Sky Diver
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When my father was called an ethnic slur, it usually ended in fisticuffs. Now we have cry babies.
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6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
Richie Incognito's situation was different than most players.
I noticed you conveniently leave things out in replies you get from posters.
You are a very savvy person with your replies.
http://www.mcall.com/sports/football/eagles/mc-bills-incognito-20150407-story.html
This is just one of many articles about the initial Incognito signing by the Bills.
Excerpts:
Richie Incognito knows that his every step with the Buffalo Bills will fall under intense scrutiny.
Incognito has already convinced the two people who matter most, team owners Terry and Kim Pegula, of that. He's also aware that no amount of mea culpas will change some people's opinion of him.
Incognito's issues do indeed date to his college days at Nebraska. He was accused of bullying a Cornhuskers teammate, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and eventually left the program after multiple suspensions.
"I don't want to get into what promises and assurances that I made, but like I said, we had a very good and open conversation," Incognito recalled Monday of that meeting. "We went back and forth on a lot of issues. They really just wanted to get a feel for me as a person and as a teammate. I think we both left that meeting feeling good about where I was at and where they were at. It's a great opportunity and I'm very thankful."
Richie Incognito's signing with the Bills was not an "ordinary" OG signing.
Another Footnote: I really liked the Incognitos signing when it happened. He played even better than I expected.
That being said, the Bills were in their right for any actions they deemed appropriate when the verbal assurances from RI were
compromised by his actions.
Did he pull a girl’s pig tails in elementary school too?
Whatever happened to sticks and stones? Maybe you need a thicker skin if you play football.
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13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
Your refusal to accept facts is truly amazing.
You don't need to reply to this post...................it will be just more of your "dog with a bone" replies.
https://www.upi.com/Bills-Incognito-apologized-hugged-it-out-with-Jags-Ngakoue/4351516981094/
If you were anywhere as near of a Buffalo Bills fan as you are an Alabama fan you would know what I said about him "apologizing"
is a fact. It was discussed on this board in multiple threads. I could of continued attaching links from every major source in football.
I just googled and linked the top ones. You could investigate yourself but why do I get the feeling you won't.
The NFL is not investigating because he no longer plays football...........he is retired.
What Shady wanted to do has no bearing on how OBD felt.
I am ashamed for letting your and others "hot takes" since Sundays game get to me.
Usually I let these type of threads go by with a snicker but you broke me and I had to reply.
You are entitled to your "feelings" but you are not entitled to create opinions disguised as facts.
As a footnote to the entire OL problem. Beane and McDermott hold the responsibility for fielding a weak unit.
Richie Incognito has to own his responsibility for this situation as much as anyone.
I’m sure a lot of nasty things have been said on a football field. Do you think Richie is the first or will be the last?
What happened with the alleged investigation between January and when he retired? What was it, April or May? Can the NFL really be slower than the federal gov’t?
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7 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:
Just curious, does critical thinking include criticizing a decision when you are not privy to the reasons behind said decision?
What decision are you referring to?
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1 hour ago, BillsMafia13 said:
Irrelevant to the point, but 1 player thought he was a POS and he took that vendetta all the way to the insane asylum. Martin was way crazier than Richie. Seems like every teammate Richie's had has loved him. Are you so dense you believe anything you read off a headline?
Critical thinking is becoming a lost skill.
Shady wanted to pay Richie out of his own salary.
1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:Once again don't let facts influence your rant.
His "firing" of his agent was the beginning of his breakdown.
As your link reports it was looking like he was not going to be punished by the NFL.
Then reports came out that he might.
Buffalo Bills guard Richie Incognito told TheMMQB.com that he apologized Wednesday to Jacksonville Jaguars defensive end Yannick Ngakoue after Ngakoue accused Incognito of using racial slurs in their Jan. 7 playoff game.
#NFL spokesman says league's investigation into Richie Incognito playoff-game exchange is "not done" and that the matter "remains under review."7:59 PM - 22 Jan 2018The MMQB? That sounds like a reliable source.
Is the NFL still investigating? It shouldn’t take 9 months, should it?
