butch rolle
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2 hours ago, JohnNord said:
Karlos Williams. Man he was a stud as a rookie both running and catching the football. Then I remember Rex joked his g/f was pregnant and he packed on sympathy weight because he was very overweight at minicamp. It must have been bad because he never played a down in year 2
It’s funny how the Whaley 2015 draft went from looking excellent in Year 1, to looking meh in Year 2, to looking like crap in Year 3.
I remember in his first start that Thad managed to take a modest lead against New Orleans early in a game and thinking “maybe THIS is our QB.” 🤣🤣🤣I'm so glad you guys mentioned Karlos. This is such a good pick. I live near the home of the Patriots now so I haven't been able to get to many Bills home games in my adult life. I did get out to Buffalo for the 2015 home game against Miami. Shady and Karlos both ran for over a hundred yards. I got to high five Greg Roman as he drove his SUV through the tailgate on the way out after the game! It really is true that Karlos ate his way out of the league. I totally get it though as I feel like I put on 10 lbs every time I come back home. My favorite sports nickname of all time might have been given to him... "Feast Mode"!
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11 hours ago, Doc Brown said:
Funny but a bit choppy. It's like they never bothered to practice.
Was the "practice" reference intentional? If so - well played!
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Looking at the best available remaining receivers there is a guy named Tez Johnson from Oregon. 5'10, 154 lbs. If the bills are still running an "everybody eats" offensive philosophy, this guy better get drafted for his own survival.
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Does anyone else still think about the fact that at one point the Bills 52nd pick, which came from Minnesota, was looking to be an early 2nd rounder maybe even as low as 35? Then the Vikings exceeded all expectations and the whole time I was thinking damn...
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9 hours ago, FireChans said:
Sure but if he plays out the year who cares?
Gonna bench him for 29 year old Ray Davis because he puts his house on the market when we can’t reach a deal to keep him in Buffalo?
It doesn’t make any sense lol
29? Where did the extra 4 years come from?
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17 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
IDK why I never knew this or heard it brought up before on this forum, but Eric Moulds has the all-time receiving yard record in the playoffs. He put up 240 yards during 98 wildcard against the Dolphins. Absolutely insane. I knew Moulds was very very good during his heyday, but I have done a deep dive into his career (I tend to spend the offseasons watching old Bills games and also specific Buffalo legends) and I didn’t realize the sheer dominance he had when given decent QB play.
By no means was he a slouch, he’s 5 yards short of a 10k career, but this guy really could’ve been up there with Reed/ Largent/ Reggie Wayne/ Holt. Those guys all had HOF passers. Are there any other examples of players like Moulds who had atrocious QBs and never achieved their full potential? Or players with crappy supporting casts in general that were much better than fans give them credit for ?
Then on the other end we have Gabe Davis with the most receiving Touchdowns in a playoff game (who can forget that?) Too bad he couldn’t stop dropping the ball. Gabe Davis could’ve been a Wayne Chrebet/Ed McCaffrey type legend in Western NY. Not insane stats, but some legendary plays and a long-tenured career & go-to target for Josh Allen. His toe-tap catches in a VERY close game against the Phillip Rivers-led Colts were instrumental in the Bills first playoff win in 25 years. A very important player that helped spark the Bills as a major force in the NFL.
He really was special. That 2002 season where him and Peerless Price went off was one of the few bright spots of the drought era. Speaking of the drought era, will someone eventually make it onto the wall of fame? Personally, Kyle Williams is my all time favorite from that time but I'd have a tough time saying he was more dominant than Eric Moulds. Elbert Dubenion is up there and granted it's not fair to do a direct stat comparison from 35 years earlier, but what makes Moulds less qualified? Maybe just a victim of the poor teams he was part of vs Elbert's 2 AFL championships?
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25 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
We won't see this until tomorrow evening or Thursday morning unfortunately.
That's good to know. Do we have hard numbers yet on how much the extensions for Rousseau, Bernard, and Shakir freed up?
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13 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:
Did details on Josh contract, specifically his 2025 cap hit get released yet? IIRC his prior deal tabbed him around $44m ish this season.
Whoever did the cap tracker thread last year, I kindly ask you take on that duty again 😁
Agreed! I'm dying to know how much cap space this freed up.
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2 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
I would and convert him to safety.
He would make the team.
I read that Hamlin is not coming backt
Tre is not exactly a willing, let alone competent tackler...
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On 2/12/2025 at 10:36 PM, BarleyNY said:
The big question for me is what they do about Allen. He got $60M cash last season, but he’s only due $14.5M this season. If something is getting done there then that’s where you start.
As for a big trade like Garrett or Crosby the Bills would need to do a new deal for them so they could minimize the first couple year’s cap hits.
The Bills can open up some decent cap space. I use OTC’s calculator to play with scenarios when I’m bored.
Thank you for all of these insights, Barley! I wish I had a better understanding of the cap. I listen to a lot of podcasts and I really enjoy Greg Thompsett's explanations on how the cap can be manipulated within reason, which is essentially a strategic "kicking of the can". So 2024 was definitely a "take your lumps" type of year with the cap but I guess I was foolishly optimistic about 2025 and being more middle of the pack as far as cap space. When I check out Spotrac's 2025 team cap space rankings, it looks pretty depressing to see the Bills sitting at 4th to last, with teams like the Chiefs and the Ravens having 4-5X more cap room. I know that there are levers to pull and ways to free up space but don't many teams have similar available options? In your opinion, are the Bill really close to the bottom of the league again as far as cap space or does this ranking not really paint an accurate picture?
