ThurmasThoman
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I would like to thank those of you true Buffalo fans who have kept those with ulterior motives at bay.
Good work.
It's amazing to see how civil this board is when the enemy is outflanked and their insults fall on deaf ears, because their attacks are seen for the paper thin maneuverings they are.
This is what threads re: the Patriots cheating would look like, if the agents of the league's PR firm could be identified and banned.Unfortunately, that day is not likely to come, so for the time being, you as true Bills fans will continue to pull your hair out, and stare at the monitor in amazement while you ask yourself "why am I getting resistance when arguing that the NFL should punish Tom Brady for cheating, when he plays for a division rival, and I'm on a Buffalo Bills message board?"
The answer to that question is the same answer as to why the name calling was attempted for the first handful of responses, and then immediately vacated when the league's social media department realized this thread was a lost cause.
It will be interesting to see where it goes from here.
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This is why, though I don't really care too much about the Bills anymore, I still come here. This thread is going to be a classic.
Of course it will be classic.
All one has to do is sit on a park bench for 20 minutes and observe the people that walk by them.
The masses, are generally, for lack of a better term, dumb as a box of rocks.
If you could watch that game today, and think for even a minute, that it was fairly called and an equitable contest, than you would probably respond to a thread like this by
a) calling me a woman (check)
b) name calling in some other derogatory fashion (check)
c) or becoming frightened and think that i was going to hurt you? (check?)
d) dismiss it (check check check)
To any of you that have the ability to think critically, logically, and impartially, I ask you: why would the majority (or ANY) responses on a supposed "Buffalo Bills message board" defend the point of view that today was a fairly called game?
Did it feel that way at the stadium? (no)
Did it feel that way when you were watching at home? (no)
Do the posters who have taken longer than a single, dismissive sentence to address the topic at hand feel that way? (no)
And why, pray tell, does the NFL deserve the benefit of the doubt?
Are the league champions cheaters? (yes)
Have they been busted, not by the league, but by their fellow competitors, for cheating on more than one occassion? (yes)
Is the only team that has been able to "beat" them in the championship round, or in the division, from the New York metropolitan area? (yes)
Have cheating scandals occurred in the 21st century to other professional sports leagues in America? (yes)
But please, form the queue to keep the names coming.
I'm a big boy, I can handle it, I promise.
I nominate this thread for the TBD wall of Fame. Just excellant drunken ranting!!!!
And this.
I have not had a sip of alcohol in years my friend.
It numbs the soul, poisons the body, calcifies the pineal gland, ruins lives, and destroys families.
Keep those accusations with the insinuations that I own weapons of violence.
I don't do drugs, either, so I'll stop you right there.
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Welcome the the WWE... At least the outcome is easy to predict.
Several bad critical calls today and this has been consistent though the years.
I'm pissed and so should you.
Imo
As an aside, it does not surprise me that someone enlightened enough to have legendary Sumerian figures in their profile picture would be able to see through the thin veil of "sport" that the NFL hides behind to see the twisted nature of American greed at work.
We are in a tough position, are we not brother? How does one justify their love for something so trivial (Buffalo Bills football), when it's enveloped in so many layers of darkness?
These people here either have their third eyes welded shut, or are in paid positions to keep the lips of the masses latched on firmly to the teat of the NFL consumption piggy.
F*ck em all, threads like this are meant to draw the poison from the wound, and perhaps, just maybe, if we're lucky, get one person to question one aspect of their day to day life. For the rest, I assure you: your existence is meaningless and your souls journey will end in darkness.
Hope you don't own guns.....sheesh.
Why would I own a gun?
And why would I hurt anyone?
You're jumping at the wrong shadows, friend.
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Welcome the the WWE... At least the outcome is easy to predict.
Several bad critical calls today and this has been consistent though the years.
I'm pissed and so should you.
Imo
Thank you.
The name calling has begun in earnest here, very quickly.
Which is to be expected, of course.
Sacramento Kings fans were labeled crazy too, in 2000.
The only difference is, NFL refs are part time employees and work for a much wealthier league.
"bu bu bu bu, that was basketball, scenarios like that could NEVER happen in the NFL!!!"
And please, staffers, come with something other than smiley faces and name calling.
Refute any of my points.
Surely it should be easy to shoot down a premise so far fetched, no?
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That game was rigged, and to any of you on here right now, you are talking football with NFL staffers that work to spin this stuff to make it look like this product is on the up and up, and more importantly, to keep you spending your money.
