Nihilarian
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1 hour ago, Augie said:
Am I the only one who thinks the derogatory name calling is childish?
Yep, he is talking about an NFL head coach who has the 2nd most wins over the last five seasons. The #1 guy is Andy Reid for the KC Chiefs.
So, consider the source.
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WR Michael Thomas is still out there as a FA and I wonder what it would take to get him to Buffalo or if he is healthy enough to last a season.
If he can stay healthy he could make the whole offense more explosive.
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No, it won't!
This team has gotten close to an SB but no cigar mostly because the aged veterans fell off the truck at the end of the season. Diggs in particular because he saw the same amount of targets and did much less with them than he has done in the past. In the playoffs, the guy has gone invisible for the last few years.
Against the Chiefs Diggs, had 8 targets with 3 receptions for 21 yards. Does that look like #1 WR numbers with an average salary of 24 mill per? Gabe Davis was the 49th-best WR in the NFL in 2023. 17 games and he didn't look like a solid #2 WR. Buffalo needed new younger blood in a lot of areas.
The Buffalo defensive line was supposed to be a solid force at the end of the season and yet didn't do anything against the Chiefs 0 sacks and only 2 QB hits, Groot and Lawson.
This team needed some younger, less expensive players and the Bills found some in this year's draft. Keon Colman should be a huge upgrade over Gabe Davis and might even look more like that #1 as time goes on.
My take is this team takes the division again this season and most of you Bills fans might be surprised at how some of these new players look like.
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Some Bills fans need to understand that the old way of signing worn-out free agents is no longer a viable option. So instead Beane is going to the draft instead of the free agent that doesn't get it done at the end of the year. Worn-out retreads aren't always the answer.
Beane knows what he doing.
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Gabe Davis's replacement?
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Diggs was great during the first half of last season and not so good in the second half. He was still getting the majority of the pass targets and wasn't doing as much because of the OC change. With Bubble screens and such. Diggs wasn't happy about the switch from Daboll to Ken Dorsey either at first.
However, it's about winning games and not attempting to make one player happy each game. Joe Brady looks like a huge upgrade to Dorsey / Daboll in understanding how to utilize a running attack along with a passing attack.
Diggs, I suspect he was about to become a very large disgruntled pain in the ass to the team with his diva-like behavior...again. I highly doubt any other receiver on this roster is going to start yelling at the QB, leave the locker room early to avoid the media, or not show up for team practices.
Even with all his baggage I'd think that this FO would have kept him had he shown any ability to make some big plays during the playoffs. When the competition got tougher he disappeared from the playoffs the last three years. That last Chiefs playoff game. 8 targets for 3 receptions for 21 yards...one fumble. He dropped a big play pass too.
Josh will be ok. JMO
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Allen is probably more upset about losing Center Mitch Morse.
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7 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:
They dumped Diggs because he was a cancer … what he got paid is irrelevantNot only that, they ate 30 mill in cap space to dump him and another 3 mill to boot. When we look back I think it had to be done no matter how well he does during the regular season for the Texans.
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1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:
The downside to that is you are going to pay out a big contract. If you hit on a rookie, you can use that money elsewhere in constructing a roster. I think the top 3 have pretty high floors, along with high ceilings. I'd rather risk it, if it is the choice you offer. The other option of staying at #28 or a smaller trade up or back has its own calculations.
I dunno. Trading up into the top ten for one of the big three might cost a whole lot more than Aiyuk who might only cost next years #2 and later picks. Trading into the top ten this year would probably cost this year #1 & #2 AND picks next year...and nothing in the draft is a sure thing.
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As I posted in a different thread. If Buffalo is going to use up some draft picks for a trade...I'd rather see them trade for SF WR Brandon Aiyuk over some rookie who may or may not ever become the #1 WR that Aiyuk already is.