Richie apparently felt that is agent didn’t represent him well, so he fired him. Is that a sign of mental illness to you?
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8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
In 2015 the Bills flew Richie Incognito to Buffalo for talks.
It was reported and later confirmed that even the Pegulas were involved concerning RIs past.
A 1 year 1.1 million dollar "show me you have changed" contract was signed.
Richie praised the Bills for giving him another chance. Richie played well.
The following season Richie signed a generous 3 year contract with Buffalo.
He kept his word to the Pegulas for 2 full seasons UNTIL the Jags Playoff game.
He was accused and later apologized for making "racial slurs" on the field.
The NFL was investigating the issue (it was in all the papers).
With Richie under investigation and breaking his promise to the Pegulas the Bills could of outright cut him.
Instead a "restructured" contract was agreed to by the Bills, his agent and signed by himself.
It was reported that Richie had some episodes in OBD and "bad mouthed" the organization and Pegulas.
He then "retired" due to illness. Bills released him.
Please don't let any facts influence your rant.
Alleged racial slurs. What was the alleged punishment and where is the alleged apology?
He was unhappy with the contract and fired his agent. You conveniently left that out.
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7 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:
You have no one to blame but yourself Mr Incognito. If you are longing for the 'Good ol Days', i have a Color Rush jersey of yours thats much to big you are welcome to if you wanna play 'football guys' in the bubble bath or something. Just HMU and its yours!!
Too bad for fans. Our two guards are terrible.
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8 minutes ago, teef said:
mental illness doesn't necessarily work that way. the guy is sick, and on top of that, he's not the greatest person on earth. there must have been something there for the bills to want to reduce his salary. richie and his agent had every chance to say no and they didn't. as off as richie is, he's not unintelligent. he could have very well have said no and moved on. it was his choice.
I don’t think that the contract offer had anything to do with his mental state. A mentally deranged person isn’t a bargain at any price. They were just playing hardball with him.
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7 minutes ago, teef said:
i'm going to doubt that there's a psychological evaluation as part of any team physical.
It’s unreasonable that he was mentally deranged and the team doctors, staff, and other players didn’t detect it.
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1 hour ago, teef said:
sure. he may have been stable at this point. maybe he started acting strange over the last season, and the bills made a decision to keep him at a price they felt was worth it for him, and let richie make the decision, which he did, (i'm obviously speculating here). who knows what really happened. i just don't put anything richie does on the bills. he's proven many, many times that his problems aren't bills related.
i think the zay jones thing has been over blown by fans, unless he's had a history of doing this. he may have taken something strange and reacted. as his luck would have it, he was recorded.
I’m pretty sure there is a post season physical. If there were any issues, it should have come up then. If not, the Bills need to scrutinize their medical staff.
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54 minutes ago, teef said:
or richie would have gone off the deep end which he does every so often, and the bills would be paying for it. richie is a sick guy. i know you think it's the bills fault, but his history shows and ebb and tide to his health.
He was okay three years ago when they signed him? If the Bills thought something was amiss, why didn’t they cut him?
There is a risk with any player due to injury or mental breakdown. Who would have suspected Zay Jones?
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44 minutes ago, blacklabel said:
Oh boo hoo hoo. The dude made his choices. He didn't have to sign off on that pay-cut, but he did, then two weeks later he got a wild hair up his ass and fired his agents and decided he didn't want the pay cut so he asked for his release and was granted it.
We would be watching a better product if Richie was on the field. Boo boo for us.
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Just now, row_33 said:
are You watching how the NFL is squeezing out good players over new contracts?
That’s not very good for fans. The NFL is destroying itself.
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2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
Oh, yeah, the Bears are way way warm-blooded and gooey where personnel moves are concerned. They make loyalty their #1 concern.
That's why they handled the Matt Forte situation the way they did. They honored a guy who was the face of the franchise, a guy who left his blood and guts on the field every week, a pillar of the Bears by deciding not to try to re-sign him. You could see their loyalty very very clearly from the statement when they announced they were not going to re-sign him they said, " "Matt is one of the all-time great Bears and did an excellent job for us on and off the field last season."
That's loyalty. Just about makes me cry, that powerful commitment to doing right by Forte.
