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  1. 54 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

    Your "feels" approach to the math is not congruent with the facts.

     

    In 7 divisional round and championship games the Josh Allen Bills offense has averaged only 22.85 points scored.

     

    So less than 23 points per game is supposed to beat Mahomes, Jackson and Burrow how often exactly?   

     

    In that same span the defense has allowed 27.71 points per game.   And also chipped in 7 points with the biggest postseason play in Bills history.....the 99 yard Taron Johnson pick six.   

     

    So the offense scores about 6 less per game than they do in the regular season from 2020-2025 and the defense allows about 8 more than they normally do(7 net if you factor in their scoring).

     

    The reality is BOTH sides underperform by similar degrees in these huge games.  

     

    BOTH.

     

    And one of those sides has the only great player the Bills have on it.

     

    So he either sucks when the chips are down or the talent around him isn't right.

     

    I fall on the "talent around him" has failed him side.  

     

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    Idk why you include both divisional games and afc championships but not wild card games if you are doing an analysis on playoff performance as a whole.  However if you look at playoff games that got the Bills eliminated since Josh's rise to a top level player in 2020:

     

    Offense Average: 24.6 ppg (this includes the 10 against the Bengals - if removed the average is 28.25 ppg)

    Defense Average: 33.2 ppg (this includes 42 given up to the Chiefs in the 13 seconds game - if removed it's 31 ppg)

     

    Essentially the Bills offense has performed at or near regular season expectations in these elimination games 5/6 times with the 10 point Bengal game looking like an outlier.  The Bills Defense has never allowed less than 27 in an elimination game and 3 times over 30 points (one over 40).

     

    It's pretty clear to me that the Bills defense is by far a bigger issue in them getting eliminated than the offense and these numbers bear that out. 

  2. 8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

    Of course I know that. I was just pointing out Allen’s game on TNF (where he did everything he needed to do and could basically chill in the 2nd half) was a game where people would call Lamar overrated on his way to a MVP. 
     

    if the Bills have like 6 of these type games where Allen doesn’t have to put up huge numbers on the way to a MVP, it should be a positive thing and not used against him. And that’s why Lamar won MVP last year. 

    I would take a look at Lamar stats and the ending scores of their games. I don’t think this narrative holds up

  3. 12 minutes ago, zow2 said:

     

    I agree about the coaching. But i will say this about Mahomes.  When the game is on the line, and KC absolutely needs a drive or to convert some 3rd and 4th downs along the way… Mahomes is better than all of them including Allen.

     

    This is not the only way to measure what you are getting at but according to pro football reference, Mahomes has 14 4th quarter comebacks and Allen has 13.  Pretty comparable. 

  4. 17 minutes ago, JP51 said:

    I think this is probably the fairest point they could make and you said it quite well... and maybe he is a bit undisciplined.  I would say that even with being undisciplined he is still out performing LJ statistically and with regards to availability. They still have very similar playoff success or lack there of.... but maybe what you say is very true, perception can create reality. 

     

    This is a frustrating point; Josh Allen statistically has outperformed LJ in the playoffs by a wide margin.  Lack of success is more a fault of the Bills defense than anything else.  If the Bills held the Chiefs to 17 like the Ravens D did in the AFC Championship, Bills win the game easily.  

  5. 6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    I greatly agree with both of your points here, but I would respectfully add this:

     

    Third, as it was 4th and two, a completed pass of two yards or more would have been a vastly better outcome.

     

    People are treating this as a one or the other scenario. A short completion would have continued the drive. It's easy to forget that this wasn't fourth and long. They only had to make two yards. And the All-22 shows very clearly that this should have been a first down for the Bills.

     

    And Josh's first look on this play (you can see his head move, it's clear) is to Kincaid going towards the left sideline on a rub route. And the rub works perfectly, Kincaid ends up open by three or four yards with a very easy route to get the two yards. 

     

    That's where he should have gone. That was the failure of that play, making the wrong choice on where to go. While he is still looking at Kincaid, the picture on the play is a bit complicated, but it is unfolding exactly as Brady must have wished, Kincaid's man is running directly into Shakir's pick, and Shakir's guy is bumping him, so it's a two-man pick rather than just one-man. The set-up is absolutely perfect.

