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2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:
Right, I knew there is no way you misunderstood the play call. Yeah, the 4th DB is off screen behind the other two. He starts deep, but on a cover-0 blitz the assumption is he will come down to get Beasley (or whoever his assignment is) in coverage. It doesn't work out that way, hence the screen shot above, but that is the reason JA looks right. Look, when the coverage says all your WRs are gonnna be 1-1, you go to your best WR. That is what Josh did. I just wish they would have audibled to a more makable pass.
Please start using periods and commas. I literally have no idea what you are trying to say.
You are just making excuses for a bad play by the QB simple enough
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6 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:
Its Dabol's play call man. Its Daboll saying if you see cover-0 with Brown 1-1 on the outside that is your read. You can dream up whatever fiction scenario you like for this to justify your irrational anger, but that doesn't make it any less incorrect.
Wait....you've been around forever, there is no way you don't know what Cover-0 means
Please stop with the notion our oc is telling him to throw a ball to a receiver not open if josh came back to the sideline and told daboll i saw soft coverage on the left and hit Beasley for 20 so that was my read. Qbs make there decisions pre snap my guy stop saying a oc is telling josh where to throw a ball bills fans blame a oc for inept qb play.
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32 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:
It was never a decision. It was cover-0, meaning he got one read. He had Brown (his #1 WR) 1-1 on the outside running either a go or an option route, depending on whether he got a jump. The ball was always going to Brown, and the read was always on the right. These snap shots do nothing to help explain what happened on the play.
It shows a lot it shows the qb not seeing the field pre snap and not seeing Beasley cb playing 12 yards off and should of been the hot read sorry to say that is progression you would like to see from a qb and the bad decision making continues
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47 minutes ago, pop gun said:
IMO this is not true, 41 passes says as much.
Bad play calls and bad clock management are a huge issue.
Daboll and McD ineptness is really hampering Allens developement.
So you let your QB drop back 48 times letting hit sling it make the decisions trusting in him to make plays is hampering no. What sean mcvay did to goff is hampering and its showing now we are letting a qb play his game and its not working
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1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:
In all honesty and if I am being fully objective, that would be once, and that was against the Jets.
I think you have set yourself up for such lofty expectations and there is nothing that will satisfy you.
Lofty expectations just decent qb is lofty a qb hitting wide open guys is lofty having a offense average 21 is lofty expectaions man we have fallen far as a fan base if these things are lofty expectations. So Josh played well in cinci and the titans
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3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:
Yes, but his completion percentage is a lot better, he has several game winning touchdown drives, and he's been a big contributor to our red zone efficiency which is tops in the league.
Can he get better? Yes. We are just going to have to take what we can get now. I think he will get better.
But how many of these game winning drives were because josh was bad for 3 quarters
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4 minutes ago, BillsVet said:
I see the merits in these arguments. In effect, get the stop on a crucial 4th quarter drive, as Minnesota did against Dallas, and the game is won.
It's still a four quarter game and what you do before that final drive matters. The Bills have such a small margin of error that it means one side of the ball needs to come up big late. Against the Jets, and Titans it was the offense making plays to win. Against the Bengals and perhaps Washington it was the defense. This time, neither side made the big play to win the game.
I'd say in the NFL of 2019 that limiting a talented offense to 19 points is good. Not great, but good. The same cannot be said about the offense. Scoring 14 points is mediocre to poor. McD himself has talked about needing to score 21 points per and I'm sure analytics combined with his defense first mentality means he's going to win those types of games.
That said, I don't see there being elite defenses anymore. Not ones that week in and week out are going to suffocate opponents like some in the past before the league opened up the passing game.
What was the score of the titans game btw refresh my memory and how many points did our d let the jets score?
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1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:
You don't think he's played better at all?
He has cut down on picks. still very erratic and his deep ball has gotten extremely bad and his fumbling has gone up
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3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:
Alright, so what exactly is your point.
That Josh Allen should be cut from the team?
He has to start playing better as a qb and not be praised for inept QB play or be given a pass for bad coaching when actually the gameplan has not been that bad
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7 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:
I re-watched that play and I don't think Allen could have gotten the ball to Beasley, because the defenders were about to level him.
Again, the Bills refusal to take a timeout before that play was a terrible decision.
I know that Josh Allen has had some bad plays this season, but he's also had some good plays. He's doing much better than he did last season. Josh Allen deserves some of the blame today, but not ALL of it.
