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I think that the position will be different than running back but how teams pay the position on second contracts may be where we see a seismic shift. I can see a premium still put on WR talent in draft bc of the cost of talent on second contract. This may change as more teams are unwilling to shell out big $$ for these contracts. Teams including the Bills with Diggs have been crippling themselves with massive WR contracts and the ROI is not worth it many times. The Bills bailed out for good reason and didnt reup gabe bc it wasnt going to be worth it and they really didnt have the money anyhow.
It doesnt go without consequence, though. The Chiefs definitely struggled last year at times with a less than impressive WR group. The Bills will likely focus on creating an offense that looks for a lot of production from backs and TEs. A bit of a throwback style but given their top talent at skill positions and end of year philosophy it seems like that is the Bills identity. Honestly its a more fitting style for Josh.
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On 4/28/2024 at 7:44 AM, Luka said:
The disrespect to Shorter in this thread is something else. He was Richardson's go to target at Florida. Shakir-like in his ability to convert big 3rd downs. Big frame guy with 4.5 speed, not unlike Coleman. Shorter was the #1 receiver coming out of high school. His big question mark is can he stay healthy. Played through or missed time with injuries every season in college. Wouldn't count on him just being a throw away prospect.
Coleman wasn't my preference at receiver but all reports say he was Josh's choice at receiver so nothing else really needs to be said about the pick. I'm sure most people have seen the graphic of his 40 time paired with all of his other drill times, in which he was at the top of the charts in most of them. Not everyone is a sprinter. I'd rather have the guy that's quick out of his break at the top of a route than a guy who's quick out of the blocks.
It's also something to note, all the small fast guys in Buffalo haven't worked out. McKenzie was the most notable and he was a gadget guy.
Coleman, Davis and Pran-Granger all have a physicality to their game and I think that was the underlying theme of this draft on offense. Get tougher. Get more physical. Your star QB can't be the only guy willing to hurdle or stiff arm a guy for a first down.
He wasn’t Richardson’s go to guy. They really had WR by committee in terms of production and Richardson looked for Pearsall if anyone when they needed a first, but he wasn’t very effective at finding anyone when he needed to. Richardson is a physical unicorn like Josh but injury prone and super inaccurate and erratic in the intermediate passing game. Shorter had a decent year with Richardson at QB with a great yds/reception, but it’s really hard to evaluate a WR with a QB that struggled passing for long stretches and looked like a really bad QB when things weren’t clicking as it steamrolled. I get why the colts were enamored with AR. He was pure excitement at times, but never consistently good.
Shorter is someone I hoped the Bills would pick up and they did. He has elite traits, but 2022 was the closest he came to putting it together and I’m hoping he provides an unexpected boost to what isn’t the most inspiring WR group.
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The Russ Brandon/Doug Whaley years they invested heavily in WR position without a proven QB and a middling OL, passing up solid QBs in the process. That was a flawed approach. What Beane is doing is a little too heavy in the non-WR focus, but this talk of fire Beane is ridiculous. This team was frustrating to watch for nearly 2 decades before Beane and McD. This even seems to be an anomaly for the Pegulas, so please keep these guys in place. I get the more weapons around Josh sentiment and I agree, but what they are building can work well and I think they are investing in being a team that can physically dominate a defense while their own Defense is built to play with a lead. I’m interested to see how they reshape this team before calling for their heads.
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I wasn’t happy with the Coleman pick at first but I really hadn’t watched him play until after the draft, and then seeing he is just about balling and be a bit of a goof I realized why this was Josh’s dude. Seems like someone who isn’t going to fail due to a lack of wanting it and wanting to be great. If he can have Kincaid like impact that is right on schedule for a solid answer to questions about the WR group and if they can get a big distribution of balls because of the multifaceted attack and play action game, this can work with what they have. It’s not perfect but they have talent among all of t;he weapons on Offense and that is what matters.