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I would much rather see the Buffalo Bills make a trade with SF for Aiyuk than trade the resources to move up in the draft to take one of the top three. Aiyuk is a sure thing #1 WR and not a maybe or someone that might take years to develop into a #1...if ever.
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Brandon Aiyuk, 6'' 200lbs. Drafted by SF in the 1st round #22 overall. Four-year player 26 years old.
2023 stats, 105 targets, 75 catches for 1342 yards, 7 TDs, success % 70.5. The catch percentage is 71.4%. 12.8 yards per target. The #7 rated WR in the NFL last season. Diggs was 13th. Gabe Davis was 49th.
Aiyuk is a clear #1 WR, no question.
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2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:
An isolated piece of anecdotal information is hardly instructive in any calculated decision.
You gotta go with the percentages/odds/what happens most of the time.
The Bills just gave up a LOT to get Stefon Diggs and it was a big deal move at the time, but it worked out as well as you can imagine.
I am NOT a fan of moving up in general, I think it's the wrong way to do things...but without elite talent at WR, we are going nowhere.
Does an "elite" talent at WR fall on his face for the playoffs? Diggs went invisible against Cincy in that critical home playoff game in which he was yelling at Josh Allen. His stats were 10 targets, and 4 receptions for 35 yards. The most targeted offense player and he fell on his face. It has been like this for most playoff games he played in during his time in Buffalo.
The last half of last season showed that the team will do just fine without Diggs as he was the most targeted during that time and did less.
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As I mentioned, the cost of trading up to one of those top 3 is cost-prohibitive. The cost would be going from 660, #28 to #4 1800.
In trading for Julio Jones the Atlanta Falcons never made it to the SB with Mike Smith as HC. The guy who drafted him. Then they did make one SB later on and the GM was canned. Using up all those draft resources to move up costs the team players at other positions. Hence after two decent seasons, Atlanta went 4-12, 6-10. 8-8.
This team has a bunch of maybes on it at many positions, along with many needs for elite talent at Center, WR, Safety, DT, DE / pass rusher, ILB, and CB.
How many "elite" players are on the current roster? The more you draft the better the chance of finding one of those guys. Lord knows it's tough enough drafting so late. But then, to give up so many current and future picks on a "maybe" is reckless.
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The Patriot's offensive formula for winning so many SBs is to play good defense, have a good running game, move the chains to the red zone, and later on have a good TE to catch those red zone TDs (Gronk)...and oh yeah, Tom Brady at QB.
Nevertheless, the Chiefs made it to the SB and won with that same game plan last season. The Bucs did it with that game plan.
That game plan still works. Buffalo has the QB with Allen, the running game with Cook, and the TEs with Knox, and Kincade. Gotta get that defense to a top-five unit with a dominant pass rush.
Defense wins championships! Last year the Chiefs had the #2 overall defense.
I wouldn't be upset with a defensive player taken at #28, Saftey, DT, Edge rusher, or a center. Just as long as they address the WR position at some point too.
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17 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
There are WR'S in this draft that can be impact WR's other than the "Big 3". Cosell said as such. He sees AD Mitchell as one of those guys, along with Thomas Jr., who can become that. Franklin was considered a stud until the combine.
Fans get too damn wrapped up in names and who the media pushes. I still feel we can get an impact guy at 28 or even move down into the early 2nd round and grab one. There is just no way I would give up anything more than a 2nd next year to move up in the 1st IF even that.
Exactly, I remember that most of this fan base wanted the Bills to trade up to the #2 spot with the NY Giants in 2018 to draft Josh Rosen! How much of a mistake would that have been by giving up the farm for a bum? It could happen at WR too.
If this is a such rich WR draft class why feel the need to move up to get one as there are 12 WRs listed in DJ's top 50 players?
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2024-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-2-0
While other teams are scrambling to find that elusive franchise QB or pass rusher, or OT. Buffalo could sit tight and get a really good player at 28. OR trade back and pick up that extra 3rd rounder that they lost with the Edmunds moved from a 3rd to a 4th.
