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No offensive line, no defensive line, no cb outside of White, no WR talent. NO CHANCE.
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6 minutes ago, eball said:
Nate Orchard and Robert Thomas both active. Only 4 active WRs. Interesting.
Dont need more than 4 wideouts. Logan Thomas can split out as well as clay. I feel having both of them on the field at once for RPO’s is our best possible strategy.
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Reasons to sign Kaep - Bills will be the talk of the entire nation. Bills jersey sales will break records. Kaep is better than Peterman. Kaepernick is also mobile. We’d get to see videos of stupid people burning Bills jerseys. Because it would be awesome.
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Man, I’ve tried a couple of times to add some small glimmer of positivity to these boards in the last few days but the cloak of darkness that are your average Bills fans have quickly swallowed that hope whole and flushed it down the toilet.
You guys are damn depressing. If I keep reading these responses I’m going to need a therapist ??
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The Bills were crushed by the Ravens in Week one in ultra embarrassing fashion. There is no denying that.
Reminder: Just last season the Bills had a 3 week stretch of putrid showings from Week 9 - Week 11:
Loss at NYJ 34-21
Loss vs NO 47-10
Loss at LAC 54-24
Sometimes in the NFL you get your ass handed to you - especially when talent is a question mark. After that stretch the Bills finished the year 4-2 to earn their first playoff birth in 17 years...and the 2 losses in that 6 game stretch were both to New England.
Don’t give up on this team quite yet.
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39 minutes ago, Mickey said:
Was the plan to get a franchise QB, trade away the seasoned, accomplished veteran who could have mentored him and have his reps split three ways in practice with two guys who have no future in this league? If so, McD nailed it, stuck the landing, 10.0 from the Russian judge.
I want to trust the process but I can't pretend that this is looking good or build an argument subtle enough to delude me in to thinking this is all good.
Mentors are a dime a dozen and IMO Tyrod isn’t the guy who’s game I’d want Allen to use as a model.
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12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
While I'm not to the point to demand to "stick my fingers in both their palms nail holes",
I must admit some of the luster has worn off.
Same. I agree we are seeing some guys learning and making mistakes but the overall plan I do understand. Get younger, draft elite talent where you can get it. Build a culture. Don’t overpay for low effort players. That said some mistakes have been made and signees aren’t working out how we’d have hoped. Sometimes though that’s what you get when you bargain shop.
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6 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:
Williams had a plan
Mularkey had a plan
Buddy Nix had a plan
Dick Jaruron had a plan
Chan Gailey had a plan
Tom Donahoe had a plan
Doug Marrone had a plan
Doug Whaley had a plan
Rex had a plan
And now these guys have a plan.
I started out with these guys off the band wagon until I saw reason to get on. I did last year. Another start by Nasty Nate and I'm back off til I see reason to get back on.
I thought we had found guys that didn't need to gut the team in order to get all new guys in order to get close to .500 when they get fired in 2 to 3 years.
It's a results business. Show me some results this year.
Disgusting list of guys with plans in this response. I for the record didn’t hold much belief in any of them.
18 minutes ago, yungmack said:A dead cap situation they contributed to mightly.
Better dead cap clearing soon than dead weight with the team for years to come.
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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Is that going to be the excuse this next season?
There were FA OLmen other than Bodine available.
There were Olmen in the draft.
Our FO made choices. Different choices were possible.
You can endorse their choices as "lumps to build a winner", but the fact is, they made choices that excluded options that were available, and their choices are open to being questioned as good choices in view of current data.
Certainly not - there will be no excuses next year. I can’t foresee another offseason with your 2 best OL retiring unexpectedly. The Bills will have had plenty of time to come up with plans A, B, C & D in FA and the draft to help protect Allen up front. I do think that will be a top priority in year 2.
What I find interesting is if they are forced to go Allen in week 2 how does that change things? I wouldn’t be at all shocked to see them start looking at FAs or even trades to protect their future. I don’t think any of them wanted Allen in there right now. Certainly not this early but really almost not at all.
2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:correct. Vontae 1 year, $5M, $3M guaranteed. EJ Gaines 1 year, $4M, $1.4M guaranteed.
Isnt Gaines hurt again already? Hopefully Vontae just needs a bit more time but honestly the moment I saw him run I felt man does he look old out there.
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1 minute ago, DCOrange said:
I agree that McBeane have a plan and that it was probably always a 3-4 year plan. I respect that and am willing to wait and see how next offseason goes since it will be a huge one for them considering the cap space they'll finally have available.
HOWEVER, it's impossible to look at the moves that Beane has made as GM and not come away at least significantly nervous about him. Setting the draft picks aside since they're basically all TBD at the moment, here's a recap of pretty much all of the significant moves he's made:
Sammy for Gaines/2nd: Will boil down to how Allen/Edmunds turn out (I can't remember which guy they used this pick to trade up for). It would obviously be nice right now to have a good WR though.
