surprise he didn’t get the vote.
Allen.. well, by the standards he set, he didn’t have a great year. He scored a lot, but you can’t ignore the fact the Bills are in a do or die situation because of him being flat out awful against teams he’s expected to beat. He hasn’t even been great in the do or die games. I’m not shocked he didn’t get the nod. Lamar is the leader of the best team in the AFC and he’s spectacular on highlights, votes are going to go there. People love Tua for some reason. Mahomes has actually played pretty well up until the last 3 weeks, I don’t know what you can do when your receivers can’t catch a cold.
At the end of it all, it’s a popularity contest.The bolded is exactly why Allen doesn't get the same treatment as Mahomes. Even some Bills fans are clouded by this. If Mahomes has actually played pretty well this year outside of the last 3 weeks and Allen has been awful, then why does Allen have a higher QBR and more total touchdowns (same passing and higher rushing TDs)? Also, lets not act like the Bills receivers don't drop a ton of passes for Allen either.
Allen is apparently held to a higher standard than Mahomes even though those that do this view Mahomes as better than Allen.
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4 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:
These things happen sometimes to every team, even the ones with the best Olines. I mean I don't see how you or anyone can deny the improvement of this Oline
I’m not saying it wasn’t improved. What I was responding to was the notion that the oline didn’t lose a game for us, which if it wasn’t for Allen’s maneuvering and throw, that may have been the game for us on that play and most likely the season.
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3 minutes ago, FireChans said:
They sent 6. Not many OL out there that can block 6 with 5 consistently.
They sent 6 with 5 blocking and there were 3 guys in Allen’s face before he could see his feet. So what happened to the other 2 blockers?
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
The oline isn't elite, for sure. But it has been much, much better. We haven't lost a single game this year where I would say the oline was one of the biggest contributory factors. Which given the last two years is a huge improvement.
Allen is a huge reason for why the oline hasn’t lost us a single game. Just this past game, they allowed a complete jailbreak and Allen had to make an amazing throw to get the first down and get us in field goal range to win the game. If it wasn’t for Allen’s throw, he would have been sacked for a 10 yard loss.
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24 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:
His WR group might be the worst of any contending team.
I get it, we hate Mahomes, mainly because the Bills haven't got him in the playoffs. But c'mon man, he's the best QB in the NFL by a mile.
A bit of a hyperbole? A mile? There are NFL players that think Allen is better than Mahomes. Those who play the game not just fans.
At their best, IMO, Allen is a step above Mahomes. Even some of Allen’s haters have agreed.
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4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
Death, taxes, and whatever you name is showing up to stalk me when I mention Allen.
Not sure how many you are bills fans or Allen groupies. I’ve consistently said he is a top 3 qb (but you didn’t say he was number 1 you jerk!). Sorry, I think Mahomes is better (2 MVPs, 2SBs, crazy I know) is better and the only place on earth this is a discussion is here. I think if their resumes were reversed, we think chiefs fans were idiotic for trying to compare to the 2 st this point.
i also believe there are qbs that this board love to criticize, for whatever the reason, like Cam and Lamar. Cam reminded me a lot of Allen. Elite physical skills and could dominate games single handedly. Cam did that on a pretty garbage Carolina offense. Allen is much more consistent and is making changes to his game to last longer.
and Lamar has similarities to Allen but isn’t on par as a passer (though he has absolute crap to throw to besides Edwards before this season). And it may look funny but dude just wins (during the regular season, needs to prove it in the playoffs still). But any time he messes up, this board loves trashing him.
so again, Allen is a top 3 qb; the bills are not as bad around him as others make it out to be and has a worst offense around him than Mahomes this year (that and the 2 SBs is why Mahomes doesn’t get “criticized” as much); and Mahomes is maybe one of the best qbs I have ever seen. My opinion is something 99% of other fans agree with besides the homers here. Josh Allen probably agrees with me and thinks you are weird for getting so emotional. 😭
Are we just making up reasons to get mad now? Whoever said that?