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36 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:
Easily diggs, he was on fire first half of season. Allen had 2nd most Ints in the league last year? Was a rather weak MVP season overall, compared to previous years. Defenses realized that once you took diggs away it was tough for us to get the ball moving. Who is getting doubled teamed or taking the pressure away next year?
Diggs wasn’t separating at the end of last year and the film showed it. He was either slowing down or not giving same effort - the result was the same, regardless. Allen actually had far less ints after the OC change, and it coincided with targeting Diggs and Davis less. For instance, prior to Denver game 97 targets 834 yds, 7 TDs for Diggs, and from DEN on 63 targets 349 yds, 1 TD. Davis and Allen were clearly not on same page many games, and Josh had the highest Int % per attempt throwing to Davis. To me it’s no surprise neither is on the roster anymore. Is there a drop off in talent? Yes, but chemistry is important and no doubt we still have questions about the chemistry with the new look WRs. Claypool is talented and it’s not much of a gamble, and if he can’t play with Allen his career is pretty much over. Claypool has all he could ask for in terms of opportunity and if he does put in the work it could be a sneaky good signing. I get that’s still a big IF.
Keeping Diggs and Davis would have been a worse decision then moving on from them seeing how neither was integral to winning when the Bills stopped effing around at end of season.
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Coleman at least addressed the position, not that it would've been my pick with Mitchell still there, but if the Bills are looking for a more physical team I get it (and not sure what truth there wast to the smoke about diabetes and not taking to coaching that was out there about Mitchell the weeks prior to the draft). Bishop made sense at 60. Where Beane lost me was with DT, then RB. They had options to take another shot at WR just to bolster the WR room and improve their chances that one of then shows out and becomes a substantial answer to the WR questions that they created. We're set with starters at DT, so Carter is depth at best. Cook and Johnson were a good 1-2 punch, so Davis is looking to compete for RB2. I don't hate the Davis pick either, but if you are serious about filling the void you created at WR you've got to take more than one swing.
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10 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:
Coleman is fine if that’s who Josh wanted as a Higgins type. Heck, I’m even a little ok with bishop because he’s a good player, albeit it’s a position I’d never draft first 2 days unless they were just insane value because safety is not a premium position that gets paid the big money and i believe early rounds you go high premium positions line WR, both lines and corner. BUT to go back to back defense in a lackluster dline draft and take a DT when you have 2 take the top off WRs available still in Franklin and Walker is just nonsense. WR is still a big need, we have no one reliable that’s a vertical threat. The pick screams McDermott as usual. Plenty of teams double dipped at positions of less need than us (lions and eagles both took back to back corners). I trust Beane for the most part and maybe I’m overreacting but I’m just so over McDermott and his control to make his glorious D that never shows up in the playoffs better while giving Josh as little as possible to keep him content. Rant over. Go Bills and hopefully we trade up for Franklin or Walker
Coleman may be fine but I don’t think it was the type of WR that opens up the offense. I knew it wasn’t likely but hoped Bills really focused on Offense with their top picks bc they lost 3 lynchpins, but it is on brand for them to look like they are trending the offense in right direction only to let it unravel.
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5 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:
By the way as I calculate my 7 round mock I had Dewayne Carter going 99th so he was a 4 pick reach imo lol
Thank god I was waiting for your amateur draft rankings to know how to feel. Maybe he could start, oh wait we’ve got Ed Oliver. We’ve spent so much draft capital and cap space on DL over the years and it never has materialized into anything when it matters in the playoffs.
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You lose wr1 and wr2, and starting C - and you go slow WR, S, back up DT. Nice!!!
it’s kinda criminal that they are content just letting Josh carry the offense without trying to make it exceptional. So we’ll be the 20s version of the 80s Browns, 80-90s Dolphins and 90s Chiefs at best - good enough to compete but never good enough to be even the best in the conference. The overemphasis on D in an offensive league when you have a gem at QB is baffling.
