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1. - Kuechly
2. - Kirkpatrick
3. - Tannehill
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This secondary will shine w the pass rush we will have this year. Byrd mckelvin Williams are athletes who will make plays when qbs are rushed. You could give us hall of fame secondary and they would have failed last year as well IMO I'll judge and throw dirt on mck and company after this year. NYG won Super Bowl w no lbs or CB,s
Or a legitimate LT as David Diehl is terrible and started the season as a LG.
Trading up for an OT is absolutely ridiculous, and I hope and pray that Nix is smarter then that.
Draft Kuechly @ 10 and than draft Josh Robinson @ 41 and this defense gets a primetime LB'er and the best off-man/zone CB in the draft. Stack the defense.
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What does 2008 have anything to do with 2011 and beyond?
As it is always said defenses take less time to get up to speed and offenses need time to develop chemistry and rhythm. I would say the exact opposite is true. Our defense got worse as the year went on. Our offense got worse as well due to an overwhelming number of injuries at key spots like WR and O-line. By mid season we had a wild cat QB and a RB starting at WR. Add that to a banged up injured groin SJ and that is piss poor talent to work with as a QB.
The lockout was more disruptive to defenses than offenses, and for obvious reasons this effect was strongest earlier in the season.
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Fitz played well at the beginning of the year because of the lockouts effect on defenses in this league. Here is one of many examples to back this point:
I feel that this year the teams that prospered were able to exploit defensive misalignments and coverage breakdowns that were endemic early in the season as a result of the reduced practice time caused by the lockout. I'd suggest that this was partly responsible for the explosion of passing across the league.
Now to my example.
Wes Welker - After five games Welker had 740 yards, an average of 148 yards per game, in the remaining eleven weeks he averaged 75 yards per game, which extrapolates to about 1200 yards, which is close to the sort of numbers he normally puts up.
You can NOT deny the effect that the lockout had. Defenses got better, teams got better, the Bills have Ryan Fitzpatrick and went 1-8 down the stretch
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It isn't "really good." There are problems. It's just that for a change, it isn't the weakest unit on the team. If they were THAT good, we would not be drafting in the 10 slot.
Really? You actually belive what you just typed?
So the Bills would have won more than 6 games if the Oline was better, is your argument? Thats hilarious to the point of absurdity. So how many wins does an offensive line get your football team? How many losses are they responsible for? What about when that unit ranks as one of the top units in the league? What about when your starting Rb is leading the league in rushing before he gets injured and your backup comes and the run game is still effective?
Lets not blame the real problem. A QB who is a bottom feeder in the league, who is on his 3rd team in his 7th going on 8th year. A QB who led the league in INT's? Couldnt be him? Couldnt be a defense that couldnt even get PRESSURE on Qb's. It must be the must productive unit on the entire team. Makes sense!!!!
Lets waste a top 10 pick on a OT. Instead of addressing the defense or playmakers. Brilliant.
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exactly !!.... the unit as whole SUCKS !!...according to Rotoworld's analysis they are ranked 30th out of 32 teams. the ONLY reason they show up statistically at all is because Fitz throws the ball in 3 seconds or less and Fred Jackson is a league leader in YAC yards after contact.
YOu have got to be kidding me. That article was written in August of 2011. BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED. What a joke. Here is what is currently being said about our Oline:
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/23/ranking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-2/
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/21/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-guards-and-centers/
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/
THis offensive line is really good, and so many people grossly undervalue them.
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The length of the thread you start is completely irrelevant to the quality of the post(s).
Which of my posts lacked quality and was off-base? Should say something that the thread has over 200 replies and is 11 pages long. Only the tebow thread had more action.
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NFN, but In your first post you came out stating that because Eli Manning has the most QB pressures on him he plays behind the worst O line in the NFL. Then you state because the Bills line allowed some of the fewest sacks they have one of the best O lines, and the Bills QB is the problem.
Even after I, and others gave clear evidence to you that the stats don't always tell the true story. Evidence that showed that Eli has some of the best O linemen in the league, that the Bills have some of the worst O linemen in the league, that the Bills QB isn't nearly as bad as you make him out to be. You still hold to the beliefs that stats must be the word of god.