Not sure why that is so hard. And I would rather have Allen as a qb but Lamar wins his way.
bunch of soccer moms here
And he won the SB the same year they traded Hill and had JuJu as his number 1 receiver that insane.
The very video that is in the first post kind of refutes what you are saying that there is no debate outside of here on who is better. When Greenberg says, if Allen were to land with the Chiefs and Andy Reid, the roles would be reversed.
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35 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:
I mentioned in a separate post that McDermott was fired by Andy Reid in Philly for failing, and basically not wanting to make defensive adjustments when it was called for. According to the article I read, Philly fans were glad to see him go. Seems like he never learned.
I live in Philly and remember this well. He took over for Jim Johnson and his criticism was that he blitzed way too much and wasn't capable of making defensive adjustments as you state. This has been a staple issue for the defense this year that has left the DB's exposed causing several of the losses.
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24 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
56% completion and 82 passer rating is Superman? I guess love really is blind
You need to be at the game to understand how bad the conditions were and not to mention multiple dropped passes by the receivers. Some of the throws that Allen made were jaw-dropping (Diggs TD, throw to Davis on the sideline close to the endzone, Shakir down the sideline).
That was most definitely a Superman showing by Allen.
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13 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:
I’m as pessimistic as any Bills fan but I’m thinking there is no way this guy is hitting a 59 yard FG in the rain and wind on grass. I think the consensus is that Vinitari’s 45 yard FG in the snow to send the “tuck” game into OT is the greatest, most difficult clutch FG in history. After yesterday, it’s in second place.
Was at the game last night. Being in person and watching it on TV, you don't appreciate how bad the conditions are. It was a ricidulous kick. What is even more ridiculous though was taking a TO to ice him when we could have used it to drive for the winning FG in the event that he made it.
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12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
First time in a long time that I felt the Bills have no chance to win a regular season game.
Don’t understand this sentiment at all. The Bills have a chance to beat any team with Josh Allen at the helm.
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27 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Burrow has been very visibly hurt. Not too many media members are gonna crush a dude for his poor performance when he looks like he can barely play.
This is interesting considering Allen had a UCL injury to his throwing arm for half the season last year and got no pass from anyone. Even many Bills fans gave him no slack for it.
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Can’t believe people are actually blaming Allen for this loss or getting down on him. The INT was his fault but he is the one that kept them in the game and had the lead with less than 2 mins to go. Josh missed some throws but let’s not act like he wasn’t pressured all game.
The Patriots have one of if not worst offenses in the league and they went down and scored with ease with the game on the line.
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39 minutes ago, corta765 said:
NFL: Week 1 is classic overreaction 101 as fanbases like the 49ers, Bengals, and Rams are imploding while Giant fans and Texan fans feel better about where they are at now then 48 hrs ago. Realistically the first 4 weeks of an NFL season is fools gold and at max entertaining value. Last year the Chiefs started 2-2 and still ended up wining the division despite the Chargers beating them early on. The Pats were notorious slow starters with Brady where on the flip side the 2016 Rams starter 3-1 only to win one game the rest of the year. With all of that said there are some things that could be more true heading into the season like the Lions being an improved roster as they pushed the Eagles hard or the Titans finally showing some cracks after jettisoning a lot of talent. With that said on to the AFC:
AFC: If there is a prop bet that allows you to bet on Allen, Hebert, and Mahomes vs the field to rep the AFC I’d bet it hard for the next decade. These three teams are complete as they come across the board with freaks at QB who do incredibly fun and great things. Hebert still needs to prove he can perform in the playoffs (wasn’t his fault though they missed last year) but he is superb. If there was one takeaway watching the rest of the AFC it’s that there is those three teams/QBs and then the next tier #ReturnoftheAFL
BAL: One game in and all well for Ravens offense. Can’t believe they haven’t signed Lamar as that’s a big distraction if things go south, but they’ve done this before.
BUF: No blitzing and 7 sacks, the dream for McD and crew. The rematch with KC in the playoffs is coming this could be the big swing factor.
CLE: They played ok and kinda lucked out at the same time. At some point the QB situation will drag the roster away from being playoff able.
