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8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
Disrespectful would be blasting music over the anthem to interfere with other peoples' observance of it. Making your own choice not to stand does not force your opinion on anyone else.
Your slow but deliberate descent from a contributing poster to the occasional troll has been sad to watch.
No reason to kneel during the national anthem unless you want to make a statement through silent disregard. I don't think too many people even care about it anymore. By the end of this season it will have the punch of the ice bucket challenge.
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13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
The point that kneeling is not about “disrespecting the flag” or the military to the people who are protesting. It’s about making a different respectful gesture to draw attention to the fact that some people’s experience of the country is not of “liberty and justice for all”. You absolutely don’t have to share that viewpoint, but you could at least acknowledge it.
If players kneel, I would actually expect to see players like Josh Allen and Dawson Knox kneeling as a gesture of solidarity (“one for all, all for one”). But I would actually be surprised to hear of players pressured into kneeling if they say “in my life experience, this is what it means, and I can’t kneel because to me, that would be disrespectful”. From what I see and year, I think that would be respected; I’ll even go out on a limb and say there are some players who would respect that stance more as being genuine than someone they think is “putting on” a stance they don’t truly believe in.
Where Brees got into trouble, seems to me (and I refer you to Shannon Sharpe’s eloquent “Undisputed” take) is in saying “And no matter your life experience and your families, this is what it should mean to YOU.”
I just want to say that I’m truly impressed by the use of “ouroboros”. That’s just a beautiful word. Say it out loud. See what I mean?
Kneeling during the national anthem was/is intentionally done to be disrespectful. Whether you personally feel disrespected is up to you. It is specifically done at an exact time that everyone know will bother some. If it wasn't intentional the kneeling would take place before the game, halftime, or after the game.
I have never been bothered by it, even in the beginning. I do think it is completely ineffective and silly. The story has always been more about the kneeling than the message. It also doesn't make sense to say you want to be heard and then start the process by intentionally insulting people.
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2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:
You mean like the folks who, just a few weeks ago, were literally protesting with assault rifles?EDIT: can you imagine the collective pearl-clutching that would happen if thousands of black males protested outside a statehouse holding assault rifles? The rhetoric that would come out of 1600 Penn?? I can’t believe some of this spin...
This is inaccurate. There were less than 100 idiots with assault rifles and said idiots caused no damage. The violence, death, destruction, and number of players involved in the riots is obviously not even close. I don't understand the point of this argument but comparing the trash that showed up in Michigan isn't a comparison at all.
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4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:
I’d rather have Shaq then a 34 YO Addison. Dude looked like he was on the decline last season. While Shaq is no pass rush beast, he is starting to develop into a solid end all around.... he’s better than Addison at this point and it will show this year IMO.
I don’t think Phillips will be missed as much. Love the Jefferson signing and if Butler plays like he did last year their line is going to be an absolute force inside.
People seem to automatically assume since Whaley drafted the player he doesn’t fit the Bills current “culture”. It’s asinine.
I agree, Shaq will be better than Addison this year. Although our D shouldn't miss a beat.
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1 minute ago, GregPersons said:
I'm not in Buffalo and I've said my general location before but won't repeat it, because I wouldn't ask it (though I do still want @billsfan1959 to back up his claim about his career as a police officer, and since civil servants career records are a matter of public record, that is more than fair). Similarly, I would not ask any of you to meet me in person anywhere, so I'm not interested but thank you.
This thread is purely for online video conferencing, or for submitting a video recording of your posts, which I am willing to pay for. All I want to do is to show what Bills Fans think about what has been happening in Buffalo and nation wide.
It's not as though the Bills Fans don't have thoughts! They do! But it's different reading versus seeing/hearing it, I think we can all agree.
Perhaps you should post a video of yourself listing the posters you would like to participate in the project. At least it would show the posters you are willing to put your money where your mouth is.
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1 hour ago, brooklynbill said:
Not so simple, Unfortunately one's zip code is too often a predictor of his or her life outcome. I was fortunate enough to get an education, buy a home and and am in position to retire early. But a lot of my friends, family and people who look like me were never given that opportunity. I will speak for them because they don't have a voice or platform.
Young people of all backgrounds around the world are pissed off and have chosen stand up for hamanity. Unfortunately many of their parents are more concerned with their loss of privilege.
What loss of "privilege" comes with a better life for minorities? I think that would make for a better life for everyone including my kids. In fact I don't care if it means I have a smaller piece of the pie. My slice isn't all that big right now but i don't care.