I can understand that you feel the need to defend your post, but to blindly stand behind statements that are clearly more then moronic shows what type of person the fans in this forum will need to deal with. You don't like Fitz, we get it. NFL stats put out by pro football focus and other sites are the word of god to you, and you can't be shown any different. Moron is a pretty harsh word, but someone who states that an article isn't any good because it was a few months old is a moron in my view.
In my first post in this thread I welcomed you. I take that welcome back I feel sorry for someone that can't get over their player hate long enough to open their mind to what the truth is. You won't even take the word of an NFL player over your own thinking.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, thank you for clarifying what that is so I can avoid entering into other discussions with you.
Bwah, really? You and others gave clear evidence of what? How did you prove ANYTHING with any point that you made? The Giants have "some of the best Olineman in the league? Really? who? Which of the Bills starting lineman is considered one of the worst in the league?
Its ok, I get it now. Your name is "fear the beard" and clearly shows your bias. Somehow its the fault of 5 players on the oline that finished at the top of the league in almost EVERY statistical category, and not that of the QB who was and always has been a bottom feeder in every statisitical measure? Thats not logical thinking by any sense of the imagination. You think for one second that I care what your opinion of me is, when you take the stance that I jsut pointed out boldly and accurately? Keep thinking that I will lose a single wink of sleep because "fear the beard" wont engage in debate with me.
You havent proven a single thing to me, and I can tell that you probably NEVER will. You want to throw around words like "moron" yet take the stance that Fitz is somehow some magical player, that comes into his own, while on his 3rd team in 7 years, and a statistical bottom feeder, who has only won 6 games in one season as a starter. A guy who has 68 tds for his career and 63 ints with 32 career fumbles (15 lost), giving him a TO margin of 68 tds/78 total TO's. A guy who avg's 188.6 yards a game, on 35.6 attempts, whos career completion % is 59.2 and an astounding 5.5 ypa. This is the guy that you think is a "franchise QB"? What planet do you live on? Yeah, Im the moron.
Furthermore, when someone refers to an article that was written in the first week of November, that is as laughable as I can even think. When comparing what happens over the course of a season, you dont cherry pick an article from November especially when the debate is happeining in February of the following year. Completely laughable and will NEVER hold valididty with me. That article proves absolutely NOTHING.
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Wow. With your disdain for the board why do you post here? Obviously nobody on here can teach you a thing about football and you obviously aren't concerned with sharing in discussions on this board. Is this just a vehicle to express your frustration and spit venom? Some use it as such but it brings nothing to the table of benefit.
I have ZERO disdain for this board, dont know where you got that at? How do I not share in discussions on this board? My very first thread topic is now 11 pages long, I have also contributed my opinions to quite a few other discussions on this board.
It took me 3 days of being on this board to realize what kind of poster you are. You try your hardest to bait other posters into assinine arguments in which you have zero credibility (based on the posts I have read of yours). Its quite comical, and your lack of knowledge seeps through my computer screen. So until you make a valid point, or a thought provoking post, dont expect me to acknowledge your existance.
I like this board and most seem knowledgable, its you though dude, that contributes nothing but venom and misinformation. Keep up the good work (sorry, I just threw up a little).
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Funny that you felt a need to spread your ideas to other forums because people were shooting you down at BBMB.
We can do this all day. Fitz threw nothing but quick slants all game and still got hit. It was a nightmare. We need a LT just as much as Fitz needs deep accuracy. Only then can we run a real offense.
Your analysis is garbage nice try.
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Funny that you felt a need to spread your ideas to other forums because people were shooting you down at BBMB.
We can do this all day. Fitz threw nothing but quick slants all game and still got hit. It was a nightmare. We need a LT just as much as Fitz needs deep accuracy. Only then can we run a real offense.
First off, there isnt a single intelligent idea on BBMB.
Second, who are you?
Not one person on BBMB has ever "shot me down", no idea what you are talking about? Again, that board is completely lowest common denominator.
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He makes that claim because its the deadest time of the offseason and he needs to attract viewers. Plus, all of these statements, predictions and claims are subject to change at least 3 or 4 times before the draft as "more information" is gathered.
Agreed, it should all be taken with a grain of salt.
