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1 hour ago, BuffaloSol said:
Apparently you think people don't understand how to read something and understand what the person writing is implying. Speaking in vague terms and using false equivalencies. It's a tactic I've seen used enough times that I am wise to it. It's usually used by people to give themselves a way out during a debate and a way to take a stance without being forced to back that stance up
Another tactic I am wise to is deflection of answers by trying to discredit the debate stating that propaganda is the same thing as asking you show some proof of your "wonder" about fans use of race in determining their like or dislike of a player.
"Derailing the topic" by questioning the validity of your claim that Tyrod and now Lamar are being unfairly judged due to their race. That's called engaging in the topic I'm sorry your political ideology doesn't fit with my rebuttals of the claims you proposed.
Well I am glad you had a great source for your next statement "As other posters have pointed out EVERY franchise probably has kkk types, neonazi types, and other cretins embedded in their fan base..." which while statically anyone could probably conclude that, using at as point to lead in to your next arguement is another Tactic I am wise to. It is a way to try and cleverly conclude that there are much larger group of people (other than just the blatant scum racists) that think black QB`s cannot succeed in the NFL only because they are black. While you again make the statement that NFL Starting QBs have their fair share of criticism, you lead in the arguement by stating it is an unfair criticism based on being black. Which again you failed to show proof that their criticism is based on their race. So unlike you tried to say earlier by stating "you NEVER came close" you actually did.
If you think a review of a QB in which some scout says or doesn't say the "code word" (which apparently is your way implying scouts have code words based on Race) of Pocket Passer "dangerous" with the potential of being "deliberately racist" I feel sorry for you. Oh and again zero facts regarding the "dangerous" use of Pocket Passer or Dual Threat.
Well thanks for sharing your evaluation of Lamar Jackson and guess what you'll be happy to hear that there are plenty of scouts that see him that way, but you think based on your extensive scouting knowledge every Scout must say either he is Pocket Passer or not say something that implies he can run as well?
That is why I used the word delusional earlier, Lamar Jackson ran for three THOUSAND yards in the last two years with possible 4.3 speed and you think it's okay to say that it's "dangerous" maybe even "deliberately racist" if some of the people that scout him don't say he only a pocket passer QB?
As far as Rosen people have a right to question his character it doesn't make it right or wrong. He clearly rubs some people the wrong way and there were reports that came out of UCLA(who knows how true they are or if it was a way for his agent or another teams scout to make sure the browns pass), they have a right to their opinion on him. I personally think he has the highest floor but am very worried about two concussions and other injury history.
Did you really say know your place or pay the price about Rosen? You're kidding right....... the price? He is a clear Top ten pick with potential to go number one in a draft that has not happened yet. Sign me up for paying the price please. Or better yet LeBrons price, I would have movie and book deals and someone I already think is an idiot on Fox news that says they think I should shut up because of my political views(oh the horror). Have you watched main stream media lately they have all chosen sides, to act like Fox News is the only one that does it is extremely naive.
We dont have time to get into the kapernick james stuff and it should go in ppp. But I'll say a couple things since you brought it up. Saying it's racist or he is being blackballed because of race is also lacking proof, everyone on the the right that is mad says it's due to disrespect of the flag while everyone on the left says it's racist, they are both out of line. I know what kap was trying to say and I don't think he was trying to disrespect the flag, doesn't mean I have to agree with his stances. I will say he didn't help himself with the childlike pig as a cop socks(ya know the MAJORITY of which are underpaid public servants that put their life on the line and are good people) and defending the dictator Castro to a Cuban refugee(pretty hard to bring him to the dolphins last year after that), along with ya know the football and business things involved.
Thank you for at least admitting you are extrapolating what you think I might be saying, rather than what I am actually saying. It is an ugly tactic IMHO. Most of the rest of your post is your usual obfuscations and misdirection. At this point we risk getting into one of those pointless one on one slag fests that nobody wants to read, and frankly I do not have the time for.
On a more positive note, I can relate to some of your comments on Kap. Personally, I respect that him for taking a stand (or knee I guess). On the other hand his protest was poorly thought out as it had no end game. As you point out , he hurt his cause by allowing "pig" imagery and other leftist causes to get mixed in to his protest image. Some of this was deliberate misrepresentation by the far right, but he did himself no favors by not actively and quickly disassociating himself from the more militants items.