Your argument isn't just not winnable, it's plain stupid. Sure, if the cost of loyalty is minimal, then yeah, teams will be loyal. They'll bring back a Thurman or a Freddie Jackson for a symbolic one-day contract. Or the Bears might do what they did in your link, pay Miller $458K when they have $10 mill in salary cap space and at the same time keep his rights in case he actually recovers. Sure, small gestures? Yeah, if it doesn't hurt the team. What they did was not unclassy. But it also wasn't a big enough gesture to affect the team much at all.
Nonsense. $3.5 mill isn't chump change to this team. It's almost half of what we have left under the cap to sign injury replacements.
Did the Bears sign Zach Miller for $3.5 mill? Or was it about a tenth of that, about a twentieth of their cap room? And Miller was hurt playing for the Bears whereas whatever issues Richie has, the Bills have no measurable responsibility for.
If we paid $3.5 mill a year to do nothing to everybody who had been a cap bargain for us, we'd be a laughingstock. And continue our Whaley-led recent history of cap irresponsibility.
Richie played 3 yrs at an All-Pro level for a bargain price. He was still capable of playing at a high level. The Bills shouldn’t have asked him to take a huge paycut.
$3.5M on the roll of the dice with Coleman was stupid. I’d rather have seen that money go to Richie as a reward for his service.
I believe that if we don’t cut his salary he’s would still be on the team and we would be far better off.
I don’t see any connection here with Forte.
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16 hours ago, matter2003 said:
I just dont get it. You have a raw QB who has problems with recognition, why wouldnt you get to the line so the D has to show their alignment and Daboll then has 10 or 12 seconds to talk through it with Allen? It did wonders for Goff. I mean he literally showed everyone how to do it with a young QB but nobody seems to follow suit.
This is just inexcusable. Its one thing to teach him after the play and on film. Its another thing to help him diagnose and make the right decisions on the field so he can see and feel what it looks like to do that in real time.
This is just bad coaching. He needs help, you have the ability to help him and you choose not to. Why? What justification could he possibly have for not doing this? Why aren't the Buffalo media all over McDermott and Daboll for not doing this with Allen? He needs it badly. He looks lost whenever they blitz and doesnt read it.
Goff was horrible his first year.
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The Bills appear to have a clear view of the culture they want to create and the type of players that fit their scheme. They got rid of players who either weren’t a cultural fit or who lacked the right skill set.
They are executing on their strategy, but it will take time to get the right players.
I think that they will ultimately be successful, but it will take time. This year will be rough and likely next year too.
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5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Now I get the problem! We're apparently looking for a group of players that "politely congratulate or praise" each other instead of a a group of players that " add to (the team) in a way that enhances or improves it; make perfect."
Complement, that is, but compliments aren’t bad either.
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On 5/3/2018 at 10:02 AM, Buffalo30 said:
It's projected to be a very solid offensive line class as of right now. Depending on how things go, I think next year will be an offensive heavy draft to help out Allen.
Jonah Williams, Alabama.
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Great story.
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2 minutes ago, SoTier said:
Except for Miller and Dawkins, the Bills OLers are bottom-level starters or career backups. They are what they are and what they've always been. Dawkins has taken a step backward after a decent rookie season playing beside Pro Bowler Richie Incognito instead of failed starter John Miller. Intimating that they could be better if only they tried harder is just so much bull manure. They simply aren't good enough to be better, no matter how hard they try.
You need talented players, but talent alone isn’t sufficient when building a team. Clearly we lack a critical mass of top players.
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4 minutes ago, jkeerie said:
I think many fans on this board have a "vending machine mentality." You see what's available, you put in your money, you push the button. If the machine messes up, you beat and kick it.
Many fans also react to players like they are robots rather than flesh and blood human beings.
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Football is a team sport. Part of building a winning culture is to assemble a group of players that compliment each other and can work together towards a common goal.
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It’s tough to convince the video game generation of the importance of culture. The can’t separate Madden from reality.
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Richie is badly missed!
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by Sky Diver
I’m not really following the righteous indigation.
Can you explain the reasons for the personal attack?