So your saying if josh recognized off the line like he should have and then that was his first reas didnt have enough time to throw a 5 yard pass but had enough time to throw a 20 yard pass. Your d held nfl team to under 20 points we are only scoring 19 a game its been a whole season thing im not just going off today
6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:He is tied for the league lead in 4th quarter comebacks and hasn't throw a pic in like over 100 attempts and has a better TD INT ratio than baker this season
Yea he has totally displayed he doesn't have it! Players never develop every year!
And he's only on Pace for like 3400 yards which you know would be Top 8 all time in Bills seasons. But he clearly sucks
How many of those comebacks were because of the offense not scoring the first 3 quarters? How many of those comebacks were because josh allen turned the ball over in bad spots answer me that. How many comebacks where there was the defense held a team under 20 points and a pathetic offense couldnt score till 5 mintues left in the 4th
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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:
I never said he doesn't make some easy throws look harder but he isn't piss poor on short gimme throws. He has been improved 2 fold since last season
QBs who make it in the league generally get better with experience. I'd take a guy at 23 who makes hard things look easy and believe that with coaching and experience the checkdowns and nuances will come
After all that's why coaches exist
We arent going to see eye to eye on this be has flash plays thats it low yardage games horrid picks bad decisions a qb just doesn't fail cause coaches fail him if you got it you got it you dont you dont its simple any great qb will tell you that
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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:
So you don't see all the high level throws he makes? Simple question
He is inconsistent but makes alot of big time throws look easy. That's good for a 23 year old kid
But he also makes the easy throws look difficult my guy yes he has a flashes but not one 300 yard pass game. Not one end to end consistent game? Simple question for you if the d doesnt show up and the offense has to put up 30 what chance do you give us for a win
Just now, Mark Vader said:Yes, Josh Allen missed on some plays.
On that last drive though, he connected on a few passes that got us into a long field goal range.
The Bills refusing to take a timeout was critical, because they could have taken more time to make a play call and get to a closer field goal chance or score a touchdown.
Josh Allen is not perfect, but he's had 4 game winning touchdown drives this year, and I would not have been surprised if he had done it again today.
Letting time run off the clock in that moment was a terrible decision.
Here is a major issue watch the last play cover 0 you know the defense is coming one the pass josh threw was horrible 7 yards off but he didnt recognize Beasley corner was 12 yards off coverage and he looked to that side and made a check at the line thoughs are the intangibles a qb needs he misses the easy plays
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3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
No because my personal opinion as a scout thought he needed to clean up mechanics and other nuances that he didn't get to learn at Wyoming
Sitting QBs and letting them learn is never bad, that's why the state of NFL QBs are bad... Nobody develops them properly anymore
Brady, Brees, Rodgers , Rivers , Mahomes all got time to sit. It can only help a QB
Josh played at Wyoming for only 2 seasons and needed to adapt to the speed and intricacies of the game, something that was way different at Wyoming
And if you think it's unacceptable that "open" receivers don't get the ball watch more games. QBs miss guys terribly week in and week out and don't throw to open guys all the time
Josh is at a much more alarming rate at missing wide open guys the qb runs the offense im done blaming OCs for inept QB play we are scoring less then 20 a game
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3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:
Very true.
What's worse is that they should have used their final timeout when Singletary did not get out of bounds.
They could have saved more time to draw up a play to get the first down and probably get in closer field goal range or possibly get a touchdown. There was enough time to do that.
Instead, they let the clock run, letting precious seconds slip away. Putting Hauschka in a difficult situation.
So you agree that Singletary only getting 8 carries was the right thing to do?
If receviers werent getting open and they were struggling i would agree run the ball more but they were getting open and josh was missing them
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1 minute ago, djp14150 said:
The offense got 14 pts. 2 was on a safety.
the offense hasn’t done enough. I don’t blame Allen, I blame the play calling. I blame McD conservatism
today if thry kick the FG at the end of the first half this game would have bern a tie.