Coples and Upshaw would be very different positions on this team. While Im a huge Upshaw fan, the switch to the 43 has left me guessing, in general. I had been working on a comprehensive post about who we should draft and how they would fit in our 34 Defense. But now I have absolutely no idea what Wanny is going to do, or how he wants to address our needs.
With the 43 over being a one gap and spill defense which is predicated on forcing plays outside of the hashes, I think this makes the pick at 10 a no-brainer if Coples is on the board. I think sometimes people think that because we are looking for a pass-rusher that miraculously it will take the team sack numbers through the roof, when actually this defense isnt ran that way. The main purpose is to create pressures on every play and attack the playside/strongside, and force mistakes into the zone coverage schemes. This defense is more TO oriented than it is sack oriented.
Upshaws biggest weakness IMO is his inability to shed blockers once he is engaged, Coples with his length doesnt have this problem and will be a mismatch consistently. Also consider that Dareus and Williams will free up Coples to just free range and make plays, because one or the other or both will require double teams. The most important factor to me with Coples is that he is athletic enough to stand up and also big enough to slide inside on 3rd downs to man the DT spot and we can have a "NASCAR" style speed rush on 3rd down in the vein of what the Giants do with Tuck and Canty.
I would lose my mind if we could get Coples at 10, and it would immediately take a unit that has question marks, to being one of the top 3-5 in the league.
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I think, it's Ingram or Upshaw in the first. Marcillis (spelling) or Devon Still are the dark horses. The combine Forty times and short shuttle and Jumps are key for DE if he they have a great combine it's going to change the result. Coples does not show any love of the game. We have drafted guys like that in the past with disasterous results. A guy with Mayock's rep does not come out that strong on a player unless he knows something.
Mayock is good, but I dont think he should be held in the regard that he is by some people. He watches the same film as any fan, he doesnt have access to the "All 22" like coaches and GM's have. I would take what Mayock says with a grain of salt as well.
I dont know how he can make that claim before the combine and individual workouts. So many of the "pundits" and "talking heads" always misconstrue readers to believe hype forgetting that Coples and UNC as a whole went through a change this year in philosophy with a new coach at the helm. Scheme changes and coaching ability can disrupt a player in so many ways. I think that is why people assume Coples doesnt have a consistant motor.
Once the combine rolls around, Coples is gonna blow the doors off the place with his measurables. He is 6'6 281 with 10 inch hands, 34 inch arms, and an amazing 80 inch wingspan. When your ceiling is Julius Peppers and Ingrams is probably Elvis Dumerville, it wouldnt/shouldnt take a rocket scientist to see the upside and make the pick. If by some miracle Coples is on the board at 10, I dont think there is anyway that Nix wont pull the trigger.
sidenote: I am not a fan at all of Upshaw in this defense.
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My point was in my original response. I said that a great qb can make lesser talent look better than it is. To say that a qb is immaterial to a discussion about receiver productivity is ludicrous.
I think we agree that Fitz I'd not a great qb so getting him help is not a bad thing if the player is right. Again the best receivers in the game are Larry Fitzgerald Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson are top 5 picks. Are you saying those are wasted picks?
I'll ask it this way does Calvin Johnson make stafford better or does stafford make Johnson better?
Or how about this way if we put Fitz on new England new Orleans or green bay do those receivers still look as good And is the offense as high powered?
Or how bout if we put Andre Johnson in new England does it make their offense worse because he was a high draft pick?
All I'm saying is wide receiver should not be out of the question IF there is one worth taking because our skill level is not at a point where bpa can ignore the position entirely.
Edit: I am not saying it should be the pick either just that it shouldn't be ruled out due to your offense rankings which are clearly qb predicated and driven by qbs much better than fitz
A best receiver in the league debate is not what this thread was about, and to pin-point one or two or three players as the best at their position is Ok if you are talking about a QB. With receivers, you just cant do it. There are a plethora of players that can be argued for as the BEST reciever in the league, but its a debate that will NEVER have a clear cut winner. I agree that Fitzgerald/C. Johnson/A. Johnson are in the discussion, but from a pure productivity stand point Welker is far and away the more productive reciever.