I think (hope) that most reasonable Americans can agree that there is an excessive use of deadly force by our police these days AND that black communities are the most affected by this. There is a need for true accountability in such instances and I support efforts to get this done. However, making the message explicitly antipolice or associating anarchists elements within the movement is not going to fly., and rightly or wrongly that is how many seem to perceive BLM now.
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13 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:
I have yet to see a film breakdown of Lamar Jackson where he is critiqued for misreading the field. Plays could be there, but the accuracy problems seem to be primarily linked to mechanical flaws (too narrow throwing base) that caise overthrows when the proper read was made. But just today Bucky Brooks posted a bunch of quotes from a variety of sources who said their teams were concerned with his ability to process the mental aspects of the game. In comparison, Darnold has thrown lots of interceptions due to miss-reads, but few (if any) are concerned with his ability to mentally process the game.
I just saw that too. I also saw he only scored a 13 on the wonderlic. That test is hardly the end of discussion as to football IQ and mental processing, but 13 is pretty low. Josh Allen scored a 37 (tied for 7th in history of test). While one should not put too much emphasis on the wonderlic , it's enough for me to consider to drop him to #4 on my QB draft ratings after Allen now. Let's see how his pro day goes.
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2 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
http://www.khmer440.com/k/2013/07/7-reasons-why-you-really-shouldnt-move-to-cambodia/
"Lately, there have been a lot of Westerners moving to Cambodia or making plans to move to Cambodia. This is partly due to the difficult job market in many Western countries, and it’s partly due to Cambodia becoming a more “mainstream” destination for tourists and expatriates. Some of the recent interest in Cambodia has come from Westerners living in Thailand. Rising prices in Thailand and stricter Thai visa regulations have already contributed to a noticeable influx of shifty-eyed, tattooed sexpats creeping across the border into Cambodia. Fortunately, a lot of those dudes haven’t made it past Sihanoukville."
Interesting fun read in that link.
Anyway, how does one follow the draft in other parts of the world I wonder? How much news lag is there? We will know as it happens thank goodness.
I keep suggesting that you start a thread on Cambodia in the the non-football part of this forum so as not to go too far off topic. That said your more recent post is a bit less trolling so I will offer a reply here. I am quite familiar with the link you cite ... it is funny, written tongue in cheek but also with some truth to it. The link is now 5 years old. 10 to 15 years ago Sihanoukvville (Cambodia's only ocean front city) was a notorious den of Russian mobsters on the run, drug and arms dealers, pedophiles and other assorted predators. Most expats here view it as a s#&thole. As the Russian economy crashed, most of the mobsters left but 5 to 6 years ago (as the link you provide indicates) after the latest Thai military coup, there was a crackdown on the many visa overstayers in the Sexpat city of Pattaya which caused a temporary influx of Sexpat refugees from there. However, since then, Sihanoukvville (as has much of urban Cambodia) has gentrified Almost all of the coastline property has been sold to Chinese investors who are converting the entire city into a casino town replete with its own airport, and chartered flights to China. Most of the Sexpat refugees from Thailand have either found ways to stay in Pattaya or given up and gone home. From the Russian mob capital of SEA to 2 years of sex tourist refugee center to a Chinese casino town. All In 10 years. That is progress in Sihanoukvville.
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3 hours ago, BuffaloSol said:
You brought up race and wanted a discussion but, anytime someone has a rebuttal you think okay to hide behind the guise of people are being race sensitive? Then you discuss Identity politics like you are not part of the issue. If you are scared to talk about race and can't handle facts being shown to you or a difference of opinion don't bring it up.
You wanted a discussion you got one, but don't act like you didn't expect people being offended that you interjected race with zero proof.
Answer this not some other part of my discussion- Let's face it where is your proof of the claims that a large part of fans in Buffalo made there decision on Tyrod based on Race, the media made decisions on Tyrod based on race, and the organization made decisions based on race?