Ragland for a 4th: TBD
Darby for Matthews & Harrison Phillips: Looks like a loss, but depends on Phillips
Russell Bodine: Couldn't even beat out Groy
Corey Coleman: Basically just lit $3 million on fire and are now paying him to play for the Patriots.
McCarron: Sucks so bad that we're stuck with Peterman or the option of killing Allen
Benjamin Trade: Looks awful right now
Vontae: Signed for more (if I remember right) money than EJ Gaines (a good starter) and he's a healthy scratch.
Trent Murphy: Looks bad/injury issues
Star: Was a bad signing from the get-go. Add in the fact that they moved Dareus' contract to have the ability to sign Star to an even worse contract...
Ivory: one of the most expensive backup RBs in the league and he's not even the primary backup.It's a pretty horrible track record at the moment, and we're entrusting this guy to spend a ton of money this offseason.
This stuff I can get on board with. I’m not happy with some of these fill in players. But IMO I don’t think these guys are here to be the future. I think each of them has a role to play and the goal was to stay competitive enough to not be a disservice to the city while the transition/rebuild happens. The Darby trade is one that stands out to me as poor but these things unfortunately happen when regimes are constantly changing. That’s just how things always seem to go in the NFL.
For that hat reason I also choose to air on the side of wait and see at this point.
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10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
You lost me right there. That's an oxymoron.
If a plan can't change to reflect critical new information or altered circumstances, it's a bad plan and deserves to be criticized, not given accolades like "wise" etc.
There just wasn’t much there as options IMO. You could have kicked the tires perhaps on some guys or overpaid for people that wouldn’t be in the long term plans of the future and would result in dead cap later with questionable results I suppose but sometimes you have to take some lumps to build a winner.
Would you you rather have Edmunds and his elite looking level talent or would you rather the Bills have stayed put and taken a shot at a center and a guard with their next couple of picks? I personally want the dude who looks like he’s going to be elite for the next decade. I’m a BPA guy over a need guy in instances like this.
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2 minutes ago, Jobot said:
So what's the defenses excuse??
Talent. It takes time. Unloading that Dareus contract was a start but all that dead cap is brutal right now. Once its freed up more I expect the Bills to get a lot of mid level pieces combined with some nice draft maneuvering. This defense needs to get younger. So some of it is talent. The rest was exhaustion. It’s hard to compete when your offense doesn’t get a single first down to give you a moment to breathe in the entire first half.
Baltimore also won the battle of play calling early. The coaches did also fail but it’s one game. Players sometimes get out played and coaches sometimes get out coached. I saw both happen.
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Just now, dave mcbride said:
I like the Browns and hope they win 8 games. They won't, though; Cincy, Baltimore, and Pitt are a lot better than them. They will win a couple-few games, however.
That division is brutal.
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8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
The Browns couldn't win a game in which they were +5 in tnurnovers. Since the browns re-entered the league in 1999, teams that are +5 in TOs are 132-4-1. Of those 4 losses, 2 are by the Browns. The one tie is of course the Browns too.
Thats a Tyrod Taylor led offense for you. Like I said earlier - with that stellar defense if the Browns trot out Mayfield and he’s even half decent they will win a lot of games this year. Also - let’s not act like they didn’t earn those turnovers with Denzel Ward and Myles Garret both looking like super stars and let’s also not pretend that the Steelers aren’t one of the top teams in the AFC that they just went toe to toe with.
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3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
Dude, the Browns are a TERRIBLE model. They have been basement-level horrible for forever--one of the worst runs in the history of modern US team sports. In Europe, they would have been relegated years ago and never made it back. Never say that again.
Im not talking Browns historically. I’m talking transition from 0-16 last year to likely a playoff team or competing heavily for a playoff spot this year. Rams did something similar a couple years ago.
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37 minutes ago, Chemical said:
What would it take for you to turn on either of them? I'm seriously asking.
A fair question. More than one week of poor football in year 2 of their tenure immediately after ending our 17 year playoff drought, that much is for sure.
More specifically I’d say - Allen to show he’s a bust alone would be enough for me to turn on them. If Allen pans out then I’d have to start looking at how future cap space and draft capital is used.
I understand people wanting desperately to win now but anyone who thought this was a playoff team by the time Wood and Incognito left were dilusional. What we are seeing now is blowout loss hysteria and nothing more. Between Allen, Edmunds and White we look to have potentially 3 perennial pro bowlers that could be the faces of this team for the next decade. I’m curious to see how much the roster can continue to grow in young talent next year.