Defunding police, rooting out racism on Facebook, and making white people apologize doesn't fix anything though.
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14 minutes ago, brooklynbill said:
Yo do understand that crime is socio-economic right? An uneducated white person is a lot more likely to committed a crime than a black college grad. Black people were not born with a criminal DNA.
This is where the pushback on BLM is agreeing with you. The disregard for educating the youth in many black communities is destroying them. These conditions will never change until this is overcome. Police brutality is just passing the buck again. The politicians and media who push this agenda have a vested interest in your anger.
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44 minutes ago, brooklynbill said:
Because privilege is something you don't thing about until you don't have it. Kinda like oxygen. I wish you could could a day in black skin. you would be appalled.
What about the black people that disagree with your opinion? The ones that are shamed into silence. Does their black skin work for you too?
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8 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:
Shifting some funding isn’t that bad of an idea...
No not a bad idea and should be explored. The problem is that the term "defunding police" is an absurd way to describe that. On top of that you actually have morons trying to convince people we should have no police.
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10 minutes ago, Doc said:
Then who do you support? And do not tell me AOC.
There are about a dozen black kids from Hartford who are bused into our (excellent) public school. The vast majority don't care to be there and learn.
To further the point, 1st generation immigrants in the same city school districts have had success. Kids that come from very different parts of the world and have language barriers.
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Just now, Penfield45 said:
when teachers are buying their own supplies and kids are being denied lunch bc they can't afford it, yes...it is.
I would agree that in some communities the education system is failing but it is more attributed to the parents. My neighbors are City of Rochester teachers and they get nothing from parents. 120 students and maybe 1 or 2 parents show up to parent teacher meetings, no call backs, no emails answered, no shows by students, etc.
It's not for lack of erasers that the school is failing. As far as the lunches go, I know that the schools were delivering meals by bus during the coronavirus portion of the school year. Kids were getting meals everyday.
A math teacher at one of the city high schools sent out an assignment to his classes and got like 5 responses.
It is a cultural issue.
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6 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:
what the actual ***** is wrong with you. like honestly how dumb can you people get????
so you are against better education for your children/grandchildren? the american education system is totally broken, but yes lets keep funding police millions on millions for what exactly? Why do you want police to be so over funded? you have not answered this question yet and I'm waiting.
The education system is not totally broken.
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Twitter has had a negative impact on the country/world. To many people hold the instant opinions of celebs in high regard. How many NFL players need to condemn Jake Fromm? I don't hear a peep from any of these guys when a player beats on a woman.
The issue should have been handled in house but that's not today's world and it's a shame.
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20 minutes ago, ALF said:
Living wage jobs regardless of education. Those were mostly outsourced to low wage countries.
Or we could work on educating our black youth and assisting the black business owner
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4 minutes ago, SDS said:
Justified or cause?I saw a number of city departments outnumbered by people brazenly committing crimes. I saw the vast majority of departments show tremendous patience. They literally had Molotov cocktails being thrown at them in NYC.
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8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I don't want to live without a police force, myself. I think there's pretty overwhelming support for change right now but stopping short of defunding police.
Demilitarizing yes.
Imma sound like a broken record here, but while I agree completely on the militarization, and I'm sure in some cases training is at fault (we were discussing in the SB earlier, how some police forces around here expect cadets to fund their own police academy training "on spec" before they hire) - TBH what I see as the problem is the lack of accountability. 98.3% of the police who kill a civilian are never charged with a crime. I'm sure many of those cases are justified. But some are pretty egregious.
As a history buff, pretty sure you appreciate that history shows when people believe they can do something with impunity, it lessens their deterrence to doing it, even if it's illegal, unjustified, immoral etc.
I'm all for reasonable police reform. Let's face it, some departments probably need to be evaluated from top to bottom.
The demilitarizing is a tough thing to sell me. I'm not in favor of a military style police force being used on the regular but hasn't the last two weeks kind of justified having that capability?
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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Yeah, I like that bet at +300. As calculated as Brees is, those are great odds. He’s going to do whatever makes him look the best.
I enjoy your personal contributions on experiences that you have had with players. Brees has always struck me as a selfish dude.
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5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Bet of the year! Nice odds
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8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
To be fair, no one involved with the NFL or on an NFL team went on a witch hunt. Someone who knew the guy put it out there for (??) whatever motivation.
