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21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
The Bills need to acquire a WR who is not only capable of being a #1 but is a complete WR and has some experience in the NFL to help Allen. The Bills should also draft one relatively high with deep speed (2nd - 3rd ideally). I think Gruden is ripe to trade Cooper, who is eligible for the 5th year option and then will want big money. The Raiders have shown they are willing to trade talent they feel can be replaced in the draft or cheaper. I believe the Bills will need to trade for and pay - perhaps overpay in this current climate- to obtain a real WR at this point. I would also look to obtain a FA WR who is more of a #2 guy that another team won’t want to pay - ie Tyler Boyd. May need to overpay a bit there too but this is what bad teams sometimes need to do to get talent (Jacksonville has done this over the last few years). I would go into next year with Cooper, Boyd, Zay and a rookie as the top 4.
What would I give up for Cooper? A 3rd in 2020, 4th in 2019, Shaq Lawson. I saw rumblings that a just a 4th or 5th would get it done for the Raiders, maybe I’m overvaluing him but i don’t buy it. Gruden has been whining about fnding a pass rusher, Shaq is someone who he will have the ability to plug in and determine if he’s a guy they want, and has a 5th year option they can use since they won’t have Cooper’s. Bills and Raiders would basically be swapping 2015 draft picks.
The bottom line as I’ve said many times is that drafting a WR in the 1st is a crap shoot. I think they need to take a OT or Pass rusher with their 1st pick. Cooper is a top 10 talent who has been successful, maybe he’s not elite but those guys aren’t going to be available via trade or FA. You won’t get a big time FA WR to come to Buffalo who has options. Going to need to trade for one who has the talent to be a #1 and overpay a bit. We saw they were willing to work the trade for KB, that has not worked out but they saw the need and got who they could. He will be gone at the end of this season.
Thoughts?
Not a bad idea. Cooper to me is sort of a watkins 2.0 -- and I don't mean that in a good way. Worth a roll of the dice though if we could get him for Lawson or Bejamin + a mid rounder.
He has the speed and size but seems like a poor route runner to me.
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On 10/2/2018 at 5:51 AM, John from Riverside said:
Right now they are cleaning out the trash.....wont see it till next year I think
Yea --- I just hope Allen does not wind up in the trash heap as a broken down QB after his rookie year. Can he really survive 6 to 7 sacks a game -- physically and mentally.
No Mentor, No Real Backup to take pressure off, no line, no wr, no proper game planning.
A recipe for disaster
18 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:Sorry don't mean to group you all in together. I usually agree with your view. I'll stop calling people old fans. I remember the 90s, vaguely. I'm just tired of hearing about Polian. When you see him speak on ESPN, it's clear the game passed him by.
Not sure what qualifies as "öld" here. i am old enough to know that nfl history tends to run in cycles more than linearly so we can still learn a lot from the past.
Avoid believing in fads ---- it was just a few years ago the wildcat was going to redefine how the game was played hahaha
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6 hours ago, PUNT750 said:
Without Incognito the Bills OL has no push and no nastiness. Dawkins has regressed without Richie next door and Groy, who replaced Wood last season due to injury, can't even start anymore. All over about $3.5 mil in yearly cash earnings for a 3 time All-Pro who started all 49 games in that time period for the Bills. He was a physical & emotional leader.
No wonder Richie has had some freak-out sessions after his forced retirement! Crazy for the Bills and him!
B b b but --- we needed that 3.5 Million so we could get Corey Coleman for a week or 2
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On 10/1/2018 at 5:40 AM, Kelly the Dog said:
It's criminal. I don't blame them for KB. He was never this bad. But Zay is awful now. What does he do? What did he do? Holmes should have been cut. He was kept for ST. Foster is our #4. He didn't start in college and dropped more than he has caught. We don't have a 5. It's literally the worst ever. I defy you to find a 5 man overall group ever worse.
Not defending our WR, but I think Dallas might be worse now. Read someplace Cowboy fans wondering if they could get Benjamin on the cheap lol
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we should bring reid in to be a qb whisperer ........ for peterman
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22 hours ago, row_33 said:
It’s unheard of going 20 years in pro sports playing roughly 400 without sinking or rising to serious contending
The definition of mediocrity
10 hours ago, boater said:With the Green Bay debacle in the rear view mirror, I'm bumping this negative thread to the top.