So you blame the play calling for josh not hitting a deep ball all year missing open guys fumbling throwing horrid picks thats playcalling. guys every qb we had we blame playcalling maybe just maybe hear me out i know this is crazy maybe our qb isnt making the right reads or missing targets i know crazy right
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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:
Everybody on offense is inconsistent and it starts at coaching
You also are critiquing him like he's a 8 year polished vet. He should've been sitting for a year or 2 and learning
We threw a super green QB into the fire. Inconsistency is what happens.. he needed 2 years on the bench and he is getting it on the field
He has to learn to play through mistakes now in the field. He couldn't clean up his mechanics for 3 seasons like Rodgers.. he has been tossed into the fire
He needs more than 19 games
Daboll called plays that got players open. Im critiquing him as a QB young or old same position. Why do you say he need 2yrs on a bench cause someone on tv or radio says he needs it?
3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:Again......Devin Singletary: 8 carries....Unacceptable.
Again open receivers in a passing league not getting the ball unacceptable
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Just now, Mark Vader said:
And there were receivers that were open that Josh connected on and they dropped them.
I give you two my friend one to knox and roberts and thats it what you got now
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1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:
Singletary getting 8 carries today against one of the worst run defenses in the league is not bad game planning?
But receviers were wide open all day josh missed throws my guy
3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:Terribly inaccurate QBs don't throw 20 yards square ins on the money consistently
Josh makes amazingly hard throws look effortless a good amount of time , inaccurate QBs don't do that
He is inconsistent.. but so is pretty much everybody on offense outside John Brown. Daboll is super inconsistent with playcalling
Inaccurate QBs don't have a WR like John Brown on Pace for 1200 yards. He throws a great ball between 10-20 yards
We score less the 20 a game explain?
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The more i look at it josh missed Beasley bad on that last play has a chance to pick up 25 yards maybe even score go watch
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4 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:
From what I understood, all WRs went deep on that play. Allen's deep accuracy has been a problem all year, so why not use Beasley there instead of sending him downfield?
Um, the pass went to Beasley, like downfield. Why not try to move the chains on a play that had more of a chance given Allen's deep ball issues? Isn't that Beasley's forte?
Wrong plays i was talking about the last pass play off the game
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2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:
Maybe so, but I seriously doubt a deep ball is a huge chunk of the playbook like you say. Pfft 3rd and 3 and he has Allen loft a bomb, that is on Daboll
Daboll made him? watch the play look at cole Beasley left side cb is 15 yards off josh could of recognized that and made the hot read against cover 0
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Just now, buffalo2218 said:
They why would Daboll call a play like that if there's even less chance of success since Allen can't complete a deep ball?
No matter what you have to trust a qb to make a throw you cant hamper your playbook and take out a huge chunk of your playbook and scheme daboll is getting people open on the field josh isnt hitting them
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5 minutes ago, DrPJax said:
Not trying to be difficult but ;
giving a running back who is avg. over 5 yds a carry 8 touches is by definition bad play calling !
0 targets for your highly paid free agent TE is by definition bad play calling or bad game planning and speaks to a lack of identity for the offenseplaying foster over Williams and then targeting him once or twice is again bad game planning. Having your kick returner suddenly getting more targets than foster and expecting him to suddenly be comfortable catching the ball under game pressure is bad game planning and bad play calling.
never scoring points in the third quarter speaks to bad game planning, again what is this offenses identifying principle? Can you define it ?When your slot receiver is the sole deep target on a critical down, game planning is questionable and again what is the philosophy of the passing game plan? It’s not productive and scoring 14 points is not GOOD or acceptable and the OC is responsible for the game plan.
When your offense is confused and huddling as the clock runs down in the game defining drive , that is poor preparation and speaks to poor coaching. Isn’t Daboll responsible for the offense in that situation ?
The product speaks for itself. If you think it’s just on Josh , isn’t it the OC s job to design an offense around the capabilities of your given talent ?
I agree Josh is a work in progress. Daboll has a history of poor performing offenses and this is just another notch in his belt, by now he is what he is. Josh at least has a chance to develop. There is something wrong with the chemistry between daboll and Josh as the product now doesn’t work. Much easier to try a new OC than draft a new QB. Just like whisenhunt was responsible and dismissed its time for Mcd to salvage this situation imho.Not to be difficult but its not dabolls fault josh cant hit one deep ball its not dabolls fault josh missed McKenzie today when he had 10 steps on a guy its not his fault josh missed john brown wide open on a slant route on 4th and 4 then at the end of the game missed john brown on a back shoulder by 10 yards. You can have the best oc in the world the qb still has to hit the open players nuff said
One important question I have on the last drive
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The left side corner back moved up twice on the play showing he is rushing. It was a bad read by allen simple as that. The brown back shoulder was his throw no matter what the defense was in no awareness