Seventeen
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57 minutes ago, The Wiz said:
I know Sauce was getting trashed for his lack of effort on the TD and "tweet and delete" but he did the same thing earlier in the game also. Just tried to hand tackle Shakir. Maybe he's afraid of Shakir for some reason.
Deion couldn't tackle either but Sauce ain't no Prime.
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4 minutes ago, NewEra said:
He would suck but he engineered Gw drives against us in 2 of the last 3 games. Yesterday was his worst game I can remember by far. No shock that it was behind an OL of depth players. Dude never had a chance all day
True - he has occasional flashes of brilliance but not enough to warrant continuing as a starter. Will be interesting to see what the Jets do with him if Rodgers
plays next year.
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26 minutes ago, NewEra said:
For sure.
to be fair to the jets QB, their OL IS ravaged by injuries is such a terrible way. Tippman is really the only starter worthy player on their OL rn.
No need to be fair - Wilson would suck if he had a decent offensive line.
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Hey Sauce ...
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20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
I dont know. To me it almost looks like he simply wasnt smart/experienced enough to run most of Dabol's playbook, so he trimmed it down to what he did know and understand, and could kind of teach, and that left us with the "pop warner" scheme and play calling we've seen this year. Not sure he was trying to prove anything as much as he was just trying to keep his head above water.
I doubt he trimmed it down as McD & Josh for sure would've noticed. More likely to me is he doesn't use most of Daboll's playbook as either he doesn't understand when to use it or doesn't feel it stacks up against the defense of the week.
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10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
I dont think it's an "attack" on Josh. It isnt unfair or unreasonable to say he needs to play better. I believe he said as much himself today. But he isnt the main problem. And even so, you can't fire Josh.
That said, while Warner is making his "defense" of Dorsey, he is also saying things the entire time like "Now, I dont like this play here", "It's tough to run this play against this defense", "Not a good concept, I agree", "Not great options on this play", so... yeah.
Yes, they are largely the same plays we ran against Miami, Washington, Vegas, Tampa, etc. That's the problem. Everyone knows what is coming now. Almost every clip Warner showed was extremely well covered. Because they knew exactly what was coming. Just like I did in my previous post.
Maybe attack was the wrong word ...
In defense of Josh, Orlovsky tweeted today that only 3 of his 11 picks were his fault. I didn't see if the 3 were identified.
If everyone knows what's coming now, either the playbook is not deep enough or Dorsey was calling routine repetitive plays that are easily read and defended. If the latter is the case, why not just go to Dorsey and tell him to mix it up so everything is not telegraphed. Obviously there are more factors than that, i.e. quality of defense, injuries, etc but the simple answer is to mix it up. If Josh is now throwing into tight windows, why are those windows so tight ? Surely this could've been discovered on film study a few weeks ago.
ETA - Dorsey would have had Daboll's playbook to work with starting last year so I find it hard to believe he scrapped it and started over.
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3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
I'm 7min into a video called "In Defense of Dorsey" and so far all I've seen is a poorly organized unit trying to run poorly designed plays.
Yes, Josh needs to play much better. But he's been getting no help.
That's the one - what I took away was Warner saying a few times he wasn't attacking Josh in favor of Dorsey ... but at multiple times, Warner calls Josh impatient or late and demonstrates how the plays are supposed to work. So it really was an attack on Josh IMO.
I don't know enough about play design to call them a "poorly organized unit running poorly organized plays".
But aren't these the same plays we ran against Miami, Washington & Las Vegas ?
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3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:
I dont fancy myself an Xs and Os guy. Especially on Offense. And especially with modern NFL Offenses.
That said, over the past couple weeks I've watched:
1. the JT O'Sullivan breakdown of the Tampa game
2. the Cover1 breakdown of the Tampa game
3. a couple other Cover1 videos from this season
Maybe 2-3 hours worth of watching unofficial videos of guys who are knowledgeable but still mostly guessing on what is happening on the field.
From that alone, this past Monday Night, I was able to tell my wife exactly what play the Bills were running and exactly what routes the WRs would be running a number of times.
And I dont know JACK SQUAT!Every DC has us figured out. Every defensive player should have us figured out.
That alone is grounds for firing Ken Dorsey.
Did you watch Warner's Studyball breakdown ?
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Excellent article backed up by actual statistics.
Send it to Terry so he can use it as the rationale for firing McD after this season.
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8 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:
Having a temper is one thing. Being energetic, upbeat and inspiring is another. Daboll was described as a ball buster and very engaging. Sal also said Joe Brady is more like Daboll than Dorsey and is a very engaging guy.Awesome - Brady's fun at parties but can he run this offense ? Time will tell if he's the Brady we saw @ LSU or the Brady that failed in Carolina.
2 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:Jerry Sullivan was the last guy who asked tough questions and the Bills baned him from post game interviews. He was a jerk though, glad he was bounced.
No tough questions allowed. Let's admit the national sports media to our press conferences and see how it goes.