     

    It's Josh's first look, the play is working exactly as it should and looks like a very easy throw with a very high chance of getting the first down. And Josh comes off it almost immediately. He has no pressure on him not just up to where it looks good, but right through to where Kincaid is obviously open. Dawkins is being bull-rushed toward him, but sinks down and stops the guy cold.

     

    Maybe a half-step to the right, and the pocket was going to stand up all day. Instead Josh takes off right, eventually allowing the LB who was mirroring Josh to run around the pocket and close on Josh to the side after he gets towards the numbers.

     

    More, after Shakir is stoned executing his rub, he breaks right and runs across the middle about a yard beyond the first down. He's not wildly open, but he has a yard or a yard and a half on his guy. If Josh had stayed in the pocket - still a clear pocket - this is an easy completion. But he was already high-tailing it towards the sideline.

     

    This appears to have been Josh playing hero ball on a play that should have worked, a play that provided one excellent opportunity within the framework of the play, and another that was maybe not excellent but still plenty good.

     

    That should have been what happened. This should have been a first down, with the drive continuing.

     

     

     

     

    Again, he didn't make the most of what was available. The opportunity for a first down was right there.

     

    It wasn't falling apart till he gave up his first and best two options for converting this to a first down.

     

     

    This is all valid. 
     

    The narrative is that Josh has a turnover problem and it’s funny how if he had dirted that ball it wouldn’t be talked about as much. Instead he throws a pick in the end zone which lost Miami yards.  I would rank outcomes as:

     

    1. Allen gets at least the 1st down

    2. That pick (or one resulting in Miami with the ball at the 20 or less)

    3. Any other outcome

     

    We got the 2nd option here and it’s just piling on Allen for turnovers

  6. 5 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:


    I can’t stand when people claim the wind helps us, since our QB has a better arm.  If our QB has a better arm is zero wind, that advantage lessens as there is more wind.  Using an extreme example, if the winds were 100 mph, neither QB would be able throw the ball forward, and both teams would be forced to run only.  Any wind starts to eat into the advantage of the stronger armed QB.

    That is an oversimplification of it.

     

    Think of it like this: If both guys can throw it well in perfect weather but one guy can make longer or harder throws, wind will reduce both their capabilities but there is no reason to think it will affect the harder throwing guy more like you are suggesting.  And the higher the wind gets, the closer the weaker arm gets to being useless while the stronger arm is still capable of something. 

     

    All this being said I'd prefer no wind. 

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  7. On 11/17/2023 at 4:41 PM, PatsFanNH said:

    Good stats!  But the Bills D couldn’t contain the Broncos at home last week, how will they contain Lamb and the Dallas O? Also the Bills O only scored 22 against a bad Broncos D or at least not one with the scary  d line like Dallas has.  I could see the Bills maybe running on them but the Bills never seem stick w the run. 

    Must be tough that the pats have been terrible for so long

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  8. 5 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

    I said at best 50-50.  Dallas looks really good and they don’t usually choke till the playoffs. 
     

    1-2 plays away doesn’t matter especially since outside of Cincy none of the other teams are considered top tier teams.  Heck you should have blown out NE and NY. 

    Cowboys are much better at home.  I don't see Dallas as that good of a team coming to Buffalo in December.

    Home pts for avg: 40

    Away pts for avg: 21.8

     

    Home pts allowed: 12.5

    Away pts allowed avg: 23 (and this is including giving 0 up to the Giants.  If you remove that game they are giving up 28.75 on average on the road)

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  9. 6 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:
    6 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

    8 teams get in, 2 teams get the bye, KC with home field advantage against buffalo. AFC and NFC. I think the entire NFL League and Fans would love this outcome.

    I have a hard time saying KC just gets home field advantage against Buffalo when Buffalo beat them head to head.  If anything that should be used as the tiebreaker IMO.  I would also be okay with randomly vacating a non-Bills KC game and resetting the records.

     

  10. 4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:


    Don't be so sure.  I expect a hybrid solution.


    1.  No Bye, 8 teams get in.

    2. Split the 1 seed benefits. 1 seed picks Bye or Home Field, 2 seed gets other
    3. AFC Title Game neutral field if two of BUF KC CIN make it. 

     

    If KC and Buffalo are 1 and 2 then they can't play each other until the AFC title game and they would both have had home games up to that point.  If you then put the AFC title game on a neutral field there is no home field advantage associated with the higher seed.  If you are going to go down this road it is take the bye and lose home field against the other team. 