Do i I selfishly wish more would have been done to “win now” along the OL, sure I do. But I can understand from a business and big picture perspective why they chose to try and live with what we had for one year.
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15 minutes ago, DougFlutie7 said:
NOBODY SHOULD EVER DOUBT BRANDON BEANE!!!!! Lol. Say that out loud to yourself and try not laughing. Embarrassing post.
If I said “ever” I’d agree with you. But after week 1 - during what is clearly a transitioning period with a new rookie QB on offense and a new rookie QB of the defense. Both of which thus far look really good. I don’t think that is wise.
I find it embarrassing when people add words to posts as to change their meaning to make fake worthless points.
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I’m not even going to bother with those incapable of showing proper respect or at least courtesy to other forum members.
That said, I stand by my OP. I’m not claiming anyone is God’s Gift to football but I do like some of the young players. I think next year we will be competitive though not great and the year after we are a playoff team if they keep things rolling as they have been.
Right now there are too many pieces to fill. McCoy won’t be here beyond next year IMO. The Bills will get some pieces via draft and FA. To score big on both Edmunds and Allen like I feel we have and to get a long term contributor in Phillips like I feel we have in one draft is phenomenal.
Also because there was a Tyrod mention. Tyrod had a very long time to throw last year before taking off. Tyrod doesn’t see the field and or doesn’t trust his eyes. He has so few turnovers because he rarely takes any chances and rarely throws the ball down the field. That’s why he rarely throws for over 150 yards in any game. Tyrod is serviceable as a backup or on teams that want to ground and pound and win with defense. IMO Cleveland wins week 1 over Pittsburgh if they have Baker in over Tyrod but now we are getting off topic.
The Browns are a great example though. They are going the route of some of the better organizations. The Rams a few years back are another example. A team wins only a few games for one or two years. Gets building blocks for the future, stays the course and then the future is bright for the next decade. I see the Bills going in that direction right now, but hopefully with some more wins.
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These guys have a plan. Unfortunately though sometimes plans can be thrown off the rails by uncontrollable occurrences and even the best laid plans burn to ashes.
When the Bills were scouting throughout 2017 they knew they were happy with their interior OL and they knew they wanted to get this team it’s new Franchise Quarterback while also trying to fill a massive hole at middle linebacker. The Bills made moves to make that happen.
Unfortunately the first bomb fell and blew apart the process when Eric Wood’s post season diagnosis and resulting retirement came to be. Looking over the roster though the Bills felt decent about how Groy performed in his absence and brought in Bodine as insurance. OKAY, fine. Understandable. We still have Richie, a promising prospect in Dawkins and draft capital to add more pieces without mortgaging the future.
Then another shock ripples through the plan and breaks it to pieces. Incognito literally loses his mind and renigs on his restructured deal all the way into retirement. Now what? At this point the Bills again, and wisely decided to stick to the plan. Draft your future at QB and draft your leader on defense who already looks like he has stardom in his future. If there is one villain in this story it is certainly Incognito but as he’s faded into the shadows of the Twitter-verse and out of relevance the blame fingers had to find somewhere else to point.
Going into next year the Bills have young talent emerging, they have some draft capital and they have a heck of a lot of cap space being freed up to build a heck of a football team for years to come.
Unfortunately this year could be painful. They couldn’t have planned for Richie to lose his mind and chose to stay the course rather than trying to compete on the FA market for replacements which could impact future cap plans/space. Sure there were some misfires - Davis appears to be one and the jury is still out on Star.
The FA market right now isn’t exactly a shining beacon of light when it comes to offensive line talent. I don’t think they ever meant to phone in this season. I believe they very much so want to win but I also believe they see the big picture and if I had to guess they know that the Pegulas share their vision and are committed to them beyond this year.
I believe Beane and McD are constantly evaluating & constantly looking to improve the team but not at the expense of the bigger picture. If we have Wood & Incognito I think we are worlds better than we are right now. I think that makes our offense immediately competent. It’s eye opening to discover exactly how important the big guys along the inside of your OL are when you don’t have any good ones isn’t it?
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False, I have a more plausible theory:
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2 hours ago, keepthefaith said:
Fine with it. Other than a couple runs Josh's day yesterday was similar to Nate's. QB change won't fix this team in the short run.
I 100% disagree. Allen got the ball out or scrambled out. He also threw the ball down the field, moved the sticks and gained yards and got some first downs. If not for several drops including a KB dropped TD in the back of the endzone Allen would be looking like a sparkling shiny new toy that should have started from the beginning.
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Unbelievably I still feel it’s 50/50 odds at least that Peterman starts week 2 and the thought makes me physically ill.
Week 2 Game Day thread Bills vs. Chargers - First Half
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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This is beyond embarrassing. Every play is like a 20+ yard gain run or pass. They could call anything and it would work.