>>>>>Again answer last question<<<<<<
One reason I have not replied to you much and left you to spar with Murph instead is you have shown a propensity (as many fanatics do) of misrepresenting your targets viewpoints. It is a common propaganda technique and one which I am wise to. For example, you insist I answer your question "where is your proof of the claims that a large part of fans in Buffalo made there decision on Tyrod based on Race, the media made decisions on Tyrod based on race, and the organization made decisions based on race?"
How can I justify this position when I have NEVER come close to taking it.
Thus your approach is dishonest and suggests you are more interested in derailing the topic rather than engaging it.
My posts have questioned, why so many people cannot say anything positive about Tyrod Taylor ... a lower middle tier QB, with high character, an underdog story, and a gamer who did all he could for the team. Post after post of Tyrold is trash, thank god he is gone etc. I get that he was not the next Jim Kelly but he was probable the best we have had since, and it is not like we had a replacement tearing things up .... I mean a rookie 5th round pick with a rep for turnovers in college?!
Then I see so many more that are outright dismissive of Lamar Jackson as a prospect, with lazy comparisons like "the next Tyrod" and the "next rg3" and it is enough to make one wonder. So I QUESTIONED how much of an issue people here though race and stereotypes still played in QB perceptions.
On the Internet, the most fringe tend to be the most vocal, so I am happy I have gotten a good cross section of replies here ... the usual two or three trolls trying to derail the topic is an expected and acceptable price for this. As other posters have pointed out EVERY franchise probably has kkk types, neonazi types, and other cretins embedded in their fan base... fortunately those numbers are probably quite tiny, a step up from this is a segment that still believes black qbs cannot succeed in the NFL ... and the oft mentioned Russ Wilson and Cam Newton have more than their share of haters. A lot of these views are probably not deliberately racist but are still dangerous no matter how much code words like "Pocket Passer" are used. When I look at Lamar Jackson I see a pocket Passer, high football IQ, with some throwing mechanics issues, and can run like hell.
I am not suggesting that all, or even, most critics of Tyrod or LJ are racist but it would be interesting to see a correlation between the two. At the very least people should be cautious of lazy thinking .... look at how many people dismissed DeShawn Watson last year. How did that work out?
I also raised ROSEN, because as I looked deeply in to each qb candidate I kept seeing "Character issues" , "soft", "bad fit", "no passion for game" in summaries of Rosen. The deeper I dug all I could find was some anti-trump comments, criticism of NCAA profiteering, and the fact that he kept a hot tub in his flat. Wow! Such character issues! Yet mindlessly repeated by media and fans alike. . Durability, issues aside we should be lucky to have the kid.
We live in an Era where MSM like Fox News tells LeBron James to "shut op and dribble", Kap's career blackballed and ruined for his stance, ... now it's know your place or pay the price to Rosen.
Regardless of what one believes about flag or anthem protests, this is a toxic, and dangerous environment. Pro sports is at the vanguard of America culture, if these issues cannot be discussed here, where can they be discussed?
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3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
I live in Japan.
Visited Cambodia last year for a conference. Incredible country. Man, were the people nice, and I was knocked out that they use dollars. Cracked me up. I was also really impressed at the variety of food and restaurants available in Phnom Penh. I had some goooooooooooood meals there.
Cool. If ever in the area again let me know. I rarely travel now, but in my 3 trips to Japan I found it fascinating but a bit overwhelming. Sadly the trips were all business and i never made it outside of Tokyo. Food in Phnom Penh is fantastic ... local fare is a bit inferior to neighboring Thailand and Vietnam, but you can appreciate the different influences. Being a former french colony with many French restaurants there is a remarkable number of choices here, not to mention you can buy baguettes and good coffee from any number of street vendors.
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On 3/29/2018 at 8:06 AM, Teddy KGB said:
I’d rather listen to a Cambodian hooker talk.
Supposedly it goes ... " I wiww wuv you wong time hansum man"
Hope that thought keeps you and the meanie warm on a cold western new York (or wherever you are) night.
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19 hours ago, yungmack said:
Welcome aboard. Good post. If you've been lurking, you know there are a few posters who are just cranky, a few who are naturally contrary, and a few who are indeed who are, shall we say, "race-sensitive." But the overwhelming majority are none of those things. We may be all over the place with our opinions, our knowledge, our passion for this player over that one. But most are just sincere Bills fans who want the best for our team as we each see it. The choleric minority can sometimes overshadow this fact. I guess what I'm saying is, Don't let them get you down. Keep on posting and contributing.