"But that's crazy, that's not how multi multi billion dollar companies work. They would never use an anonymous venue such as an internet message board to argue a contrarian position to what my eyes saw, in order to seem like a partial, unbiased observer, so that I can maintain some semblance of consumer confidence, and return to the product in the coming weeks/months/years. And if they did, they would clearly announce themselves as such, and identify as a league employee on this site. And besides, there is just no way that a company as big as the NFL would spend money on a social media department, what a waste of time that would be."
Right.
On planet earth, Tyrod Taylor's scramble was called back for holding--which didn't happen.
And Tyrods TD pass was called back for a chop block--which didn't happen.
The Bills scored as many points as the Giants today, and lost the game.
This is irrefutable.
Any person who would sign up for a membership on this board should be presumed to be a Bills fan.
Any Bills fan that would argue against those two events listed above, is clearly not a fan, and should be assumed to have ulterior motives.
If you can't parse out the fact that the league just awarded a victory to the team from "Manhattan" (new jersey) over the team with the guy who bullys the gays and the coach with the loud mouth who's always one budweiser away from calling out the Patriots for cheating and inviting a full on congressional investigation, well, you're probably here to spin a message anyways.
Point blank: this sport is complete and utter garbage. The Super Bowl "champions" have been busted for cheating so many times that the US FREAKING SENATE wanted to open an investigation but was stone walled. And now today.
Come, argue this point.
Or better yet, close and lock this.
F*ck the NFL.
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the nfl sucks, not the bills
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Nice rant, but keep what moving?
One of the reasons the Bills have finally assembled the kind of talent that parity promises teams after several years of losing is learning from observed mistakes.
I am a Sammy fan, he was my top rated player in the 2014 draft but the injuries, particularly the soft tissue ones that have nagged him for the past 3 months, gotta be resolved.
Haha, it truly wasn't meant to be a rant, I just am a bit jaded to the amount of pure emotion that is invested in "Sammy Watkins"--the fanbase has to look at him as if he is bigger than a football player, as if he is somehow a referendum on the entire philosophy of the Buffalo Bills organization.
Decisions are not made in a vacuum. The same football people who built the team that each of us (this season) enjoys watching so much, and truly feel can contend for greatness, are the same people that made the deal to draft Sammy Watkins. He is an inseparable piece of the 2015 Buffalo Bills roster, injured or not. I know it is ridiculous to complain about people complaining about football players on a website dedicated to sharing your emotions with strangers about strangers playing a game, but the amount of energy that has been expelled by Buffalo fans in analyzing the Sammy pick is overwhelming at times.
He seems like a nice young man, he's a joy to watch on the football field, he won us some games (DET/MIN/others I'm probably forgetting) last year with amazing plays, and even if ODB has better "stats" the Bills are winning at a much better clip than the Gmen since Whaley took over and started aggressively shaping the roster. Dealing for Watkins was part of that aggressive strategy, and quite frankly, I don't know enough about football play calling to know the degree of impact a player as talented as Sammy can have when he's not the #1 option on a play. Based on the success of the Bills since Watkins arrived, however, I would guess it's not negligible. Also, based on the lack of games he has missed due to injury, as opposed to say, Kiko (drafted a year earlier/has a cult like following in Buf despite no longer playing here) I don't think it's fair to complain about the guy's injuries.
He's a small receiver with a big heart and great hands, and he wins games for the Bills.
Not every team is willing to cheat like the Patriots and make football look as easy as winning 52-7 every week and going 19-0. Some (31) teams have to play by the rules, and sometimes when you play by the rules, you win some and you lose some. The Bills win more with Sammy, and he's fun to watch.
I'm glad Whaley drafted him, and I'm glad Whaley is our GM.
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It's just a game.
When he's healthy, he appears to be Buffalo's best player by a mile.
He can catch anything thrown his way, played his ass off last year and was a major part of the Bills best record in a decade, and has played well so far this year.
He has an injury, it's football, people get injured.
I can't wait for him to come back, he's fun to watch, and easy to root for.
Who cares what we gave up to get him.
Instead of worrying about, put your energy towards building a time machine to go back and reverse the deal.
Can't do that, you say?Great, STFU and keep it moving.
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I fall into this trap every year too.
Lol.
There is nothing inherently wrong or right with this thread.
Just know that the universe continues its march ever onwards, regardless of which teams youre "supposed" to root for in week 4 of the NFL season.
The teams that will win, will win, regardless of your rooting interest.If you enjoy watching football, AND enjoy watching games that dont involve the Bills, AND need a "rooting interest" in those games, I would recommend putting 30$ on drafkings or fanduel, and giving yourself something tangible to care about in the other NFL matches.
Stressing out about Bills games is hard enough, and taxing enough on my liver.