Now does that mean he is the best? Certainly not, but again he has to be in the discussion. I could name 10-15 other receivers that could be in this conversation as well. Which is why I say that they are a dime a dozen. They can be found from the 2nd round all the way through UDFA status (same with RB's) and hold better value than a reciever that was drafted as a 1st rounder.
The Lions had to miss and miss hard on Charles Rogers (2nd overall/2003), Roy Williams (7th overall/2004) and Mike Williams (10th overall/2005) before they finally struck gold and were handed Calvin Johnson. Even though he was the consensus best player in the 2007 draft the Raiders completely CHOKED and drafted Jamarcus Russell. That is 3 times that the Lions completely whiffed on WR. It is entirely to easy to do, so why take the chance in the 1st round (which is what my posts are referring to).
IMO, it would be a horrible decision to EVER draft a WR in the first round, especially by a team that is so devoid of talent in the defensive front 7.
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my statement was you cherry picked teams with great qbs and you did it again.
Again, what I did was compared the BEST offenses in the league and the WR corp that each team fielded. The QB of the team is immaterial in this argument and I have no idea what point you can possibly make to deter what I have said. Which HIGH POWERED team should I break down for you? What is it that you are reaching for and what point are you trying to make?
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I think you disproved your theory with your facts. Most of the names you listed were high picks. Maybe not first round but 4 second round and 3 third round picks does not show that they are dime a dozen. WR to me is one of the harder positions to project to the pros and is a better reason to steer away from round 1 as you can find good wrs later in the draft (as you pointed out). However think of the top wrs in the game today and where they were drafted. Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, and Calvin Johnson were all top 5 picks. Let alone you cherry picked two teams with amazing qbs. A great qb (Brees, Rodgers) can make middle of the road receivers look better than they are as well as a great wr can make a middling qb (Fitzpatrick) look better.
The Bills should still be in BPA mode no matter the position (save rb) yes even cb, even ot, even wr. They are in no position to pass on superior talent at any position (except again rb).
Cherry picked? Those were the number 1 and number 3 offenses in the league this year. It had nothing to do with cherry picking anything. I in no way disproved my theory. My theory is you dont take a WR in the 1st round, and I more then proved why you dont do that. I can add NE and their receivers if you want more definitive proof? Forget it, here is there WR corp:
Branch - 2nd Rd.
Welker - UDFA
Edelman - 7th Rd.
Ocho - 2nd Rd.
Tight Ends:
Gronk - 2nd Rd.
Hernandez - 4th Rd.
Those are the top 3 offenses in the league and again, of all 3, ONLY 1 WR or TE was taken in the 1st round (Meachem). Not sure where you are going with that?
Personally, I think Floyd to the Bills is a HUGE stretch. Kid's got some character concerns and it isn't likely they take the risk. Wait for the combine and for Mohammed Sanu to tear it up. That's the WR I want and think will be the best WR to come out of this class.
I like Sanu as well, but he can be had in the 2nd or trading back into the first (which I wouldnt do).
Kendall Wright IMO will be the best reciever in this class because of his YAC potential. I like Danny Coale from V-tech as my sleeper WR this year. 4.3 speed catches everything and spectactular in the short zones. Perfect slot guy IMO.
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I'd like to see everyone's draft predictions in a little bit of a different way.
I will list the Bills picks. If you think you know who the Bills will pick in a given round, before the draft, put that in your list. As your opinion changes come back into the thread and edit your original. Don't add additional posts. If you have no opinion in a round, leave it blank. I will start but since it is so early I will have it all blank. Some of you may have opinions already so have at it.
Remember, this is just who you think the Bills will take, not who you think they should take.
Round 1:
Round 2:
Round 3:
Round 4A:
Round 4B:
Round 5A:
Round 6:
Round 7:
I will take a shot at this today seeing as no one else has yet, but it must be taken with a grain of salt because this is of course pre-combine/team workouts/indivdual workouts/team interviews etc. Again, this is who I think the Bills will select in the first 3 rounds, after that, its my personal opinion of what they should do.