Thanks and I originally missed your post somehow. Yes I am sure the large majority are just sincere fans as you describe, even if some of those fall into lazy traps of analysis when considering players. As others have pointed out every community has its bad apples and they tend to be the loudest, most insistent , threatening etc. it goes with the territory. As to diversity of opinions, it would be a boring place if we all agreed 100% on the path to our franchise qb.
18 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:When critiques are described as being delusional and impolite, from the get go, your not engaging in dialogue, or contributing to a community, your trying to silence people. This thread was started by a poster who wanted to have an honest conversation about identity politics and QB evaluation, and those concerns are valid (especially because Capernick seems to have been black balled from the league, while lots of QB's who are way worse than he is have backup jobs). Such conversations involve critiques, inevitably, that will make some people uncomfortable. If those critiques bother some fans, I can't fathom why they would want to participate in this conversation, outside of trying to shut the conversation down.
Thank you for the names of the studies, will see if there is a way to access them from here. the Kap issue is another one .... regardless of where one stands on the kneeling controversy, it is clear he is being blackballed. ex 49er safety E Reid also seems to think he is being blackballed. Not sure about this yet as the market for safeties has been soft overall this year. Time will tell though ... Reid is too good a player to not have any suitors.
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7 hours ago, TigerJ said:
Welcome Bill. If you could ship a little southeast Asia tropical heat back to NY State, I think all of us would appreciate it. I'll react to your draft observations. I think the Browns could go Darnold or Allen. They feel like they bought time with the acquisition of Tyrod Taylor for a raw, high ceiling QB like Allen to make a successful transition to the NFL. I have seen no evidence anywhere that the Giants have any interest at all in trading down. The murmurs are that they are happy to be at #2. The Jets are getting to be almost a consensus pick as the destination for Josh Rosen. I agree that most of the trade speculation is going to focus on pick #4 going forward. The Broncos pick at #5 and there is at least speculation they could try to draft Case Keenum's eventual successor here. The teams you mentioned all might have motivation to try and move ahead of Denver. I don't think Lamar Jackson is in play here, not because of his color, but because he is less conventional than the others. Combine that with the things he needs to correct, and I think the perception is that #4 is too high for him. I think there is a possibility Josh Allen might be gone before Denver picks. If he is, and Buffalo hasn't traded into #4, Mayfield is a real possibility for Denver. I think Lamar Jackson will be available at #12. I am not sure he's a great value there, but I wouldn't complain if Buffalo felt they like him a lot and needed to do it at that point rather than risk Arizona picking him at #15.
Thanks Tiger ... well it is a balmy 88 degree as I type this and is supposed to get down to a chilly 77 at night. I can see your point but I do think Lamar will go top 10. If Mayfield is gone too that does not leave much to choose from unless you are a Rudolph fan (I am not).
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10 hours ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said:
Lamar Jackson reminds me way too much of RG3 the comparisons are endless. Heisman Trophy, good arm, athletic and for while he tricked us into thinking RG3 was going to change the position of QB for the better and make pocket passers a thing of the past. Right up until defenses figured him out and just started pounding him to the ground until his skinny frame couldn't take it anymore. I liked RG3 seemed like a good dude and he got left in that one game too long when clearly he was severely injured. I am just worried that Lamar will come in and do the exact same thing is that irrational? Tyrod is another story being behind in the 4th quarter with him at QB I knew we had already lost the game he had no comeback ability or the it factor.
I love Rosen as a solid pocket passer that can make all the throws at every level of the defense and is capable of calling plays and audibles and is accurate which is a huge factor for me. He works his butt off and is a perfectionist the fact that he is outspoken on his beliefs doesn't bother me one bit.
Good post even if we disagree on Lamar. I like Rosen too but his durability scares the heck out of me... 7 games missed in two years and multiple concussions is a warning sign. I would still take the risk if he somehow dropped to #12, but reality suggests we would have to go to #2 to get him and that is just too high a price for a guy with his injury concerns.