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People losing their minds here over smart moves and then hoping for Cooper Dejean? Or Ladd McConkey? Yikes.
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20 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:
Excuse me? Did you not notice all the guys under contract let go and the free agents that signed elsewhere?
There are only 28 players left from last season. There are a lot of holes to fill.
That’s why I think a modest trade down into early second picking up some extra mid round picks might be the smart play if there is a willing partner. If a team covets a QB Penix is a prime target at 28 and they can still get Legette or McConkey in the early 2nd.
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The WRs in the OP are borderline NFL talent. They could be good role players if they develop chemistry on the offense but they aren’t WR1s or WR2s waiting in the wings. They need to be looking to replace one of the most productive receivers in the NFL with Diggs and a productive No. 2 in Davis. Davis is replaceable and Samuel probably has met that need but the gaping hole is Diggs; production. Worthy from Texas ain’t that guy, Franklin ain’t that guy, Coleman ain’t that guy. I think the Bills are realistically looking at Thomas Jr, Mitchell, and Legette as targets if they stay put, knowing Thomas Jr is a long shot, Mitchell might be there, and Legette might be a reach. I also think they may have to pay a ransom if they want to move up.
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Poop on a stick design. They replaced bad uniforms with different bad uniforms. The horse head has always been a bad look.
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8 hours ago, Beck Water said:
With all respect to Ayjent, here is Kaiir Elam's draft profile:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kaiir-elam/3200454c-4155-0002-a198-92eda6859fa9
He wasn't regarded as a Day 1 starter, but he was regarded as physically talented and projected to go in the 1st.
https://gatorswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/17/florida-football-kaiir-elam-espn-draft-mock/
https://www.si.com/college/florida/football/florida-gators-kaiir-elam-mock-draft-br-top-ten
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Kaiir-Elam-DB-Florida
Now of course, all these pundits who don't have accountability should be taken with a grain of salt, but the point is, he wasn't regarded as a reach in the 1st and some even predicted him as a top-10 or first-half of the 1st pick.
Oh he was valued that high by a lot of people but as a fan watching game after game and the development or lack thereof of his play, I didnt understand why he was valued where he was. Especially following the college season he was drafted where he regressed. The gator D was terrible and Elam was part of the problem, despite flashes of good plays.
For all the work scouts and NFL personnel guys do, there are still things that get overlooked or dismissed. All teams make bad picks, and its not a science bc you never know how a player will respond and adapt to the pro game and how determined they will be to find success, and whether that hard work will even translate into success.
I was just saying that the play on the college level gave a lot of insight into Elam's prospects of being a star CB in the NFL. I was vocal about him not being a 1st rounder prior to that draft and the only gator i wanted to see on the Bills was Damien Pierce with a mid round pick bc of his physical running style to take some of those carries off of Josh.
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On 4/11/2024 at 12:26 PM, Lost said:
Didn't u read? They're drafting a Safety 🤣
I hope the pick is Donte Whitner
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3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
Yet in limited time he has two playoff INTs - one in 2022 and one in 2023. Benford zero. Douglas zero. How can a guy who can make plays not be taught zone coverage?????
Consistency is the issue. He’s getting thrown at bc he isn’t consistent and there are big plays to have against him. That’s why he is on the bench if the staff has an option. It’s why they went out and got Douglas and resigned him. I’m a Gator and I’d love for him to play well, but so far he hasn’t shown the ability to be trusted to be a solid starter.
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4 hours ago, Old Coot said:
The guy does well in straight man coverage but he screws up in zone and when he has to make adjustments.
Maybe he'll eventually learn but at this point he'd only have value to a team that plays straight man as a base D.
This is the NFL so I doubt there are any teams that do that.
He wasn't a first round pick. What mystifies me is why his shortcomings weren't apparent from film or scouting. Any thoughts?