I truthfully am not sure that "black lives matter" is much more than a slogan and a hashtag. There's a loose network. Wiki says "The phrase "Black Lives Matter" can refer to a Twitter hashtag, a slogan, a social movement, or a loose confederation of groups advocating for racial justice. As a movement, Black Lives Matter is decentralized, and leaders have emphasized the importance of local organizing over national leadership.[30] Activist DeRay McKesson has commented that the movement "encompasses all who publicly declare that black lives matter and devote their time and energy accordingly."[31]
The emphasis on local organizing over national leadership would align with your perception of "rudderless ship" - a decentralized network will seem that way.
I don't see the "joke" or the "hate filled" thing. A joke is something one laughs at. I can't personally laugh at people who are protesting unjust death at the hands of police.
To me BLM has digressed into a strange mix that is actually exploiting the black community more than helping. Politicians use it elevate their brand, tons of white people are using it as a photo op, anti America groups have hijacked it, media profits on it, and many crimes against citizens have been committed under it's cover.
I don't think "defunding the police" is reasonable platform for a movement. Nevermind the fact that it does nothing to address the real problems in education, housing, crime, and healthcare. All of which are literally destroying generations of people.
BLM is also very very divisive. It offers zero open dialogue amongst outsiders. I personally believe that racism played a big part of putting black communities where they are. I also believe that systematic racism is over and that it would never be tolerated again. You can certainly make a case for income disparities but that is another story. Highlighting individual racist actions are fine but you don't burn down cities for that. The witch hunts against whites is real. People are being called out left and right over nonsense. Look at what Ellen DeGeneres is getting crushed for. Hateful nonsense
The part everyone is scared to admit is that black communities are not holding each other accountable. The truth is, they are the only ones who can lift themselves up. Too many leaders want to attack whites and nit pick what they say or do. LeBron James has single handedly made countless absurd remarks that are just dishonest.
I am willing to be a part of a solution but right now I am not allowed to have an opinion, need to repent, check my white privilege, and am most likely a racist. When that kind crap ends, let me know and I'm in.
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12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
This is all totally getting out of hand
There is not one person here who never made a mistake in their life, let alone at 20 years old
And notice the entire text conversation was not included, there's lots information we're not privy too. A chick dropped a few lines of a private conversation
If he said n word should never be allowed to have guns, I'm dead serious
That would be a super racist thing that should not be forgiven and he should be cut
He actually put down white people also, because notice he said elite white people? That infers that he thinks non-elite white people shouldn't have silencers either
Which is like 99% of all whites
None of this is to the betterment of black folks. Going on witch hunts for white people who might have said something racist? Talk about a fruitless way to go about life and one that has produced nothing in the past. BLM is a joke and just a hate filled rudderless ship.
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1 hour ago, GregPersons said:
What are the real problems? Who should be changing?
My neighbors are city school teachers in the city of Rochester. They have 100+ students on average every year. Through the course of a school year they will have contact with a couple of parents. Open house? A couple show up, sometimes zero Emails? Never a response Phone calls? Same as open houses, a couple maybe
Year in and year out the results are the same. My neighbors are a mixed race couple and have literally cried about this when telling us.
Bad cops should pay a price but the 9 unarmed deaths of blacks last year mean zilch in impact.
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GregPersons is the reason this "movement" is going to fizzle into nothing again. It's a white witch hunt that offers no solutions geared towards helping the black community. How many different forums is he running around calling strangers racist? The election will come and go, millennials will be onto the next look at me movement, and violence within the black community will be the same.
This the sad truth.
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6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:
I love the request regarding white women: "Guilt them into getting rid of their stright 'white' hair to show 'solidarity' with black women."
Just guilt them into it. Just shame them into it. Just bully them into it.
Seems like a reasonable, honest, respectful way to go about doing things.
Yes and what progress this movement has had on the black community. Shaming white folks will make things better.
Most of these spineless white people are treating this whole thing as a moment to up their social media standing. It's basically the new Ice Bucket Challenge for these clowns.
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40 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
I think the friend who posted it was a girl
Watch out for a scorned woman! I wonder if any of Fromms Georgia teammates have commented on social media about him.
Jake Fromm: Controversial comments
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I didn't say that I felt it was personally disrespectful. I said that some people do. If you wanted to start a conversation like Kaep originally claimed it probably doesn't make sense to start that way.
Obviously it's too deep for you.