Josh Allen is the wild card with Browns and Jets being linked to him, but I sort of feel these are smokescreen.
I think if Bills fans want a starting level QB this draft they will be looking at Mayfield or Lamar. I don't think either drops to #12 .... Mayfield never gets past Miami if he even gets that far. Other QB hungry teams are not going to wait to see Lamar slide to 12. For whatever his flaws there is far too much upside, and that is what drafting a franchise QB is about.
I just don't get the RG3 comparisons ... yes they are black and can run ... but I have seen enough tape on Lamar to know he has potential to be productive out of the pocket. My (admiteddly fuzzy) memories of RG3S tape coming out of college are of a guy who rarely stayed in the pocket and simply rolled out, made one read, then sprinted full speed. Not the same game at all as Lamar.
Mayfield looks OK but not exceptional ... ,hugely productive in college but average to below average arm, OK but not great accuracy, no experience in a pro style offense. People keep talking about the "it" factor this is more about him knowing when the lights and cameras are on him, and he is admittedly good with the media. I see to much Manzel in him which might be unfair as I have heard nothing about any substance abuse with him ... but his apparent case of celebrityitis is worrying and I wonder how he will handle fame. On the field he reminds me of a hybrid of Menzel and Keenum coming out of college .... not awful but not that great either. I take Lamar 10 times out of 10 over him just for the upside.
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7 hours ago, ricojes said:
Race does not factor into analyzing TT, for the most part it's all about your statement which I bolded. He is a decent QB and game manager and nothing else. He is a high character guy and I wish him the best in Cleveland, but I am glad he is no longer in Buffalo. He wasn't treated unfairly here as some might think, he started for 3 seasons! He was benched for refusing to throw the ball into tight windows and playing it too safe. The anger here isn't directed at TT, but towards other posters who over value TT's contributions and believe he is better than he actually is and that the Bills were somehow holding him back. It's those ridiculous comments that will ensure a heated TT debate, but I can assure you that most here appreciate TT's contributions and have nothing but respect for the way he handled himself as a Bill. The color of the QB's skin does not matter to Bills fans, it's all about winning. It's unfortunate that your post mentioned race, but welcome to the board...
Thanks. I will get to the heart of it. Tyrod was the best QB we have had this century. That said, he was a lower middle tier starter maybe around rank 20 to 22. He was a great game manager and highly effective when the game was close. The games needed to be close because Tyrod needed the running game to be relevant in order for him to be effective. Once the Bills fell behind and needed to move the ball in 10 to 20 yard chunks he was ineffective, and in the modern, high scoring NFL this just does not work. He might have been better if the Bills had not traded Watkins (with whom he worked out with in the offseason), but we will never know and I have no problem with the Watkins deal.
The above are all valid criticisms and have nothing to do with race. I appreciate that you at least acknowledge his contributions and how he handled himself but it bothers me when I see most posters here just trashing him. He was also the classic underdog story. ... a late round pick that took less money to play for us because he had a better chance at starting. A "blue collar" town like buffalo should have embraced such an underdog. Instead too many people looked at a half full glass of water and accused it of being empty.
Anyway, it is in the past now, but when the same tropes are being applied to Lamar Jackson it is cause for concern. Remember all the DeShawn Watson criticism last year? Jackson should be better than him.
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9 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
Then why did you raise the issue of "identity Politics"? Why did you elaborate about your living circumstances and your opinions of the place, and your vacation destinations? You raised these issues not me. You related them to football, not me.
So I am following along with the narrative and discussion that originated with you.
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Teach me oh moral one so that i may learn from you and grow.
You are coming across more than a little thick. This is a football forum, I have raised identity politics in the context of the NFL ... and more specifically the Bills, the recent ouster of their black QB, the level of vitriol towards him by so many on this board. , and parallel outlooks and stereotypes as to the only higher rated Black and Jewish QB prospects in the draft this year..
This should not be too hard for you to follow.
As to your continued and irrelevant comments about Cambodia ... I have encouraged you to start a thread on that in the non football section of this forum. Link me to it, I will try to sort you out. it is great you have discovered Wikipedia but it sounds like you could not find Cambodia on a map.