  11. 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

    I'm frankly amazed at all of the hand ringing about this issue. I've heard almost nobody complain about the built-in advantage that half the teams get with a seventeen game schedule.  Aren't half the teams playing an extra home game when you have an odd number of games?

     

    Sure but all teams in the each conference get the same number of home and away games.  This year the NFC got 9 home games and the AFC got 8.  It effectively has no effect on intraconference seeding for the playoffs. 

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  12. 3 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

    How is awarding the Bengals a win for a 4 point lead 10 minutes into a 60 minute game fair to the Ravens who are still fighting for a division championship?  Unfortunately, there's really no "fair" way to go about it if the game isn't played.  Awarding no contests and going by winning percentage is probably the best they can do at this point from a logistics standpoint.  The Chiefs are the big winners in this scenario.  The Bills are both losers (lose 1 seed) and winners (secure 2 seed) and the same for the Bengals (gifted the division title, but lose out on potential 1 or 2 seed).  The Ravens get screwed the worst I suppose, but they are still in the playoffs and they had already lost to the Bengals.  

    The Ravens beat the Bengals in their first matchup

  13. 32 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

    I too like Cowheard and he's right. He's a huge Allen fan but he rightfully identifies the Bills biggest flaw in closing out close games. Our run game has yet to be established and we ask JA to do 95% of the heavy lifting. It's just not sustainable. Especially in the playoffs. 

    What would Cowherd be saying if the Chiefs lost last night though?

     

    Mahomes had a chance to close out the Raiders with the ball and couldn't convert a 3rd and short/medium.  The Raiders got the ball back with roughly 2 minutes and couldn't into fg range and I'm supposed to believe what Mahomes made that happen from the sideline?

     

    He either isn't watching or is trolling but this idea that Mahomes has magic and Allen somehow doesn't is ridiculous. 

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  14. 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

    We totally schemed out Hill beating us deep the last two years by allowing him to burn us for TDs short.

     

    Fun Fact: Hill has 1 TD against the Bills in 4 games (including playoffs).  Also in the regular season he was hasn't done much against the Bills.  He's racked up yards in the two playoff games but he scored 2 TDs in 5 minutes against the Ravens.  I just don't think that will happen Sunday.

  15. 7 minutes ago, wjag said:

     

    Giving the guy credit is an anathema to many on this board and theirs apparently.  I went and compared the passing charts of Josh and Tua in weeks 1 and 2.  They look pretty darn similar.  Josh was completing the bulk of his passes in the 5-15 yards range.  Tua as well. And then I looked at Mahomes.  Same thing.   If Tua wasn't being discussed it would be said that Josh is playing patient and taking what the defense is giving him, ala Brady.  But somehow on this board Tua playing very much the same type of game is mocked for throwing under the coverage.   Looking at the passes Tua threw in the 4th Qtr against Baltimore showed he can throw downfield with touch and distance.  The one TD was a 50+ air yard bomb on target.  It matters not that there were blown coverages in Baltimore.  Tua saw it, his receivers made it so and he put the ball on target 4 times.  If Josh did that we would be celebrating.  Tua clearly has the arm strength to throw it 50 yards.  In this NFL, that's all you need.  Is his arm as strong as others? Probably not.  It's arm and decision making and location that matter.  No one judges how pretty a TD pass is.  It's a TD pass.  Overthrown, underthrown, tipped, great one-handed catch, miraculous toe tap.  Matters not.  A TD is a TD.

     

    The great thing about this week is with all the huffing and puffing from both fan bases aside, they get to play H2H.  We will know if the passing stats below will hold up.

     

    Interesting Passing Stats:  Pretty darn even

     

    TDs: Josh-7, Tua-7

    Ints: Josh-2, Tua-2

    Yards: Josh-614, Tua-739

    Rating: Josh-123.7, Tua-116.5 

    Comp%: Josh-75.4%, Tua-71.1%

     

    That's not really accurate though if you are trying to try and predict a future performance.  the process is what matters in predicting the future not the result.  Go back and watch the 2 long hill TDs.  Hill runs in a straight line at the snap, Tua basically stares him down then heaves it as far as he can and Hill slows up, catches and runs into the endzone.  He was so open both times it was stupid.  Hill hasn't been able to go over the top against the Bills with Mahomes so avoid that and we'll see. 

