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And now you are making up fake facts.He has the 4th most yards in NFL history before his 24th birthday. How does that work for you?
He has played in 77% of the games, Julio Jones was at 70.8% at the same point in his career. You must have hated him through 3 years.
The last 9 games of the 2015 season he was the 4th most targeted receiver. He had the most yards in the league over that span. He wasn't elite at that point? (Credit to Bandit for some of these).
FWIW, within the league they are not using gross stats because they aren't a bunch of simpletons. The 1st thing that they do is look at what you do with each opportunity. That's why Mike Gillislee got $4M this offseason. His YPC was phenomenal.
We just need stop analyzing things with "what we think we are seeing" and start looking at the facts. He has been elite when thrown the ball. That's all that a receiver can do. Now he needs to get healthy and see the ball more for sure. If those things happen there is no reason to expect the production to be much different.
First Sammy is still 23 for a couple weeks.
Second 5 WR's that were drafted the same year as Sammy have more yards than he does before they turned 24 also. So you're wrong. Are you intentionally trying to deceive people here?
OBJ, Jarvis Landry, Allen Robinson, Mike Evans and Brandin Cooks all had more yards than Sammy before their 24th birthday.
And despite missing more time than Sammy in his first 3 years Julio Jones still had more receptions, yards and TD's than Sammy. Are you seeing the trend?
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It's a worthless cherry picked stat. It doesn't put points on the board and it doesn't win games.Then you are missing the point. Per target accounts for when he is thrown the ball. If OBJ is thrown the ball 20 times in a game he will have more catches and yards than Watkins getting it 6 times. I think that we'd all agree that Watkins needs to get the ball more. He needs to be healthy as well. You made a comment about talent vs. production. The production has been elite when he has been thrown to. Per attempt is really the only way to accurately compare players because it levels the playing field. That's what any sort of advanced stats do. That's why they are "advanced." That's not a cherry picked stat it's a fact.
This Bills will throw the ball more this year and in turn you will the passing and receiving yards go up. Does that mean that they are at it? Not necessarily, it means they've thrown it more.
Sammy has not had an elite year yet in the NFL so stop saying he has elite anything at this point. He has on year of barely over a 1,000 yards and wasn't even top 10.
Yes he has the physical talent but he hasn't been elite at anything in the NFL to this point. He can't stay on the field because he is constantly hurt with a slew of different injuries every year.
So there is no rational non kool-aid drinking individual that would try and spin a 28 catch year in to being elite or the fact that he hasn't been a top in his own draft class in production: yards,receptions, TD's, etc. And the only thing you can come up with to defend his abysmal production which no one else uses is yards per target.
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His foot, his groin, his labrum, his ribs, etc.If it nets us our franchise QB i'm all for it, Watkins is great when healthy but that foot injury is no joke, at such a young age if we could get a first for him I think we'd be foolish not to.
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But when you only catch 28 passes in a season like last year and have no impact at all that stat is worthless and cherry picked.His per target production ranks with the best in the league.
He is not even top 5 in his draft class at this point and people are all over this thread calling him top 5 in the league.
lol
He has been out performed by several WR's from his own class. Mike Evans, OBJ, Brandin Cooks, Allen Robinson and Jarvis Landry. All have outperformed Sammy since they were drafted together.
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You find it impressing watching him stand on the sideline in sweats?Yea... If you don't notice how great a player Watkins is when watching a Bills game then you don't know what your watching.
lol
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Talent means nothing its all about production.Not if he's healthy. He's a top 5 talent at WR if healthy (top 10 at worst). As an example he will probably make less than Landry and when healthy is a much more explosive player. Sammy doesn't come with out risk (obviously) but when healthy he will perform to whatever contract he gets.
I'm sure you probably have heard Parcel's famous quote about talent.
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Which is a rare occurrence.He may not be handed the job but there is no doubt that these two, when on their games and healthy are a dangerous duo.
http://www.cover1.net/2017/05/tyrod-taylor-sammy-watkins/
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What difference does it make? Does sprained make you feel better?Thread title is terrifying, please add sprained
Do you know what a sprain is? It is still damage(tears) to the ligament.
At minimum for the least severe sprain(grade 1) it is 2 to 4 weeks. But also with the damage done to the ligaments the knee joint is not as structurally sound which can lead to further more severe injury in the future.
Higher grade knee sprain can take 4 to 12 months to recover.
So do you feel better now that title says sprain?
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Urlacher was 6-4 258lbs at the combine. So I fail to see the comparison between him and Milano who is 6ft 221lbs.And Urlacher
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I agree with what you say about him catching in traffic even when not open etc all that.I've seen plenty video of him finding the soft spot in the zone, and consistently making catches even with defenders closing in.
I agree Taylor lacks anticipation while throwing but I think Jones actually game helps Taylor. You can throw to him in traffic, underneath, over the middle and he makes plays even if he's not wide open, beating out defenders with better instincts and quick, reliable hands.