In regard to OP: it's fine to play Allen. This is a free year for him to develop without the pressure of having to win.
OTH, stashing Allen on the bench for a year is more risky then starting him now. Stash him for a year will be putting him on a pedestal** and make his 2019 debut even more pressure packed and unforgiving.
10 hours ago, boater said:** don't put things on a pedestal: "you put your ____ on a pedestal"
Sure --- you spot start him and pull him when gets into game situations where he is being overwhelmed. Protecting your investment is not putting him on a pedestal. It is about managing the player's learning curve as well as fan expectations.
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16 hours ago, Fadingpain said:
Regarding pulling Allen for Nate, you answered your own question.
No, that's not an option.
Regarding the rookie QBs, Josh Rosen who should be a Bill had a terrific game today for a guy so green; he made a bunch of good throws and was playing, in general, at a level beyond what Allen has shown so far.
I did not like the Allen pick and wanted us to take Rosen at that spot, but that's not coloring my analysis.
There is like a 7 minute video showing all of Rosen's throws today; watch it. It speaks for itself.
Not sure I want to turn this into a referendum on whether Allen was the right pick or not. Personally I was happy enough with it --- they swung for the fences.
You do make a fair point about Rosen's performance yesterday. His stats were lackluster but he probably lost over 100 yards passing due to WR drops yesterday. It looked like Arizona WRs were copying Bills WRs yesterday.
FWIW, I always thought that Rosen was the most NFL ready of the QB prospects this year (even more than Darnold). My questions were more about his durability and upside, given his relatively limited athleticism and small frame.
Allen has loads more upside -- admittedly the bust factor is higher too.
Anyway, Allen is our guy now, and I simply want .to see him competently developed.
A lot of the problems yesterday were directly on Josh, but where were the game plan adjustments? Where is there another competent QB on the roster to help out when things go totally off the rails?
This is a wasted year so i don't really care about W-L that much. I can even live with yesterday's debacle, but what if this becomes a regular thing. Our top QB prospect since Kelly gets trashed physically and confidence wise, and our rather fickle fan base turns on him or writes him off. So what good is our wasted year?
Competent organization plan for and manage these contingencies.
Not seeing it with the Bills yet.
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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times ... (A Tale of Two Weeks).
FWIW, I am still on the Josh Allen band wagon, despite how lost he looked out there today @ GB.
Pettine did a fantastic job generating coverage pressure and sacks, while also taking away Allen's running game.
Allen was clueless to adjust -- which is expected for a rookie as raw as he was. Where was DaBoll with any meaningful half time adjustments? I know we got down early, but where was the running game after Q!?
Anyway, I am commenting on this thread, because I am so disgusted by the lack of contingency planning on the Bills.
Bad games from rookie QBs are to be expected, but Allen needed to be pulled today as he was clearly in over his head. Not only was his play awful, but he was getting killed by the Pass Rush out there ---- to the point I was generally concerned about injury.
By the 4th quarter, i had reached the point where I was hoping GB would extend their drives so that Allen would not be forced out there to get steam rolled yet again. Allen belonged on the sidelines, preferably with a vet mentor seeing him through his 1st disastrous day as a pro.
Unfortunately, inept Bills management has us boxed in (Is yanking him for Peterman really an option?).
On the bright side none of the rookie QBs really shined today. Even Mayfield (who put up big numbers) made some incredibly stupid turnovers. This is the nature of rookie QBs.
I will say it again : GET A VET QB/MENTOR IN ASAP
Don't leave Allen floundering like a caught fish in a boat. When things get twisted in any certain game, get him out before he gets hurt or has his confidence totally trashed.
I think the kid will eventually "get it"" .... but until he does he needs a co-driver to get him out of the nastier conditions.
