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It's a much better mindset than Whaley, who was always trying to get what he thought was the missing piece to a playoff team.
The team played over their heads last year. There were at least a couple recent Bills teams with more talent. Accomplishing as much as they did with this roster is a good sign for the future. Culture matters more in football than in any other sport and they have done a great job of laying their foundation.
So nice to have confidence/faith in the shot callers.
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He is an extremely impressive guy. McGill is 1 of the best schools in Canada. Completing his MD there on top of the demands of NFL football is incredible.
I was really hoping the Bills would draft him but I never expected him to end up as good as he is.
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The more roster holes that can be plugged with guys outside the comp pick formula, the better. I think the fact that Bean has been in on both Ivory and Davis says they want to be on the right side of it this year if at all possible.
Ivory's style makes for a good contrast to Shady and it would be a short term deal so I'm not worried about the ages. I still expect 2 rookies. 1 drafted, 1 UDFA.
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3 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:
I quoted the original post I was referring to, when I told somebody to "learn to watch football"
Claiming he was "outplayed by kupp" because kupp had better stats at the end of the year
I was pointing out that Sammy was very important to that offense, moreso than kupp, even if the end of year #s didn't show it, and most of kupp/woods #s came from Sammy (and gurley obv) spacing the field
I don't disagree with what you're saying that he might not have lived up to the full potential that they wanted, but my point was to act like he was a lesser impact on offense than the receivers whom he opened up the field for based solely on end of year yardage/receptions was completely false if the people actually watched the film.
Sammy was a very key part of the #1 scoring offense on the NFL
He was a bigger part than kupp
No he wasn't on obj/brown level, but he wasn't the hot garbage hyperbole people make him out to be
You got me with the bolded. Fair enough. I still don't think most fans would argue Kupp>Watkins. He was drafted with the expectation of being on the elite level ala OBJ/Brown and I think that colors expectations a bit as well. If he was drafted 28th people wouldn't be as hard on him.
So how about that Vontae Davis signing...
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5 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:
The production is there in the case.
Stat sheets for a single player do not show their true worth many times.
It's one reason why a player with seemingly worse statistics wins an MVP, or why you can't build a team based on fantasy football statistics.
Claiming Watkins was a worse wr than kupp based solely on his statistics is absurd, and proves my point that, in this case, I am positive this person did not watch any footage/games with Watkins on the Rams.
He drew double coverages on the outside, would be stacked next to kupp and draw the double on a deeper slant, leaving kupp wide open underneath.
The Rams system rotates receivers though multiple positions on the field and doesn't focus one guy.
I actually provided a very good article which breaks down exactly how valuable Watkins was to them, that it's beyond box numbers.
I'll use the Bills as an example, 2002 eric moulds and peerless price had almost identical yardage, with price having a higher ypc.
Moulds was a legit #1 who drew doubles, price had it easy on the other side.
He went to Atlanta and was barely average.
Why?
He didn't have anybody to draw coverage.
A top talent wr eats coverages, leaving the other guys open.
That's a fact.
If you don't know that, then you don't watch football, or don't know what you're watching, which proves my statement of "learn to watch football"
Has to do with facts, not ego.
You'll have to show me where anybody has said the bolded. That kind of hyperbole/extrapolation makes discussion difficult. Watkins is an extremely talented player. I don't think anybody disputes that. Certainly more talented then Kupp. The problem is, at this point, he is unrealized talent.
No, stats sheets do not show a players entire value. Of course not. However, you cannot simply ignore them at a position like WR. Do you really believe the Rams thought they were trading for a field spacer/coverage eater with little production? Nobody values that at a 2nd round pick +. Great, he draws a double team most of the time. So does the #1 receiver on every team in football. Why does he have so much trouble producing vs other top WR's? A top WR talent produces, regardless of coverage. That's a fact. Do OBJ/Evans/Brown/a dozen other #1 WR not face these impenetrable defences?
He might still reach his potential but it's perfectly fair to wonder if it will ever happen. Every year that passes it becomes less likely. At this point, outside of about a 10 game stretch, he's been no more than average over a 4 year career. 4 years is not a small sample size.
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4 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:
Learn to watch football.
Watkins stretched the field for them and drew multiple players in coverage.
He's the reason kupp and woods had so much free space.
A player's impact on a game goes far beyond just the stat sheet (this goes both positively and negatively for many guys, such as tyrod holding the ball too long lowers his ints which looks good on paper but actually isn't that great during a game)
Watkins helped that offense tremendously .
Feel free to read this link below from a Rams' analyst, instead of a from the perspective of a Bills fan who probably didn't watch a single Rams game.
He has another article that he's not sure the Rams offense scheme requires a true #1 wr, so they might still let Sammy walk, but that's not because of his talent
(For the record, I am not upset we traded Sammy, as Gaines played great for us and we have another second round pick this year from it. To act like Sammy isn't an impact wr though is just wrong)
I love the ego on fans that tell others to 'learn to watch football'. Get over yourself. You have no idea the knowledge/experience of who you are talking to. The assumption that you're a more intelligent fan is hilarious.
As to the rest, please. The Rams traded a player + a 2nd for a 1 year rental who their scheme uses as a decoy or field stretcher. LMAO. Not bloody likely. They thought they were getting a potential #1 or a #2 at worst. Once again, Sammy came up short of expectations. Think the Rams make the trade again with the benefit of hindsight? After all, he did what he was supposed to. What more could they want?
Potential without production is meaningless.
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I keep seeing this line of thought pop up but it ignores 1 major issue. They were never going to let dead-man-walking Doug Whaley choose the teams next franchise QB.
They want their people to have an opportunity to properly evaluate the prospects before they tie their career to one. Basing the biggest decision a franchise makes on information from a bunch of people on the way out the door is dumb.
Instead, they made sure to give themselves the necessary ammo this year, once they have had a chance to do their own evaluations.
Maybe Mahomes/Watson end up being studs. The Bills picking them was never a realistic option.
Peter King:. Monday 4-16-18 column.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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He says he can't find a spot for Rosen in the top 6. Trade with Tampa sounds good to me and a hell of a lot cheaper.