Round 1: Quinton Coples - DE (despite Mayocks claim that he shouldnt be picked in the 1st 3 rounds)
Round 2: Dwayne Allen - TE
Round 3: Keenan Robinson - OLB
Round 4: Devier Posey - WR
Round 4: Brian Quick - WR
Round 5: Jayron Hosley - CB
Round 5: Josh kaddu - OLB
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It's hard to justify a WR in the first round IMO, RB as well. These skill positions players beisdes QB, in todays NFL, are vastly overrated, and are a dime a dozen. I would argue with the way that the game is trending that the WR position isnt anymore as effective now then it was 20 years ago. Which significantly lowers the value of the position in the draft and FA. For an example I give you GB's and NO's WR corp and the corresponding draft round they were selected:
Jennings - 2nd Rd.
J. Nelson - 2nd Rd
Driver - 7th Rd.
J. Jones - 3rd Rd.
Cobb - 2nd Rd.
Tight End:
Finley - 3rd Rd.
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NO Saints WR Corp:
Colston - 7th Rd.
Henderson - 2nd Rd.
Meachem - 1st Rd.
Tight End:
Graham - 3rd Rd.
Only 1 WR out of the 2 most explosive offenses in the league was drafted in the 1st round. You dont need a 1st round receiver EVER to field a productive unit.
The only players on the Bills radar in the 1st round should ALL be on the defensive side of the ball.
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Actually he mentioned that two of the lineman have been voted to the pro bowl,one of them more than once. The bills have a combined zero pro bowls between any of the o-lineman. Here's where I'm at. There is an obvious consistency of "line play" (I quote that for a reason) throughout the entire 2011 season. Consistency being the pressure and sacks allowed throughout the season with a rotating group of lineman all year, which was as you say very low amounts. Even the best lines struggle when injuries hit and players have to rotate positions and backups have to start games which also disrupts the unity and rhythm of the line. thus pressure and sacks start to increase which didn't happen enough after the injuries hit to prove to me that the line was as responsible for the low amount of pressure and sacks as the offensive system, game plan, and Fitz release and quick decision making was. As for your link that says Eli manning got rid of the ball faster then Fitz we also have a link on this very thread which is espy supported that Fitz got rid of the ball quicker and all I heard from analysts all season was how quick Fitz got rid of the ball. I trust them over you. Also just so you know IMO if you like Eli manning so much you should become a giants fan don't you think? The way you talk to people on here doesn't sit well with me your rude and negative and you should of stayed at that bills bashed site if that's what you want to do here.
Im not gonna continue my debate on this topic anymore because I have made my arguments and stand behind them.
What I should address is the ending to your post. For that, I must apologize. I dont try to come off as "rude and negative" and I certainly dont want the moniker of "troll" or any other adjective that can be thrown together.
We are all Bills fans first and foremost, and I must admit that 12 solid years of bottom feeding becomes more then tiresome and eats at my overly passionate soul. Please accept my apology, and that is for ANYONE that I have offended.
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Dude QBs that hold on to the ball get pressures and sacks not a guy with the quickest get out like Fitz. That can account for all of his pressures not his line that can't hold up for a long time. Where is your proof of Eli getting rid of the ball the fastest? I have provide a link that Matt Hasselbeck gets rid of it in 2.36 seconds. That same article says that Fitz and the Bills are the fastest. You do the math.
As far as offensive lineman playing together a long time. It's a thing called CHEMISTRY. You know the thing that makes a offensive line a cohesive unit. You can't dismiss that. Again the same coaching and system this creates CONTINUITY. You can't dismiss that. Look at the defense the guy has on the other side of the ball that when healthy can keep the Giants in any game! Look at his WR core compared to our wild cat QB, a RB and cast offs that we have had to start throughout the year. Where are your concrete facts that are not in anyway effected by a multitude of factors? Is the line to blame for a QB that holds on to the ball to long? Again. No factual stats to back up your claims.
Where do I even start with this trainwreck of a post?
You provided a link from NOVEMBER 11th of 2011, that is hardly definitive proof of ANYTHING. Then when I addressed that the article was from NOVEMBER 11th and was nothing more then a QBR assessment (which QBR was developed this year by the likes of Trent Dilfer, excuse me for not taking an ESPN generated ratings system seriously, you should do the same) you had NO argument after that point was made. NO one cares what Hasselbeck or Fitz did in October, neither one of them FINSIHED in the top 10 at ANYTHING, neither of their teams made the playoffs, neither of them were Pro Bowlers, neither of them are sure-fire locks at their position moving forward. Furthermore, QB's like FItz are capable of having stretches of 4-5 games where they play admirably, but when you look at a COMPLETE seasons worth of statistics and the guy is near the bottom in EVERY SIGNIFICANT QB related stat that tells the entire story. Not chapters 1 and 2 which you seem to be fervently clinging to. To think that article holds any credence whatsoever is absolutely laughable.