CIN: Joe Burrows last four games 5 TDs 6 INTs 299 ypg 24 sacks on 40 att. I think Joe Burrow is a superb QB with a great future assuming CIN doesn't destroy him. I also think yesterday was a bit of a wake up call he has room to grow and polish and last years SB was a lot of luck/early arrival for the Bengals. This loss will haunt them come end of year.
DEN: Play tonight and everyone is curious how Russ "Rides" in Denver. If he plays like he did the last few years DEN can work there way into that top 3 of BUF/KC/LAC.
HOU: They will be a bad team this year, but they are honest about themselves which should help in evaluating the talent they have and Lovie will have them compete where Sunday isn't a one time thing.
IND: Yikes. They have lost week 1 for a bunch of years now so I guess a tie is a slight improvement, but for a team that is was a popular preseason pick they can't have too many games like this.
JAX: Amazing what happens with competent coaching. Trevor had a decent game and the pieces are there for JAX to grow this year, but they need to protect him more for his true potential to come through (2 sacks 10 QB hits).
KC: If you really thought KC/Mahomes would struggle I get it but bad pick. They may be more dangerous on offense as they are more diversified weapon wise even without Tyreek.
LAC: One down ten to go. The talent and QB are there they need to just keep finishing the job unlike the prior years.
MIA: Tua was fine, you beat a team you should, and BB is sad. Even if you don't like MIA the last part is nice. Waddle and Hill had their moments, but it just feels like it will be moments when you watch Tua. Fun stat per NFL.com Tua is 4-0 vs NE and BB....weird
NE: BB sounded like Dick Jauron post game yesterday about two big plays swinging the game. Pretty jarring from a guy who demands perfection. Realty is finally hitting NE that they don't have the talent to complete even with the brain at coach.
NYJ: They may be rivals but it is getting to the point of hug your local Jet fan. They only lost by 14 just sounds awful. Even after an offseason that seems promising they still were cannon fodder yesterday. They need to really hope when Wilson returns the offense shows some true growth and promise.
PIT: Good for Mitch, bad for TJ. I really could see the Steelers challenging for a wild card spot... if TJ was healthy. Mitch was solid and the defense was relentless which is a fine formula, but Watt being potentially out for the year is the one difference maker they can't afford.
RAIDERS: Anddd that is why people won't put Carr in the elite of QBs. In a division as tight as the AFC West in a game that is against a division opponent 3 INTs will kill any team. The next four games are ARZ, at TEN, DEN, at KC. They need to go 2-2 to keep pace if they have any playoff hope.
TEN: On 21 attempts Derrick Henry average 3.9 ypc a year after his ypc went down to 4.3 from 5.4. At some point the tread on the tires starts to wear, the bigger issue is the loss of talent across the board that puts even more pressure on Henry to make plays. Yesterday was the kind of loss the catches a team when things get tight later in the year as Bills fans know too well.
NFC: Week 1 saw struggles out of more consistent performers like Rodgers and Stafford while less believed in QB's like Jalen Hurts ad Kirk Cousins had a superb day. Odds are Rodgers and Stafford rebound with their teams as part of the NFC elite, but if Hurts and Cousins can actually keep their play at the level it is at the NFC could be far more wide open then maybe thought at the start. With that said looking at the young stars at QB in the AFC vs the NFC you can see a stark contrast in talent. Justin Fields had a nice day considering the weather while Trey Lance struggled, but after those two you are left with Kyler Murray & Jalen Hurts if you buy his stock. Odds are the NFC will field 2-3 of the top teams in the draft which should bring some more young talent over, but it is damning how the NFC is still led by aged vets like Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, and Cousins to a lesser extent. Things change fast in the NFL and I am sure in 2 years it could be very different, but even if the NFC gets some new blood in the draft it will take a little time to build around those guys.
ARZ: There have been many questions on the true strength of the Cards defense and they were exposed badly yesterday. Blitzing against Mahomes is a major no no and they did that far too much.