Your continued obsession about sex and who might be "for sale outside my window" comes across as creepy to say the least. There is nobody for sale for $2 here .... I suppose I could head downtown and find a $50 hooker if that were my thing, but you could probably do the same wherever you live. Good luck. Hope that idea titilates you, as you are so fixated on these types of topics.
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2 hours ago, bigK14094 said:
Welcome I had a taste of being a Bills fan in Asia for one year. (Japan) Not easy, as games are on in the middle of the night if you want to watch live. NFL.com allows purchase of games on line if the web address is outside the USA if I recall correctly. But, mostly I watched recorded a day late in an American club while eating dinner, so it was a good experience.
You make interesting point about Rosen.....but, I didn't even know he was Jewish until you mentioned it. That fact remains of no interest to me however, as I don't think that kind of marketing thinking (land in NY, Miami or LA) goes into the draft process anyhow. They do check character, but not what church the guy goes to. Same w the racism angle....the NFL is majority black these days, and nobody cares if a QB candidate is black or white....just can he play.
Japan is a tough place for NFL. I rely on NFL Game pass international. costs between US $200 and $300 per year depending on where you are .... all teams, all games, playoffs, super bowl, off season including combine and draft. NFL channel etc. I try to stay awake to watch the Bills live but considering most games start at 1am I sometimes wait and watch the game on demand the next day.
As to the role of ethnicity in marketing and drafting, you may br right. Miami tried several Jewish quarterbacks (Jay Fiedler and Sage Rosenfelc ome to mind) , Markets with large Asian minorities have been the first to bring in baseball talent from Asia. Irish still means something in Boston. I find it all a bit silly, but I do understand many people (potential ticket buyers and buyers of advertisers' products ) relate to ethnic identity and thus it made a certain amount of marketin sense to attract them.
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20 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:
There are studies that back both of these points up. Scouts will use different language when describing black players and white players, even when speaking positively.
Interesting. If you have time I would appreciate any links you might have.
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1 hour ago, shrader said:
These kind of things drive me crazy. Assuming that race is the only reason why someone could form a specific opinion, isn't that itself racist?
One problem with people who rage too much about any mention of race or identity politics is that they always exaggerate (misrepresent) the others points. Neither I nor any other person on this thread has said "race is the only reason" as you and Mr. WEO suggest. .These types of tactics make it impossible to discuss anything with some people.
I have questioned whether it race is (was) a factor with Tyrox and how much. If some people believe it was zero factor that is their right. I am trying to get a feel for how much of an issue people think this is. From where I sit Tyrol deserved better from fans and management. Past is past but now i see all the negative posts about Lamar Jackson.
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2 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
Oh I didn't mean to offend. And I didn't mean specifically you.
But as you say even in your reply here, a goodly percentage of Western men fitting your general profile, both tourists and expatriates, do travel there to live outside of laws governing what we here would consider to be depraved behaviors.
So in the spirit of your post, which I will paraphrase here : (I am) Not suggesting that [all critics of Tyrol are racist,] expatriates living in souteast Asia are there to exploit the vulnerable, but I am wondering, particularly how your not being in [Buffalo] America for many years, how much [race] sexual depravity and the availability of meagerly paid exploited domestic workers, is a factor in [anti-Tyrod sentiments] your general demographic group deciding to live there.
So as you can see I was merely hoping to broaden the open honest dispassionate discussion.
Or put another way, if you don't like it, don't start it.
You are on to something here.
Similar to the baseball stereotypes of can hit the ball, or can pitch the ball. Or the basketball ones of "can rebound or can hit the hoop and score points"
Much to be suspicious of here.
Even within football itself, no one ever criticizes a running back for being able to run the ball. They only complain when they can not. They do not point out that lack of being able to run with football can be offset by a remarkable ability to pass. It is the glaring elephant in the room about how no one even ever mentions that a running back can not read the defense or throw the ball with accuracy. It is if because most running backs are black, people don't even EXPECT that they can throw the ball.
Your analogies as to trying to connect criticism of tyrod to criticism of some of those who criticize tyrod to stereotypes that some uninformed people have about expat life fail any logic test. Not really up to just getting trolled but if you want to discuss living in SEA ..'start a thread in the non football forum and link me to it. This thread should be football centric.