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space
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21 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:
Just to be accurate, both Cook and Benford are getting a big bump in pay under the PPE (Proven Player Escalator) this season.
Cook is getting $5.6M and Benford $3.2M.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/76939/james-cook
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/77062/christian-benford
That is a good point but when you compare $3.2M to what Benford would command on the open market ($20M+ AAV) that still is crucial from a roster construction aspect. If we don't have a significant amount of starters on rookie deals, the math doesn't work.
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Just now, Scott7975 said:
Hell of a tackle
That's what happens when you weigh 150 lbs soaked wet. The biggest knock on worthy
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49 minutes ago, Bookie Man said:
Oh God yes. It’s win win. Either Bills win or you win. And I will gladly pay money to see the Bills win 🤑. It almost feels like you contributed to the win in a weird way.
You captured my sentiments perfectly. And here I was thinking I coined the term " emotional hedge"! In fact, the last time I did this was that Bills Ravens playoff game 4 years ago. Best money I ever spent
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I like the analogy except for one thing. Unlike Okoye, Henry IS playing this Sunday
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2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
If he were opposite of a prime Jerry Hughes, Rousseau would be putting up big sack numbers, IMO. His game currently requires someone to force the QB to step up for him to pile up sacks like he did at The U. The Bills haven't had that guy. Rousseau is gradually getting better at creating his own sack opportunities though. That strip sack of Flacco last week was a subtle thing of beauty and illustrates his elite GPS and reach. I could easily see him averaging like 12 sacks per year from age 27-32 and ending up accumulating well over 100 in a long career. As discussed on here many times, he's a hard player to comp.
It's funny that this thread pivoted to Greg Rousseau and his value in relation to raw sack numbers. His QB hurries, pressure rate, and all other non-sack metrics are top 5-10. Will it actually help the bills in extending Rousseau if he ends with 8-9 sacks instead of 12+? I asked this exact question of Joe Marino on the Locked on Bills podcast and he answered it this morning:
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I'll never understand how helmet to helmet penalties against the defense only seem to protect receivers. Running back gets cleaned out by the crown of a helmet - no one cares. Special teamer Newman for the jets gets smacked with a helmet - doesn't matter.
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1 minute ago, bouds said:
I mean he’s had worse wrs and played better than he did today so…..Lot of blame to go around. I mean he had Kincaid open deep and underthrew it, and could have made a better throw on the deep throw to Hollins.
Allen definitely was forcing the issue with trying to stretch the field. That being said, the deep pass to Hollins seemed to be spot on. Hollins appeared to lose track of the ball or pull up for some inexplicable reason.
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I know there are bigger issues to talk about from this game than kickers but hear me out... When was the last time an opposing kicker missed one at the end of the game? Didn't most of you feel that the 59 yarder was almost a foregone conclusion? It was reminiscent of last year when the Bills had the Eagles dead to rights when Jake Elliot banged a 59 yarder into a driving rain to send the game into overtime.
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2 minutes ago, Billznut said:
And you’re surprised by this??
It was 4th and 10 with the bills showing next to no ability to advance the ball more than 5 yards at a clip. Anyone that thinks that McDermott is a conservative coach doesn't know what they're watching. His fourth down aggression is amongst the highest in the league
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13 hours ago, Toomstone.Part.Duex said:
They missed Kyle Williams! Am I right?
Josh never got to play with Kyle. Man, what a bright spot of the drought era. Him and Fred Jackson deserved so much more
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I understand that there is to be some discrepancy between the eye test and the PFF grades but how in the hell is Terrel Bernard a 65.9 while Greg Rousseau is an 87.1?
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It's such a strange position that the Buffalo Bills PR finds themselves in. You wonder if there will be even a mention of his passing on the official website. My guess is no. His name looms up there on the wall as I suppose it would just create even more attention if they were to take it down. You wonder if the wall will be created at the new stadium and this closes the chapter on any chance of the Juice being officially referenced any longer.
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10 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:
Josh Allen-elite talentEd Oliver-elite talent
Stefon Diggs-elite talent
Matt Milano-elite talent
James Cook-very good talent
Terrell Bernard-very good talent
Khalil Shakir-very good talent
Christian Benford-very good talent
Rasul Douglas-very good talent
Taron Johnson is better at his position than at least half those guys. Was he an oversight or an intentional omission?
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I find it so hard to put into words how I feel about Josh. He is simply the best thing that has ever happened to this franchise. At the same time, if I'm being objective, Mahomes is the better quarterback. How do you argue with the body of work at this point?
Yet if you ask me if I do a straight up quarterback swap with the Chiefs, I'd say no way. I want the bills to win the Lombardi but I want it to be with Josh!
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Bills on Hard Knocks
in The Stadium Wall
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Yes, you need HBO or HBO streaming via the Max app. It is a pay service. The usual cadence is to release an episode weekly covering the previous week's training camp. So I would imagine the first episode would be in early August.