I see him being a 1st down machine
But you once again ignore the main thing I said which is Tyrod is scared to throw the stuff you just said Jones is good at. So unless Tyrod does a complete 180 on what he did the last couple of years I don't see him or any of our WR's being 1st down machines.
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A lot gave him well beyond benefit of the doubt. I've seen lots of people claim he was one of if not the best GM in the league the last couple years on the BBMB.Didn't understand why people gave Whaley 100% of the benefit of the doubt his whole time here.
Kind of surprised to see the axe fall on him like that.
I think it's for the best.
A few others should be gone as well shortly... hopefully...
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Drinking the Kool-aid will do that to you.The same here.
NOW I see the DUMPSTER FIRE!
Never drink the kool-aid.
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This is the best Bills news I have heard in years.
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The problem that you don't seem to be paying attention to is we have Tyrod at QB.They may be right about the speed but I think the better term would be quick.
He just looks like he has quicker hands and feet then the dbs covering him. I'll say it again - he's going to be a 1st down machine
Tyrod is scared to throw to receivers that aren't wide open and he doesn't throw his receivers open or throw before they make their cut like good QB's are supposed to.
Now we have a WR with great hands but by all evaluations struggles to get any separation in college and in the pros it will be even harder. Now add the fact we have a QB who refuses to throw to someone like that and we will likely see or get very little out of him at least while Tyrod is QB.
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This reminds me of tank carder and he ended up not making the team.
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Good hands.well...what were the pros?
Good kid from a football family.
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Here is what NFL.com says
Play speed is very average. Lacks vertical push to force cornerbacks to open and run early and doesn't have second gear to separate from coverage down the field. Thin frame. Struggles to find clean releases against press coverage due to play strength and foot quickness. High-volume production helped by high percentage of short throws and wide receiver screens. Sticky out of breaks and unable to shake tight coverage. Limited amount of burst and wiggle after the catch and won't create much more than is there. Not overly-committed as a run blocker.
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Bills just traded up
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Don't know where you came up with all that fantasy stuff about him?I say that meaning that I think he will prosper as a starter. Even if it's mainly as the slot cb in the nickel.
Everywhere I look. Every scouting report talks about him having elite coverage. Bring able to mirror his WR , has great versatility and ball skills as well... And this was against elite SEC talent, for 4 years!!
Even his weaknesses on his scouting report aren't exactly too weak..
"The biggest concerns with White are his top-end speed and hand usage. White doesnt show elite speed or the ability to recover. Its tough to really gauge his speed because hes rarely out of position. His instincts keep him in proper position the majority of the time.
White tends to use his hands too much in coverage. He needs to learn to run with the receiver and avoid contact. This issue may lead to a high number of pass interference or holding calls early in Whites NFL career"
He might lack top end elite speed but his instincts and technique make up for it in a big way, I feel thesame about Ragland, for the record. And the hand touching can be fixed.
He lacks elite speed but has a very good burst, and is extremely quick in short spaces, which one can argue is better than having great top end speed
I think we got not only a starter, but a very good one. And this secondary as a whole is shaping up to be very interesting with tons of potential and young talent. Let's see Frazier coach these boys up and we can have a helluva secondary
He is good in press gets lost in space when in off coverage. He went from just solid to elite over night some how according to you. Lol
His 2015 year was terrible. He had 114+ QB rating against him. He had a good senior year but there is nothing elite about anything he does. You say his ball skills are great but he only had 6 career ints in 4 years that isn't great ball skills.
He isn't physical lacks strength. Is weak against the run doesn't like to tackle against the run. NFL.coms draft profile even says he shouldn't be an every down player because his weak physicality against the run and says he may contend for a nickel spot.
But he is elite according to you.
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Another wasted draft pick for the Bills. That was the most uneventful pick of the entire night.
NFLN was speechless other than Mayock who was trying to be polite and talk a little bit calling him solid which isn't much of a complement for a 1st round draft pick while the rest of them just sat there silent with nothing to say about him.
Can't wait for the usual Bills spin saying he was a top 10 pick on their board or the top rated CB on their board, etc. The usual made up bs they try to sell us fans.
The only thing that could even partially make me feel better at this point would be the Pegulas cleaning house completely in the next few days.
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Instant starter means nothing in th NFL. That doesn't mean they are good just because they start.
The Bills have lots of bad starters. Mills was a starter does that make him good? No he is terrible. Henderson started his entire rookie year and was the worst linemen in the NFL that year. But he was an "instant starter".
And just because he might start doesn't mean much when we have one of the worst secondaries in the league at the moment.
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Until Whaley offers him about a million dollars a game at the end of the season when our nobody WR's are all hurt and Sammy's foot is hurt again.
Then we will hear how all healed up and rested Harvin is and how he is going to be good. Lol then reality shows up again.
Rumor- Bills will entertain trade offers for Watkins?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Landry and OBJ both turned 24 in November at the end of the season so it makes no difference because they both had more yards before turning 24.
Julio had 6 count them just 6 more targets then Sammy. So there in no vast difference.