The Green Bay Packers have made a living out of drafting WRs in the second round. What about Puka Nacua in the 5th last year?
The only position that currently is worrisome to me is the center position by losing Mitch Morse, who called the offensive protections and was a stable force at that position since 2019 and was a pro bowler.
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I keep reading about Julio Jones and the big trade-up to get him for the QB Matt Ryan led Falcons in 2011. The Falcons didn't even get to an SB until 2016, 5 years after that trade, and even then... they lost to the NE Patriots in that game. The Falcons that SB season also had Devonta Freeman at RB in a balanced offense.
After that trade for Julio Jones, Atlanta lost the WildCard game that season and lost in the conference championship to the 49ers after a 13-3 season. The Falcons didn't even make the playoffs with WR Julio Jones in 2013-2014-2015 going 4-12, 6-10 and 8-8.
Lots of folks saying that the reason for the declining years was because of the resources spent on that stud WR. And that HC Mike Smith was canned along the way in 2015, the GM a bit later in 2020.
Let's look at the team that beat the Falcons in that Super Bowl, the NE Patriots. Yes, they had Tom Brady at QB all those SB years. But who else did they have? SB in 2001 with WR Troy Brown. The funny thing with that 2001 season was the only 1000-yard season Troy Brown had in his 15 seasons with NE. They also had WR Randy Moss in 2007-2008-2009 and he had 3 1000-yard seasons in NE and yet they made one SB in 2007 only to lose it and didn't make it in the next two seasons with Moss.
So, I'm thinking that these stud superstar WRs don't always make a team an SB contender. Calvin Johnson, 2007 2015. Megatron, he ever make a SB? Larry Fitzgerald for Arizona 2004-2020. He made it to one SB and lost it. Steve Largent, Seattle 1976-1989 with 8, 1000-yard seasons.
I look at the NE Patriots who run the very same offensive scheme as the current Buffalo Bills (Erhardt-Perkins). So what did they do so well that got them to so many SBs and wins? They usually played great defense with Ole Bill as the HC. They moved the chains with Troy Brown, Wess Welker, and Julian Edelman, and when they went to the red zone they had a big TE in Rob Gronkowski. Buffalo has their "chain movers" in Shakir, Knox, and Dalton Kincade.
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57 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:
Jones is prolly a HOF guy, but Cleveland, being Cleveland, made a complete mess of the picks they got.
As for the thread's proposal, nah, I wouldn't do it. Too rich for my blood.
The Browns being the Browns... think of it... for the 6th overall pick in the 2011 draft, they gave up 5 draft picks. Atlanta's #27 in 2011, their 2012 1st-round pick. Their 2nd and 4th round picks in 2011 plus a 4th in 2012. All for QB Matt Ryan.
They could have drafted WR Randall Cobb in round 2.
Speaking of the Cleveland Browns, they drafted RB Trent Richardson at #3 in 2012 along with QB Brandon Weedon at #22, Holy cow
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26 minutes ago, DCofNC said:
That one hurts, Watkins did look like Julio Jones 2.0, so I get the idea, hard to know he was going to be a lazy bum though. Evans turned out to be amazing, would have been a great pick. OBJ was also very good for quite a while, wouldn’t have minded that pick either, but alas, we took the one guy who busted. The fact they wasted the pick on EJ was the worst. Stupid ole coot Buddy forced a pick and we got nothing for it. If you are confident in trading DOWN for your franchise QB, don’t take that dude.
What gets me is these so-called scouts, and GMs watch "highlight" films and think they know the player. If Whaley had done some actual research he would have seen that Watkins made most of his yards in screenplays at Clemson. Exactly how many screenplays did the Buffalo Bills make back in those years?
Doug Whaley was the GM in 2013 and went down to personally scout EJ at Florida St. He drafted Watkins to help his bad pick at QB. 2013, man that was just a bad year for QBs, Geno Smith, Mike Glennon, and Matt Barkley...