I can dismiss "chemistry and continuity" rather easily. This isnt 1987 anymore where teams are able to mold and gel into elite units, b/c of FA, and the fact that rookies are more so ready then ever right out of college. Dareus for example and Barnett as well, Shep, had NEVER played a single snap together and still they managed seasons worthy of recognition. I could give you countless other examples of the same being true. Cam Newton/Steve SMith, Andy Dalton/Aj green etc etc etc. ad nauseum.
Again, just waiting on a good point from you.
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Yeah! And the crowd gives the poster a 10! You really pegged D2K there. LOL. Figured I would join in with the strategy of praising a poster while back handing another while not addressing the points.
P.S. Great points although they will fall on deaf ears because as he states he doesn't believe he can learn anything from me and probably you.
AMEN brother. I have said the same that supposed fans should support the few good players we have but people want a target for their frustration and they want a single face to direct it at.
He really "pegged me"? His whole retort was the Giants Oline has starts together. When in fact they had their starting LT this year go on IR early. I dont equate an illogical argument to "pegging" somebody.
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Stating that the NY Giants have the worst O line in the NFL because they allowed 244 pressures this season is kinda lame. Stats don't mean much when you look at both teams closely. There is so much difference between the two different teams (Bills-Giants) The players, the schemes and plays that are called. The Bills mostly utilize a short passing game, and depend on getting the ball out very quickly which can skew the stats into looking better then they really are.
Look at the amount of games played by the Giants O linemen this year and the last few years to understand the concept of "continuity". Look how many game starts their players have had over the last 5 years vs the Buffalo Bills O line to understand the reasoning behind the as to why having solid healthy good players is so important to having a good team.
Lets look at that NY Giants O line.
NY Giants David Diehl is a guard who was kicked out to LT this year because of an injury to the starter and it worked for them because the guy has been on the team since 2003 and basically played almost 16 games every year since he started in 03. (a great player) HE IS A PRO BOWLER (one time) The guy might have been a 5th round pick but he has definitely played like a top draft pick over his career. But then the Giants have a far superior scouting dept, GM and talent evaluation process then the Bills currently have. 140 games played 140 game starts is amazing
RG Chris Snee, a guard and 2nd round pick has been with the team since 2004. another player who has played almost 16 games every year since he was drafted HE IS A PRO BOWLER (three time) 120 games played, 120 games starts is amazing
RT Kareem Mckenzie, an 11 year vet that was drafted in the 3rd round by the jets and joined the Giants in 2005. Look at this players history of starts since joining the Giants, missing only 7 games in 7 years. 161 games 153 starts
C David Baas one year for the Giants and 2nd round pick of the 49ers in 2005, 11 games played 11 games started.
G Kevin Boothe 16 games-9 game starts who took over for starting G William Beatty 10 G-10 GS, a 2nd round pick of the Giants in 2009.
The Giants had some injuries on that O line this season and that may be the reason for the 9-7 season The Giants O line is superior to anything the Bills have fielded since the 1990's. Snee and Diehl are both pro bowlers that are lock downs at their positions
Fitz played on a bad team with a crazy amount on injuries to some key players. O line, WR, TE. The Bills had ONE decent WR ranked 19th , the Giants have 3 top WR's that actually catch everything even thrown remotely close to them. Victor Cruz was the #3 WR in the league with 82 receptions,1536 yards-Hakeem Nicks was the 12th rated WR with 76 receptions, 1192 yards. Now consider the coverage teams will run on those players, is it easier to roll coverages to one WR or to 3?
Talk about continuity, the Giants QB has been in the same system-scheme under the same HC and OC since Eli Manning was drafted as the first overall pick in the 2004 draft.