ATL: Play an entertaining game? Check. Have a sizable lead fourth quarter? Check. Blow said lead because your coach didn't have the guts to go for it on 4th and 1? Check. Lose game which helps long term draft goal? Check
CAR: Baker had an atrocious start, but they got back in it and the offense showed a lot of life late. Gut wrenching way to lose on a FG 63 yds plus, but the schedule is light enough if the offense can actually stay healthy and competent to push at the playoffs.
CHI: Good for Justin Fields to get a nice win like that. I still think they are a year away as he needs a little more help, but that is certainly a confidence builder. The field on the other hand is why they are moving to Arlington.
DAL: It is like clock work, post playoff year key injuries hit and wreck the season. Even if Dak was healthy though they lack depth and it showed it big time before he went out against TB.
DET: I got to hand it to the Lions for not quitting when they went down 21-7 or 31-14, PHI was a tough matchup out of the gate but if they are to turn the proverbial corner you need to make true progress. Goff started slow but the offense has enough talent to make some noise late for a wildcard it is the defense that still needs a lot of help.
GB: Second year with a horrendous start for GB, but the questions are real about Adams being gone as rookie WR Christian Waston dropped an easy TD deep. I would expect GB to get off the mat, but I do not think they have nearly the easy road clinching a playoff birth as they have years prior.
LAR: Not the start many expected but the offensive line is in transition which limited Stafford's time to pass and get comfortable. They need to get that figured out if they want to make a run again. Thankfully the rest of the division loss so no harm.
MIN: Head coach Kevin O'Connell said he was going to put players in their best position to succeed and I'd say that went well opening week. The defense is not perfect by any means, but if they can support the high flying offense enough Minnesota can win the division and 11-12 games.
NYG: Good for Brian Daboll getting his first win and good for him going for 2pts. There are still far too many coaches that play the conservative risk adverse coaching style, I appreciate him going for 2. With Dak out maybe the Giants get a little lucky to make things interesting down the road especially if Barkley can stay healthy.
NOLA: Well they were down 26-10 heading into the fourth against a team expected to draft near the top... they also won 27-26. If they want to be a playoff team they have to be more consistent then what they showed.
PHI: Have a day Jalen Hurts who moved like an mongoose attack a Cobra. His passing at times is still a little questionable, but he is using his weapons and head coach Nick Sirreonis aggressive rushing attack really is fun to watch.
SEA: They play tonight and I for one am curious how Geno does. They strike me as a top 5 draft team, but Geno has two good WR's and a new LT. The big question is if the 12's boo Wilson?
SF: Holy over reaction. Lance had a tough day, but very very few QBs are having a great day in that monsoon. That locker room needs to keep blinders on the entire season otherwise the outside noise will wreck a potentially good team.
TB: The offense wasn't very crisp and Godwin may be out again, but Leonard Fournette looked reborn. More importantly the Bucs defense was sensational all game which will take pressure off the offense which is trying to figure out some changes up front on the line and no Gronk at TE.
WSH: Wentz might have had the least encouraging 4 TD 300 yd game ever as he had back to back INTs and almost another late. The talent is there where they could be a playoff team especially with Dallas looking down, but they just always seem to have questions even when things are good.
Watched the Chargers vs Raiders yesterday and Herbert made some very nice throws but he also threw a couple of bad ones. Also, lets not forget, the Raiders were in it until the end and could have won the game, even with Carr throwing 3 INTs and being sacked a bunch. Chargers should have blown out the Raiders but almost gave it up. Chargers and Herbert are a level beneath Allen/Bills and Mahomes/Chiefs.
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2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:
Its a team sport. Chargers defense was terrible. Herbert is a star already
Agree more like a 1969 Shelby Mustang Cobra. Speed and power
Herbert is a star and deserves a lot of love but at this point is a bit overrated by some (Schefter once said he was a sure-fire hall of famer). He has had a pretty stellar cast around him from the beginning and he hasn't been able to make the playoffs. His offense is also very friendly to him (a lot of dinks and dunks). I've watched a lot of Chargers games and his receivers also routinely make great plays for him (unbelievable catches) and he tends to pad his stats a bit in blowouts from both being behind and ahead.