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4 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:
I listened this morning and thought he had an interesting insight about Josh’s mental/emotional state. Sal compared Daboll’s personality to Dorsey’s and suggested the whole offense has taken on Dorsey’s flat-line emotional state, as opposed to Daboll’s firey personality. It make a lot of sense and is the first logical thing I’ve heard that explains Josh’s change in demeanor.
Dorsey's a flat-liner ???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw_p61ONzw4
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Here's hoping that Josh humiliates Sauce Gardner and the 'D' nullifies Rodgers' December comeback proposal.
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1 minute ago, Chaos said:
McDermott knows what the difference is between weeks 2-4, and the no rythm offense since then.
It's a mystery to me then as to why Dorsey would change what was working.
In my mind, any momentum gained in the Fins game was lost next day Tre was confirmed lost, the Bills arrived in London too late the next week, and losing Milano in that game.
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3 minutes ago, Augie said:
I would hope everyone watching, but I’m not in control of that. I’m not a Josh hater by ANY means, but we rarely seem in synch these days. There are a lot of factors involved, many we know nothing about.
The obvious question McD should have asked himself before canning Dorsey was what is the difference between the offense in weeks 2-4 and the last few weeks.
Was it Dorsey's fault or poor execution on the field of a sound game plan ?
And you're right, there are likely factors both on and off the field that we'll never know about.
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14 minutes ago, Augie said:
Now we are changing the subject I was referring to.
Back to your subject - on whom did Josh's questionable decisions leave an impression ?
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1 hour ago, Augie said:
“But other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?”
I’d argue that some of the questionable decisions are not always clearly reflected in the stats, but they still leave an impression.
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Your argument is valid but Josh was not on the field for the punt return against the Jets, Mac Jones turning into Johnny Unitas, or last night's debacle with the Taron PI call and 12 men on the field.
At a minimum, the Bills should be 7-3, maybe 8-2 despite Josh's turnovers.
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37 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:
Expect Allen to get close to 20 picks this year. Think about that!
If we make the playoffs, who cares ? Just for reference and in one less game, Mahomes has 8 and Tua 7.
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12 minutes ago, 90sBills said:
Who does Mahomes have outside of Kelce that’s better than Davis? I agree Burrow has crazy weapons.I'd argue that Rice is having a better year than Gabe. And Mahomes stats are a little worse than Josh's this year x/c for INTs.
17 minutes ago, Success said:That is true. But the offense has undoubtedly taken a step back under Dorsey. And this year, we upgraded the line, the running game, and added Kincaid.
The offense shouldn't be struggling like it is. Allen has regressed - but that doesn't happen in a vacuum either.
For someone that has regressed, his stats certainly don't make that obvious other than the INTs.
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2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
The coaching makes a bigger difference than the weapons, as evidenced by KC's #1 WR being an elderly Tight End.
Both Mahomes & Burrow have alternatives - Josh has Diggs.
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1 minute ago, NewEra said:
No, it’s not. Add Milano, Daquan, Tre, Hyde and Benford.
But I’m with you. I don’t think the year is shot. I believe we can and will likely make the playoffs. We needed a big shakeup though. Dunno if this will fix us for certain but i do believe the season was likely over if we had kept Dorsey.
Injuries all on 'D' - if the offense had held up their part of the bargain, some of the games would have gone to us.
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2 minutes ago, 90sBills said:
I got a lot of crap for saying this very same thing this offseason. But I still thought he’s #2 behind Mahomes. Now I’m not so sure. He’s not driven to be better. Burrow has established that he’s #2. Allen might be out of the top 3 qb’s conversation by the end of the season if he keeps playing like this.Is that Allen's fault or the comparable lack of weapons around him ? How would Mahomes or Burrow be doing with our offense ?
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3 minutes ago, DapperCam said:
Those games were before the injuries on defense.
True, but most games are won if the offense scores 37+ points and we would have won all of the lost games scoring 30+.
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15 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:
There is. Dorsey was Josh's pick for OC. They had a buddy to buddy relationship and not a mentor relationship he had with Daboll. Josh has played like crap. Is it him or the scheme. Now that the year is shot, time to find out.
Not sure why folks think the year is shot ? 10-7 should get them in - Miami got in last year @ 9-8. This team is still the team that blew out the Raiders, Commanders & Dolphins minus a little confidence. That team can beat anyone in the league and we've lost 5 games by a grand total of 23 points.
Hopefully Brady can get the offense back to that mindset and the Bills go on a roll.
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50 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:
Dorsey gets fired bc:
1: Cook cant hold onto the ball
2: Davis cant hold onto the ball.
3: Josh throws into double coverage
4: Josh drops a handoff on the ground
5: Def (which was stellar) commits PI at end of game
6: Def (which was stellar) has 12 men on the field.
Sounds like players arent executing to me.
Can we fire John Butler to not teaching our corners to turn around and find the ball ?
Breaking: Jets QB Zach Wilson being benched for Tim Boyle
in The Stadium Wall
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Joe Douglas bending Woody's ear no doubt and Woody telling Saleh to play him until it was obvious.