It was all there if you watched the games. He played well against a couple of good WRs and teams fell in love with what he could be instead of what he was. Terrible tackler, inconsistent in coverage, capable of getting completely lost in scheme. I thought he was being overvalued a lot in pre draft and was absolutely shocked when Bills took him. I watch all UF games and I wasn’t a fan of his game. I had hope that maybe it was just Mullen’s terrible staff that was the issue and talked myself into the pick trusting Beane. He played decent in yr 1 at times, but the chance he develops is slim at this point. Maybe it was hubris with the Bills staff and FO. There just isn’t much of a place for him other than outside CB and the Bills don’t trust him there.
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50 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
This Ricky Pearsall seems to be very underrated. 4.41 speed, ok size, great route runner, really good hands, high points the ball and has a bunch of savvy in his game. He’s a little older like Leggette. He had a really good senior bowl week. Then he goes to the combine and jumps out of the gym and runs a crazy 3 cone time. I know he is probably a victim of the depth of this class, but the dude can play and a lot of his game translates to the NFL game. He is also a good fit here. He runs a ton of option routes but he also eats in that intermediate area of the field that Josh loves to attack. A couple of comps I have seen are Christian Kirk and Julian Edelman…I can see it. I think he’s mostly a slot guy who can play outside but isn’t that traditional big X everyone is clamoring for. I like this player and I think he is definitely underrated.
He’s a good player but he gets shut down against tight physical man coverage. I think he’s rated about right if not a little overvalued. I’m not saying he can’t work on his game and technique to get better against man, but he was expected to be a bigger impact player this past year and fell a bit short of expectations. He had a good college career, but there are limitations in his game. He could be as effective as Gabe was, but that’s about it, although different set of pluses and minuses. I don’t see the rote running of Edelman at all, like not even close, and I’m wondering who made that comp and how much they actually watched him play. He’s a crafty guy that gets where is supposed to be and excels against zone with good hands and ball skills, but physical defenders can impact him a lot.
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13 hours ago, HaldimandBills said:
Who are you taking?
Polk or Coleman?
McConkey or Pearsall?
Thomas Jr or Franklin?
Mitchell or Legette?
Thats not even mentioning
Burton, Wilson, Swift, Washington, Rice
This draft is loaded
Those are all easy questions until you get to Legette or Mitchell which I’d take Mitchell but see the attraction of Legette and think Legette may actually be more suited for the Bills under Brady, but see Mitchell as the higher probability of NFL success with his length, speed and route running.
Polk all day over Coleman, McConkey is a way better route runner and separator against man than Pearsall, Thomas Jr is way better than Franklin (who I think may be the most overhyped WR prospect in the bunch).
I like the idea of double dipping at WR bc of the talent and second contracts are expensive at the position although eventually teams will wise up on paying big contracts to WRs if the talent pipeline continues to be solid. A lot needs to go right for a WR to be effective and I understand why the position is valued with current offenses. The truth is that you still need good protection and a good qb to get the value. The Bills have the QB, and just one ? on the OL. If they went Center in the first two rounds I wouldn’t be upset either.
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On 4/4/2024 at 11:18 PM, HappyDays said:
This WR class isn't equivalent to those years though. Almost everyone who analyzes players agrees that MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze are each worth a top 6 pick any year. Ja'Marr Chase is the only person on that list of 1st round WRs who's comparable to the caliber of prospect we're talking about here. It would be a stunner if any of these players fell out of the top 10. This just happens to be a year where there are 3 absolutely elite WR prospects.
I'm still against trading up for one because I think it just costs too much and I think we can still get a superstar WR if we double dip in the top 100. But let's at least be honest about the conversation - the debate is not about if the top 3 WRs are likely to be successful, it's about the cost/benefit analysis of trading up for one elite prospect versus staying put and being able to draft multiple very good prospects.
That’s just not true about this class compared to others. It’s revisionist history based on the results. This year may be considered deeper but the talent level isn’t a known commodity yet in the NFL, and we are comparing projection with production. There have been classes every couple of years lauded as a big wr class and each time there are absolute turds picked in the top 10 at the position.