18 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:Well shucks, mister. I really value your informed opinions on race relations in the United states and would hate to see you go. Quick question, do those who associate the Grateful Dead (and their fans) with peace, love, and tolerance for opposing views bother you. Since your borrowing one of their logos for your avatar pick, do you know what irony means, or are you just into cool pictures of skulls?
That actually is a cool avatar he has .... Deadhead Bill ....love it.
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2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:
All I'm going to say is there's certainly coded language (blue collar, etc) that goes with nearly every argument of the people who want Mayfield over Rosen.
That is sort of my thinking too ... and with Jackson two on the "pocket passer" stereotype
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1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
Just an FYI readers "friendly locals" = "young women available to old people".
Why am I with the attitude you might ask? Because of "Hi, I am the football fan in Cambodia, and lot's of y'all are racists by the way" is why.
Friendly locals means no such thing. It means that people are receptive to western foreigners as opposed to xenophobic. There are plenty of SEX tourists in Southeast Asia but Thailand is the main destination for that. Most are passing through rather than living here. Many are in their 30s ... not the old man stereotype. People who live hear tend to have wives within at least 10 hears their age, and live very simple lives. Life is good here, you should take your mind out of the gutter.
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39 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:
There are alot of Bills fans outside of Buffalo and the United States who feel that Tyrod was unfairly treated by the coaching staff and a portion of the local fan base and that the situation was not disimilar to what happened to Warren moon. The fact that the US president wants to build a wall around the country does not help this situation, especially from the perspective of fans abroad. Some local fans will deny that race has anything to do with it and try to silence any one who dares to raise the question of race, as well, largely because they don't identify as being racist, and are either unaware or refuse to ackknowledge the subtler ways that racism works. They don't speak for the entire local or international fan base, however. They are just the loudest and most sensitive. And I say sensitive because even the suggestion of racism makes them fly off the handle.
Thanks, I understand your point. The Tyrod benching was one of the most embarrassing days I can remember in recent Bills history. I understand how bad he was in preceeding weeks. but still .... I am generally optimistic about the McBean Era ... but this was a bad day for them.
I suspect we share the same sentiments as to current presidency although to be fair, the alternative was awful too. I won't say more here because we should keep it football specific.
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52 minutes ago, BuffaloSol said:
It's a shame you had to bring up race so early instead of just comparing players to other NFL QBS. I don't agree on the rankings I'd go D'arnold, Mayfield, Rosen, Allen, Jackson; but I do agree on most of the ceiling/floor comparisons except Allen's floor(not sure who) and ceiling(Aaron Rodgers) and Jackson's floor(RG3)
Race is an important topic as long as people do not rush to conclusions either way. As to Alle's floor ... I considered hackenbug but thought that too unfair
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53 minutes ago, PIP said:
Great to hear we have Bills fans way across the pond Bill wear that Buffalo proud!!!
Appreciate it. Thanks. Go Bills!
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34 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
Welcome aboard.
As you may have noticed being a lurker
Many who deem themselves "experts" cry the loudest when confronted with facts that prove them wrong. Expected retorts - moron, idiot, clueless, you offer nothing to this board, did I say idiot? Oh and Mrags should stay.
Me, I'm just a fan trying to bring color to conversations.
You didn't happen to work for Air America in the 80's did you?
Yeah ... it is the Internet so you anticipate meeting all types of people. This place is pretty opinionated (as it should be) but not as savage as other forums I have seen. In fact the Tyrod Saga was really the only ongoing divisive topic this year. I understood people saying we need better when it came to Tyrod .... but Nate Peterman a rookie 5th round pick ... still smh. Anyway it is water on the bridge ... but when I see the same arguments against Lamar Jackson, I cringe a little bit.
Never involved with Air America.