  16. 37 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

    This is why this is stupid. Because I don’t want to throw any shade at Josh who is amazing. But Mahomes had better passing numbers than Allen last year and is currently at 7 tds to 0 ints this year. Not really sure how anyone can say Allen is definitively better at this point.

     

    but allen and Mahomes are great. Along with with Rodgers and plastic face Brady. I think Herbert is in a class with Burrow. I will say that I’m so happy the fins have Tua and the pats have Max because last night (and Josh) showed plays they have no chance of making.

    Well, you’re a Bills fan haha. Allen could easily leap him this year but in this silly hypothetical, he’s not there yet (and Herbert isn’t close). 

    Clearly bait but you got me.  Allen has played 1 game and put up 4 total TDs so we'll see TDs after Monday.  Of the two picks, Allen literally had 1 go off a receivers hands and the other one was a great play by the db.  I don't remember another bad throw by Allen on Thursday but maybe you do.  Mahomes threw a worse ball right to Samuel last night handled it about as well as someone who never saw a football before.

     

    How could anyone say Allen is better at this point?  They actually watch the games.

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  17. 12 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

    I love Diggs! I think he helped propel JA into elite status in the NFL.

     

    BUT......

    Diggs in the playoffs was 3 rec/ 60 yds, 0 TDs against the Pats and 3 rec /7 yds 0 TDs against KC

     

    Kupp in the playoffs was 5 rec/ 61 yds 1TD against Arizona, 9 rec/ 183 yds 1 TD against TB, 11 rec/142 and 2 TDs against SF and 8 rec / 92 yards 2 TDs against Cinn in the SB.

     

    Now as I said I'm a big Diggs fan and we could compare the body of work over their careers, but if we go by last years playoffs and if this were an actual debate I would literally destroy you to the point you would walk out the room in tears.

    I don't have much of an opinion about whether Diggs or Kupp is better but in the interest of having a real debate and bringing people to tears:

    The Bills scored an 47 and 36 points in 2 postseason games

     

    The Rams scored 34, 30, 20, 17

     

    So whatever Diggs was bringing to the table was clearly helping the Bills more than Kupp was helping the Rams.  If Diggs wasn't being targeted much it was because teams sold out to stop him and all costs and Bills offense was prolific.  So from a team scoring standpoint Diggs had a huge effect. 

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  18. 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:


    That is correct, but the NFL does not want to overrule the first decision of this new process.  It would be a terrible look and could lead to the NFLPA taking the NFL to court.  I think that they will have to feel like they don’t have any other choice if they overrule the decision. 

    Is it a more terrible look than giving the go ahead on a suspension that the general public will look at and say "really that's it?"  

     

    Idk the ins and outs of the entire process but the NFLPA agreed to use Roger Goodell as the arbitrator in the appeals process in the bargaining agreement so I'm not sure what their standing is to go to court if the process they agreed upon doesn't go their way.  

  19. 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:


    You bring up an interesting question.  What does everyone think the arbiter’s verdict will be?  Clarification: I am looking for a specific number of games and how you think she will rule, not how you’d rule.  I say 6 games.

     

    Bonus question: Will there be a challenge from either side?  No.  Both sides will accept that.

    I don't think it matters that much what Robinson says unless she says no suspension at all.

     

    The acceptance of the ruling handed down gets challenged by the league I would think.  As far as I can tell, unless Robinson says there should be no suspension, the league can appeal to Goodell and basically give whatever suspension they desire.  Goodell has final say in the appeals process so the league which is basically Goodell anyway is free to give any length of suspension unless the ruling from the judge is that there will be no suspension.

  20. 28 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

     

    Nothing, if the 40 time doesn't translate to ripping off big yardage in-game.

     

    I just don't see a back that will strike fear in defenses when I watch Cook's highlights.

     

     

    Breece Hall's 10 yd split was 1.54 seconds

    James Cook's 10 yd split was 1.55 seconds

     

    So 0.01 second difference in acceleration.

  21. 13 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

    This.  Watson is a great runner, better than Allen.  He has a great arm, close to Allen.   He's probably behind Allen in field generalship.   Herbert's close; Burrow is a Joe Montana type but can't match Allen and Watson physically, and he's probably behind Herbert, too. 

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    Watson is not the better runner.  They are even or Allen is better.  I think people haven't looked at Watson's stats in a while.  He is not some generational player here. 

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