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19 minutes ago, Evian said:
He has a Superbowl Ring. He has knocked the Bills out of the playoffs two years in a row
You want emojis. Here is one from him polishing his ring while watching you cry every year he knocks a Bills team with superior talent out of the playoffs. 😛
Burrow in year two might have as many Superbowl rings as Allen and Mahomes in their 9 years combined. Not sure there is much difference than the three because Burrow is a better decision maker than the other two.
I am not sure how you can say Burrow is a better decision maker than both Allen and Mahomes. Burrow didn't play particularly well yesterday either. He should have had not just 1 but 2 ints yesterday, which were both terrible throws or decisions.
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I put tight ends into 4 categories:
The do it all tight ends: the likes of Gronkowski, Waller and Kittle live here. Jason Witten in his prime too.
The modern tight ends (i.e. they are primarily mismatch weapons but they can block and are asked to by their scheme): Travis Kelce, Mark Andrews, Dalton Shultz
The blocking tight ends (i.e. guys who are really not there to catch the ball): Lee Smith, Blake Jarwin, Noah Gray etc
Big Slots (not really tight ends at all): Zach Ertz, Mike Gesicki, Hunter Henry etc.
I think Knox belongs in the "modern tight end" category but when I am ranking tight ends I am really looking at those first two groups.
Tyler Higbee needs to be included in your modern group. IMO, he is also better than Knox.
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9 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:
Disagree. During the entirety of the regular season it was absolutely a step back compared with the 2020 regular season. He was a legit MVP candidate in 2020 and received votes. He dropped off in nearly every metric in 2021 and, unsurprisingly, the Bills regular season record was significantly worse than 2020.
2020 - 4,544 yrds, 7.9avg, 69.2% completion, 37 td, 10 int, 76.6 QBR, 107.2 RT
2021- 4,407 yrds, 6.8avg, 63.3% completion, 36 td, 15 int, 60.6 QBR, 92.2 RT
The numbers don't lie.
Amazing postseason performance and something to build on. That being said, a better regular season performance (obviously not just him), and this team is home for the entirety of the playoffs.
You are only looking at numbers but not looking at the context behind those numbers. The numbers may show that Josh took a step back but IMO he actually didn't. He played in multiple bad weather/windy games and the offensive live was not nearly as good in 2021 as it was in 2020.
Josh's postseason was not just amazing, it was one for the ages. Its an extreme shame that he isn't playing this weekend to go to the Super Bowl. I think something clicked even more for Josh in the playoffs and we are seeing him playing at even a higher level. Next season, the NFL may see something from Josh that they won't be prepared for.
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11 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:
It’s a two minute video, so it’s short but sweet. Even the guy that picked Mahomes said that Allen has a higher ceiling, he just doesn’t do it as consistently.
Thoughts? Go Bills!
Edit - For some reason, it won’t let me direct link to the video. Click on the link below and then find the video called “Allen or Mahomes: who will Carry their team to the AFC championship game?”.
Foxworth who is the one that stated Josh's ceiling is higher was an Allen hater. He has seemed to come around and accepted the fact that he was wrong about Josh.
Graziani has been consistent that he believes its Josh's time and that Buffalo will win the Super Bowl this year because of Josh. I agree with him. I have thought that Josh is a top 3 player in this league. I now think he is bar none the best player in the NFL.
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1 hour ago, djp14150 said:
don’t buy it. Not at all.
Trubisky was drafted the prior year. Why does chicago acquire a vet QB ?
I could see Seattle considering a move of trading up and then moving Wilson after that season.
Allen split the scouts. I’m sure every team had sone that loved him and others were hell no …on the same team.
1 hour ago, JohnNord said:Ever since Josh appeared on the podcast last Spring I’ve been listening to 10 Questions with Kyle Brandt.
He had on Dan Patrick in his recent episode who talked about breaking news.
Patrick claimed that he had on good authority that Seattle tried to trade Russell Wilson to Chicago because they wanted to draft Josh Allen in the 2018 NFL draft. He said he didn’t break the news because he went with the info that Baker Mayfield was going to be the #1 pick.