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11 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Well --- I will date myself with this --- but since the vikings are the big bad purple team, i am going with this for his more famous leap:
"Purple Haze all in my Brain"
Lately things just dom't seem the same
Acting Funny and I don't know why
Excuse me (Mr Barr) While I Kiss the sky""
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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Frankly, the coaches should just sit him for 2 weeks and let it heal.
Remember when Fitz tried to play through broken ribs? He didn't exactly help the team for the next 2-3 games.
Give Murphy a better look too --- he has not looked all that bad
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15 hours ago, jethro_tull said:
personally not concerned. they need to pound the only rb on the team that doesnt need an o line to block for him- chris ivory
Speaking of the opposite of a quitter. Shady is a gamer and deserves all respect.
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13 hours ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:
So why did beane value this guy over ej Gaines again?
Nothing wrong with deciding ""Ït's time"" --- but choosing to do so mid-game is about as lame as it gets.
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On 8/18/2018 at 6:41 AM, ******* said:
Yeah he’s young yeah it’s preseason but yuck looks lost
I tend to agree with you but I think there are multiple issues here.
1) The biggest is that i think he is really out of position as an MLB expected to stop the run in a 4-3. To me he looks a lot better as a "twitchy" athlete who could help in the pass rush and still be rangy enough to disrupt in coverage and also in pursuit. A classic "thumper"with great ball instincts to diagnose and attack the ball carrier he is not. He seems more of an OLB to me.
2) He is being force fed a lot in terms of responsibilities (diagnosing and communicating defensive adjustments). That is hard enough as a rookie and even more hard when your natural instincts and strengths are not well matched with what you are being expected to do on the field in your current role.
3) The loss of Preston Brown (who took a home town discount in Cincinnati) necessitated a new MLB --- we had nobody. Perhaps this situation will benefit him long term, but right now he is undergoing the same learning process Allen is, and is not being schemed to play to his natural strengths.
I still think the kid is a unique talent, but right now is a bit "square peg, round hole". I wonder if the Bills will be better off moving hims outside next year and getting a more instinctive "traditional"MLB to play inside.
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6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Frazier might be demoted on a permanent basis. Bad move by McDermott if so as he has enough to focus on as the HC on game days.
I feel sad for supposedly knowledgeable fans to be screaming for Frazier''s head now. Frazier is one of the best secondary coaches in the NFL and I think quite likely contributed to T White's fast development as well as the excellent play of Hyde and Poyer since they joined. We are fortunate to have him.
Play calling is a different matter. Coaches develop tendencies just as players do, which can be exploited. In Frazier's case it is slightly worse because he comes from a more conservative (Predictable) Tampa 2 Background. He needed to change things up and in this case MacD did it for him.
This does not mean Frazier is a bum, any more than saying Andy Reid is a bum because he fell into a play calling rut and decided to delegate play calling.
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35 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
They are both zones but Tampax relies on 2 deep safties and players just making plays, kinda like Wandstooge did.
Frazier is a good football mind but he still relies on the overly conservative approach from his days as a Tampa 2 guru. It makes sense in some ways as the Bills are most talented at the safety position. Unfortunately he became too predictable and you REALLY need a strong front 4 pass rush for the Tampa 2 to be effective. While the Bills do not run a Tampa 2 they retain a lot of it's characteristics and conservative nature.
MacD's Cover 3 approach drops CBs back into zone but not as deep allowing better run support and more Pass rush support from LBs and Safeties. This team needed a spark in terms of getting to the QB and the play calling changes seem to have worked.
Time will tell if this was success based on surprising the Chargers with unanticipated looks or whether it can become more permanent.
I do like the idea of Lorenzo as a pass rushing DE --- sure he is undersized for that position -- but he makes up for that with balls to the wall effort.
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36 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
Really liked what I saw the game wasn’t to big for him just keeps needing more and more reps with his receivers
There is so much to criticize ---- 2 interceptions (the 1st being particularly ugly), horrible ball placement limiting yac, ugly duck throws (like the complete to Jones), misread blitzes, decision making in general .......
But you watch the kid play and it is obvious he is a total gamer. He is also only 22 years old. He has the raw material to grow into a special player.
I am very much in the bring him along slowly camp and am very critical of Bills management of not having a vet QB to mentor him and serve as nominal starter until Josh is ready.