Fitz was the QB in 2012 under Chan Gailey and Saint Doug was hired to replace him in 2013. They should have kept Fitz...
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On 4/7/2024 at 3:03 PM, Steve Billieve said:
I’m old enough to remember Sammy Watkins
And, think of all the other players this franchise could have drafted in 2014 if only Whaley knew what he was doing. Trading up they could have drafted Mike Evans a 1000-yard WR every year since being drafted...but then if he had he still might be an NFL GM...somewhere. Look back at that 2014 Buffalo Bills draft class...that GM was clueless.
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In 2018, before that year's draft, most of this entire fan base was clamoring for Brandon Beane to move up to the #2 spot held by the NY Giants to draft...QB Josh Rosen. Thus giving up many draft picks to move up.
Thankfully, no teams wanted to give up their draft positions. Not the Cleveland Browns at #1 & #4 overall. Not the NY Giants at #2, not the NY Jets at #3, nor the Broncos at #5, not the Colts at #6.
Do any of you guys think that any of those teams would change their 2018 first-round pick at this point?
Beane didn't go stupid and give up the farm for Rosen or any other QB as he only gave up an extra #2 to move up from #12 to #7 with Tampa to Draft Josh Allen.
This isn't a QB that all you guys want to move up for and who knows if the guy will turn out to be a bum like Rosen?
Look at the Green Bay Packers as they seem to find top WRs in the second round. Minnesota found WR Justin Jefferson in 2020 with that #22 Buffalo first-round pick that they traded for Stephon Diggs.
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it's the offseason and all the talking heads are doing is desperately attempting to get clicks.
Look at the numbers, Josh made Diggs and not the other way around as he was a 2year out of 5 as a 1000-yard WR. Never an all-pro or pro-bowler and when he learned that the Vikings were going to be a run-first offense... he wanted out.
The thing about Kincade and Shakir is that they rarely drop a ball and will always go for a contested catch. Look at Diggs's playoff stats the last few years and he falls on his face in those games instead of stepping up.
That guy was not worth #1 money anymore and yelled, cried, and whined when the team lost. He wanted to be carried and yet he was the supposed #1 WR.
Beane is brilliant for getting a #2 pick even if it is for next year's draft.
With 579 passing attempts last season, I think some receivers will step up and Buffalo's offense will be better for it...especially in the playoffs.
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2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:
Again it's still a bunch of JAGs on offense. It works on the regular season but you need that elite talent to win when it matters.
Josh Allen, James Cook, Dalton Kincade, Kahlil Shakir, and Dawson Know are not just a bunch of guys. The end of last year showed that and if Buffalo had a decent #1 and #2 WR this team would beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. Diggs falls on his face and yells at others. Gabe Davis was injured...even healthy he isn't a true #2.
This FO wants guys that will catch the ball, contested or not, that will step up in the playoffs. The best should be yet to come if Beane can work his magic on a WR.
We all thought Diggs was that guy...but no!
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No way...
far too much talent and needs at positions to give up that much for a "maybe"
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Realistic "Transition Year" Expectations
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Also, Bills fans need to understand that at the end of the last few seasons, the Buffalo defense has suffered numerous injuries. Besides, the Buffalo defensive line was a supposed strong point, and yet against the Chiefs, they only had 2 QB hits from Groot and Lawson, and no sacks.
This team needed a purge of older, expensive veterans who were falling on their faces at the end of the season. Diggs was one of them as his targets didn't decline from the first of the season to the second half, but his production fell off big time. Plus, he would turn nearly invisible in the playoffs.
In my view, Buffalo had an amazing draft and filled many holes with some very talented players. So the team didn't draft the guy most Bills fans wanted at WR. How about we wait and see what this team looks like in preseason? Relax and have faith in the guy who found and drafted QB Josh Allen.