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1 hour ago, Scorp83 said:
I feel the same way... most people on here haven't done any research on these QB's... they'll hide behind their posts & pretty much copy what someone else have said that they would agree with in a negative light. When you read they're reasoning for not liking Jackson... it almost sounds like that haven't watch but 2 of his bad games ? .... then they come away hating the prospect. These posters your about to encounter will ignore the fact that Jackson improved greatly in almost every aspect at the QB position! They'll ignore that his completion got better, yet he threw the ball more, & he pass the ball first & only scrambled when he had too cause Louisville O-line sucked & they had hardly no WR's. He almost had nothing & ran a Bobby Petrino offense like a pro. This is why scouts like LJ... cause he's shown growth. Plus there's alot of growth left undeveloped. Imagine what he'll do when he gets drafted to a team a legit weapons... I can see him, KB & Zay Jones looking really good together. Those 2 are better then what he had at Louisville... but he didn't have them & still had eye popping games passing the ball.
Mayfield & Rosen are my too favorite though. Just because their not tight & close to the vest... they're human ... & show it! I'd rather have Mayfield cause I believe he's a culture changer... that's some the Bills definitely needs. He can adapt McBeane vision & add his own twist... similar what Joel Embiid has done with the 76ers. You need that type of player in your locker room.
While I rank Jackson as the #3 QB this year, I also think he is the most underrated. his pro day is on the 29th so that might at least get him some media buzz. I think it's crazy that nobody includes him in speculation of top QBs to be drafted.. Your point about his improvement year to year is a good one. On another thread on this board there was an interesting video demonstrating his ability to read coverage, multiple reads, and get the ball out. His throwing mechanics still need work (leg drive rather than relying on arm whip) but that is fixible. I see composure with this guy, not a panicked tuck and run guy, and tells me a lot.
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1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:
And some despise Mayfield because they hate little people!
Well I just compared D'Arnold to Dalton ..... maybe that means I am anti-redhead or "ginger" as folks from the UK call them.
I will need to contemplate this matter, after watching some Baker Mayfield video with Randy Neumann's "Short people" playing in the background.
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48 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:
I will parry your questions about racial and religious attitudes as deftly as my nom de plume Inigo Montoya swats aside the rapier thrusts of the Six Fingered Man, Count Rugen, as those questions can blow up a message board....
As to your other points, I agree that trading up to #2 will be too expensive, and I hope they keep their powder dry and pounce on any of the top QBs who might drop past the #3 spot. I've become a Josh Allen guy.
Yes. Sometimes to parry is often a wise decision when it comes to mentions of race, religion, or politics . Sometimes you will get intelligent discussion out of it ... most times not .. but still worth the effort IMHO. We agree on not overpaying for #2
46 minutes ago, mead107 said:Welcome
what took you to Cambodia? Do you get back to New York?
Thank you. .Business opportunity took me to Southeast Asia .... but mostly in Singapore and Jakarta. Increasing overheads due to properly boom and office and facility rentals tripling over one to two years caused me to decide I was pedaling too hard for too few miles so I retired early to here. Despite it's tragic history and bad image it is becoming an increasingly popular target for early retirees due to low cost of living, easy visa setup, and friendly locals. Petty crime and cleanliness are unfortunately other matters entirely. Fortunately the beaches and scenery of other nearby countries are only a 1 to 3 hour flight away, when I need a break. Not been back to New York in 10 years ... most family passed on and friends scattered now across USA. I hope to get back end of this year or early next to visit sister.
QBs, NFL Draft, Identity Politics (New Poster)
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Yes, Cam gets a hard time in Carolina and I think race is a big part of that. I admit, I was slow to warm to him as well, mostly because I saw him selfish and self servicing. That said he is a rrue franchise qb and it is laughable some "fans" think they might be better off with Derek Anderson.
I will let someone else answer your question about environment in Buffalo as I have not been there in around 20 years. Generally speaking .... politically ... upstate NY runs republican and NYC metro runs dem. I don't think it has any specific racist reputation, but some national media like Deadspin have raised the issue IIRC.
You guys need some WR help in Dallas. Hurts might help but Dez needed more help, particularly with Zeke out. What is the feeling on Dak these days? Is he still franchise savior or did the luster wear off after last year? I am thinking you could get a good young, barely USED QB from UPITT for him hehe.
Hmm, I guess then it would boils down to how you felt about Kaepernick who is mixed race.
If you hate only the black part of him you are probably racist
If you hate only the white part you are also racist
ff you hated both sides equally you are a bleeding heart equal opportunity liberal
Happy to solve that question for you.