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On 4/4/2024 at 7:15 PM, DrDawkinstein said:
If the Vikings convince the Chargers to trade out of #5 (and the Chargers should be easily convinced), then the Bills should pull the trigger on trading up with the Giants to 6 and get Nabers. All for it.
Giants should be into it since it gives them another 1st for next year when they will be in the QB market after they get out of Jones contract at the end of this season.
They’d be into it for the same reason the Bills shouldn’t- that’s a lot of draft capital for one pick on one player.
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Plenty of really talented WRs to do something as dumb as OP, especially considering this team just lost its starting WR1, WR2, C, SS, FS, and DE (not including Tre). This team needs its picks given its cap situation and it needs to go out and crush the draft with the picks it has or accumulate more not put all of their eggs in one basket that can underperform or never materialize. Diggs was a 5th rounder, Shakir was a 5th rounder, Milano was a 5th rounder, Taron Johnson was a 4th rounder, Benford a 6th Rounder. The point is keep the picks and with good scouting rebuild the roster by creating a higher likelihood of filling the holes with solid players. They don’t set themselves up for long term success and another run by going all in on a WR in a loaded class. I’m not even convinced the top rated 3 WRs are going to pan out.
I also think Pearsall from Florida is being overhyped. He’s solid but I don’t think he is anywhere near the talent of some of the others listed in the same range, and I don’t see him as a starting slot guy in the NFL. Florida runs a Mickey Mouse offense with doofus coaching and an overrated transfer QB so maybe I’m just not as high on him because of that, but he’s not a shifty guy that shakes people. He’s more of an upright route runner that gets where he is supposed to be but can be shut down by good coverage. Great if playing against zone - non factor against good man. Great hands though.
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Look regardless of his success here, for all of his competitive fire and “accountability” he held his teammates to, he didn’t hold up to his own standard when he had the chance to. Josh gave him the opportunity to be the man, the star of getting the chiefs monkey off their back. He shrunk in the moment, and he demonstrated to everyone that he didn’t make the team better at the most crucial time. At that point he is immediately expendable if there is a willing partner, especially with that contract. Throw in everything else and it was nearly a necessity. I like the competitive fire and extreme desire to win, but if you’re going to be that and get paid to be that guy and given the chance to show out that you are what you say you are, then you can’t crap in your hat and disappear when you are to blame. A play can change so much, but the way it went down made it an easy calculation.
The Bills lost a great talent but also have a chance to see if a different combination is the one that makes them better. But they need to nail it in this draft all over the place. WR C DL S. Beane just put the pressure on himself but let’s see how this goes.
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2 hours ago, ngbills said:
Easy to laugh at Jets but if they stay healthy they may contend. Rodgers has had a lot of rest so could come back and have a good year. He has a solid OL now with Hall at RB and Wilson and Williams at WR. They draft Bowers or see what WR is available. That is a solid O.
Rodgers is done. He'll be more statuesque coming off that Achilles at his age, his arm may not be as live, and he's too busy "reading books" and talking to RFK, Jr. about a potential VP bid.
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Also a Gator fan and I haven’t missed any games since well before that, even though it’s been a tough stretch with few bright spots since the last championship season. Not sure Billy ball is going to get it done, beyond the mediocrity we’ve seen. With respect to Shorter and Pearsall, I get what you’re saying, but I think it’s safe to say there wasn’t a real go to guy that season because that would’ve meant that they actually had a competent, consistent passing game that year which is very debatable. I was so wanting Richardson to get his chance and was super excited after the Utah game where he was awesome, but then it was just a roller coaster of uneven play despite having a lot of talent on offense. There were big plays from both Pearsall and Shorter, but I always felt Pearsall was the more targeted player when they needed a play for a first down. I haven’t looked it up. Maybe the stats bear that out or don’t, but just watching the games it felt that way in the biggest moments.