That said I enjoy watching the kid. It is only one game, but he does not have the sane deer in the headlights look that Peterman gets.
I took more positive out of this game than negative.
As long we can keep him healthy .... those sacks added up pretty healthy.
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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:
I wonder if they saw something with Richie that forewarned what was coming
Fair point -- you never know.
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Just now, oldmanfan said:
That would have been my preference as well. Too bad Wood and Richie has their issues. It would be nice if the guys in the middle of the line sucked up a little pride.
Even Ritchie was partially self inflicted. His meltdown might have happened this year anyway, but our needless low-balling of him (While handing out piles of $$$ to Star and Trent) clearly contributed to his emotional instability.
Wood was just injury bad luck.
Groy, Miller, Bodine, and Ducasse all appear to be replacement level players and cannot be trusted with protecting a young franchise QB project.
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10 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
Question. Is it not correct that, to get the protection and nurturing you want, they would have used all their picks on other players and hence would not have drafted the guy you want protected and nurtured?
Different ways to build teams of course.
Actually I am ok with their draft. We could have done more on the OL but I am happy with the Edmunds and Philips picks and we certainly had glaring needs at those areas as well.
It is just that if you do not have enough talent on the OL or WR units there is no point in rushing the kid's playing time THIS year. He needs time to develop. Spot him here and there, but do not throw him to the wolves when there is little upside to that choice
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9 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:
Ok, this is a bit odd. Unless we are running a lot of TEs.
Vote of confidence in Zay Jones?
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1 hour ago, x-BillzeBubba said:
Poor Browns... they were really high on him
I'll let myself out
haha --- superbowl dreams up in smoke.
According to MacBeane "We will continue to look through the weeds in our search for top quality talent. We shall leave no stone unturned. Building a roster is not pot luck. "
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On 9/13/2018 at 9:39 AM, Doc said:
I'm not missing any point. Allen is the future at QB. Get him playing time. Peterman looked like he earned the starting job in pre-season so they gave him a chance. He failed miserably. Even if McCarron were here, I'd still turn to Allen because he's potentially a franchise QB whereas the other guys are not. There is no need for someone to "absorb snaps" while getting the team nowhere in terms of wins or developing the high-pick QB.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then. From my perspective, protecting and nurturing a possible Franchise QB candidate is THE single most important thing. We invested a ton to get to a high enough 1st round pick to get him. It is up to us to see that he is properly developed and put into situations where he can likely succeed.
TBH, I know we going to have a bad year this year but I am not even all that stressed about how bad our def looks now. Sort it out next year.
All I want is to see is proper management and grooming of the highest QB prospect we have drafted in ages.
We are a bad team -- we cannot just throw him out there sink or swim.
We are not off to a good start, with only 2 QB on our roster and one of them is Peterman
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2 hours ago, The Process said:
somebody remove this garbage........................
Agreed ....where are the monitors....take this crap down!
Sorry Snowflake,
Getting thrown to the wolves is a common description and a very apt one given how the front office is mismanaging Josh Allen's intro into the league.
Had I posted a real wolf attack you would have a valid point as it would be as gory as hell.
As anyone who looks at the video can see .... it is totally staged. A handler releases them at the beginning of the video and they are clearly after food he is handling. There is not a drop of blood in the whole video and and the animals jump off quite quickly. Not sure the original source but i think it comes from one of those stupid things people do shows.
And yes it does reflect my fears about what Allen is going to have to go through this season. Thrown to the wolves.
Previously I posted a GIF of Forrest Gump running and captioned it "Run Josh Run --- for your life which also captures my fears of what he has to look forward to this season.
Humor is a personal matter. I could care less if you disliked the wolf gif. I Just think it is way OTT for someone to be demanding deletions and imposing what they like or dislike on everyone else.
Peace Out
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Josh wonders where his OL is
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The Organizational Incompetence of the Buffalo Bills
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Meh, Tony Sparano became the wildcat guru in that era with Ronnie Brown. Some novelty plays. Hardly redefined the game lol.
After that it was the Pistol offense that was going to take over. A lot of teams use it but in very small percentages.