This is interesting and I trust DP but I don’t know…on one hand, Chicago had the #8 pick that year. The Bills did want to trade up for Allen, initially higher than 7, so there must have been some competition. There were also Russ to Chicago rumors this past Spring as well.
On the other hand, Trubisky was coming off of his best season with Chicago. They surely couldn’t have invited turning the page already after trading up for him the season before?
It’s an scenario that I’m not 100% sure if but it really would be interesting if too, and also show that there was more competition to trade up for Josh behind-the-scenes.The topic starts are 64:00
I just listened to the clip and Patrick actually says that Seattle was going to trade Wilson to the Browns and take Josh Allen not Chicago. This would make more sense.
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1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said:
I think Allen may have passed Thurman for #1 on my list.
Same here. Watched Thurman growing up and would have never thought I would like someone more.
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14 hours ago, Dopey said:
Herbert: 32 Tds 12 Ints. 99.1 rating
Josh:. 31 Tds 13 Ints 95.9 rating
Both teams are 8-6
It's not a stretch to vote Herbert over Josh.
Unless, of course, you're a Bills homer.
I think if you look at what Josh has had to deal with (awful offensive line), Josh should have been voted in and probably deserves to start, instead of Herbert. Not to mention, Josh’s numbers are on par with Herbert’s when Josh has also sat out multiple 4th quarters due to blowouts where Herbert has had a chance to get some garbage time stats due to his team being blown out in at least 2 games that I can recall. Not saying Herbert doesn’t deserve to go to the pro bowl but he isn’t having a better season than Josh.
Also, your number for Josh on interceptions is wrong. Both him and Herbert have 12.
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6 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:
So 2016 was the year Brady missed 4 games. That would explain Ryan winning it at 11-5. But let’s remember best the Bills can do now is 11-6. There is no way he is passing both when both will be on better teams and have better numbers and one won the head to head.Josh is probably not winning it but if it were truly judged based upon importance to the team, I'm not sure there is someone who means more to their team than Josh. IMO, Josh is at a minimum a top 3 player in this league. The guy is unbelievable, especially with how terrible the O-line is. Watching that game yesterday, you have to be disgusted with the amount of time Brady had vs. what Josh was dealing with and Josh played better than Brady did.
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6 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:
So Allen's play was a "huge reason" the Bills lost? Where would you rate it in comparison to:
* Brieda's fumble?
* Knox dropping two first down passes in Patriot territory?
* Diggs dropping a TD pass?
* A missed short FG?
* The O-line's play?
* A defense that allowed a 65 yard TD run on 3rd & 5?
* RB's who didn't break tackles or hit the holes?
* Coaching
Allen wasn't perfect. I would give him a B+/A- considering the wind conditions. And sure if he had played at an A+ level and made that last throw we would have likely won the game. But IMO Allen wasn't in the top 10 reasons we lost that game.
Maybe I am in the minority here but for the conditions, Josh played a great game. Reading these comments, some people are acting like Josh was playing in a dome. There were so many drops and mistakes by others that you cannot put much blame on Josh. He missed a few throws but all QBs do, in every game, let alone ones where the wind was that much of a factor.
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4 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:
I have Brady, Taylor and a case could be made for Herbert as well.
Brady and Taylor, yes. Herbert no. I watch a lot of Herbert’s games (mainly because I have him and Josh as my FFL quarterbacks) and Herbert’s numbers are a bit inflated due to him getting garbage time stats in some blowouts where his team has no ***** at winning and the other team is just playing a prevent or backups.
What is hurting Josh a bit in the stats are that he has lost a good amount of playing time due to several blowouts.
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Josh Allen: The Correct Choice for NFL MVP
in The Stadium Wall
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Allen will never win MVP. You have Bills fans on here who go out of their way to refute why he shouldn’t win it or isn’t better than other QBs. How is he ever going to convince an objective observer if some of the fans from his own team would rather put him down in the face of good reason why he should be MVP over others.