Comparing the bills to the Giants might have been somewhat valid in week 6 when they played against each other this year, they did play a close game 27-24. But once the injuries hit the Bills there was no comparison. Unlike the Giants who had some decent depth for their O line. The Buffalo Bills had no answer for the center position once Eric Wood went on IR. They tried 4 guys at center including G Andy Levitre and it was a horrid move. So GM Nix was forced to find warm bodies off the street to fill in on that line and for the WR position.
The QB isn't the biggest problem with this team, even the FO and owner acknowledged that fact. The line needs better players who can stay healthy, and some depth. They need a pass rush and a defense like the Giants have. They need better LBers to stop the run. They need some WR's and a TE who can stay health.
P.S. whats kinda funny is that the site you link where you got the stats from considers Ryan Fitzpatrick the 8th best QB in the league in avoiding sacks which is pretty darn good considering the talent around him.
So in your opinion, the Giants Oline is good because they have played more games together? This reasoning is horrible. Stats dont matter? I am not sure what kind of offense you think Kevin Gilbride runs? I guess because I have to reiterate AGAIN, Eli Manning gets the ball out FASTER than ANY other QB in the league. PERIOD!!!! Not FItz, Not anyone else you can think of, ELI. WHY? Because he gets pressured and hit more than ANY other QB in the league. Both their tackles are absolutely bottom of the league starters and are players that age has caught up to and they both are on the way out. Instead of myself reiterating stats that I have already given you, I will instead just post this link:
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/01/super-bowl-focus-clinging-to-the-edge/
Then you go into a long-winded rant about how many starts each player has, which holds absolutley ZERO bareing on how much actual talent that unit has. I am impressed that you said alot without actually saying anything at all. I can just say, read the article, I have already given concrete facts and somehow they are overlooked to prove a point that jsut isnt there to begin with.
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AH ....glad your back. He was actually poking fun at me trying to get me on a Jason Peters rant but you are in full defense mode I see. SOOOOO... why don't you take a look at post #93 and check out this link and then muse on the effectiveness of our awesome offensive line.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/30493/line-of-scrimmage-key-to-qb-play-winning
I have already responded to this assinine point you were trying to make. Dont know where my reply went but I will reiterate.
You posted an article from November 11th by an author that is doing nothing more than projecting stats. Its a pathetic attempt to prove a point that isnt valid in the first place. An article that is written strictly on the premise of QBR (a made up stat generated by ESPN, and is put together by the likes of Trent Dilfer). Come on dude, that isnt gonna fly with me.
I also think its funny that you fail to mention where Fitz FINISHED in QBR. Let me help you...17th.
I have seen you go on some insane rant about "defining a "franchise QB" and some how come up with Fitz matching whatever it is YOUR criteria suggests. You ask everyone to define "franchise QB" yet you have nothing to quantify your definition. What planet do you live on that FItz is a Franchise QB? You actually think that a 59 million dollar contract, which the Bills lined with out-clauses, is a "franchise QB" contract? Come on dude, thats a middle of the road contract, that was nowhere near the dollar amount that he deserved. Kolb and Cassel got the same kind of deals, and neither one of them is the sure-fire starter going into next season.
I am still waiting for you to make a valid point. Regardless, I have about 20 minutes left before I am off for the night, considering its Valentines day and NO MB on the planet is better than love making, hah, I probably shouldnt have went there. If you want to continue this debate i will be back at this tomorrow. 20 minutes, respond quickly.
http://nyjetscap.com/2011_Efficiency/valueprice.php - for your viewing pleasure.
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::Sees most of the debate is between D2K and PDaddy::
"Hey D2K, how do you feel about Jason Peters?"
::Runs from thread!::
Runs from thread? What? I just got off of work and had to commute home, no one is shying away from debate. Pdaddy hasnt made one legit point that I have countered so not sure what you are talking about?
As far as Peters, I would compare Bell to Peters. Both extremely athletic, agile, quick feet, and are capable of being maulers. Mental lapses from time to time, but not enough of a worry to constitute looking to replace. Need I go on?
Still some good talent available .....
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Josh Kaddu - OLB 6'3/239
Keenan Robinson - ILB 6'3/242
Ronnell Lewis - OLB 6'2/253
Nix has to get a LB'er.