If, at the end of the season, the Bills have won enough games to qualify for the postseason tournament, they will be there.
Concerning yourself with the plight of Kansas City Missouri's club in October (for me, at least) adds relatively little value to the appeal of the NFL as a whole!
But its still a good thread OP, and surely with 538 puts out their calculator that shows how Bufs odds improve if team a or team b loses, ill be in here to post the link, as it is LIGHTYEARS ahead of E!Spins playoff machine.
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colts titans game is great!
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You're overthinking it. They're just really !@#$ing good.
whos really good?
which players?
the hacks from other teams that are always in the right place at the right time in new england?
or the assistant coaches that do diddly where ever else they go but have 15-1 unstoppable offenses that put up 50 a game in new england?
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Also funny that josh mcdaniels likes to use photographs to look at defensive formations with brady on the sideline.
the same josh mcdaniels that was fired from denver for cheating, then brought back to new england.
its like hes paranoid of technology on the sideline. what would cause such mistrust?
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The patriots haven't looked this good since the last time they were punished for cheating.
It's ALMOST as if Bill Beliceck displays a certain degree of sociopathic tendencies, such as thinking the rules don't apply to him, and when caught, he doubles down to go 19-0 and throws caution to the wind.
The Patriots, 43-0 in their last 43 conference games at home that Brady plays a full game, were in the backfield to blow up that Jaguars fake punt before it even occurred. It's almost like they know the plays the Jags are going to run before they run them.
Weird.
Maybe the third time theyre punished for cheating, people will believe they are cheating.
They are ruining this sport.
ERRRRRRRR i mean, the 40 year old, 6th round quarterback and reject cleveland coach are the 2 greatest human beings to ever engage in athletic competition, and I'm just jealous, and everyone else is jealous, hence the cheating CONSPIRACIES against them, because haters gonna hate.
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Didn't look that bad. But he was carted off. Vick time in Pitts.
looked almost identical to bradys injury, followed by him dropping a live football and rolling around on the turf grabbing his knee, then being carted to the locker room.
aside from his leg falling off, i fail to see how it could have looked much worse.
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How did Jets get 8?
OK mistake by Fox
Sucks for then but Bills need to win and take advantage of a weak AFC
just got carted back to the locker room
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i think big ben just tore his acl
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As the computing power available to humanity grows exponentially, the NFL is faced with an existential crises: keep a finger in the dike and try to prevent "cheating"? Or embrace the analogous relationship to war that is so often used when discussing professional football, and allow teams to win "by any means necessary".
On the one hand, the league can continue to try the whack-a-mole legal strategy that will continuously be employed in the coming years, as teams utilize strategies such as: hacking into opposing teams servers; drone-based-espionage; overriding radio signals on sidelines; infinitesimally small cameras in visiting locker rooms; etc.
Or, the league can condone all of this, under the guise of "all is fair in love and war".
In the first scenario, the league risks class action lawsuits from gamblers--or worse actions still from casinos and senators.
On the other, the league creates an even more compelling product--one that allows it to retroactively brand its (as of now) "cheating" organization as the team that had the foresight to move the league forward into a new strategic game, where coaches and team employees were responsible for playing "defense" in their communications and game day preparations to the same degree that they game plan to attack their opponents.
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Honestly, this just sums up how I feel as well. But it's one of those things that will likely never be proven. Someone seriously involved with whatever the Pats do would have to turn on them fully. But there's just a feeling with the Patriots--there's just something going on with them. Whatever they're doing they've likely justified to themselves as 'gamesmanship' or whatnot, but I truly believe they're cheating.
I mean, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
They've been busted for cheating.
They had to give back draft picks and pay an enormous fine.
Then the same thing happened again.
ESPN.com writes exposes on their cheating.
There is even more to come, per ESPN, on their cheating.
Football is losing it's appeal because either one of 2 things is happening:
In scenario 1, a reject coach from Cleveland, by way of the Jets, turned into a football genius in New England, and with the help of a plucky 6th round draft pick at QB, established the greatest legacy in the history of the game. Other teams got "jealous" of their success, and concocted a Kennedy/Moon Landing.9-11 type conspiracy to at once discredit their league, their leagues premier franchise, and the game itself, all in an attempt to level the playing field, because said qb and said coach are SO UNBEATABLE ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD BECAUSE OF THEIR OTHERWORLDLY SKILLS that the only way to stop them is to come together like voltron and chip away at their legacy with baseless allegations of cheating. Also, their place as statistical outliers in stats like "fewest fumbles by 2 standard deviations since petitioning the league to be in control of footballs in both home and away games and then being punished for deflating footballs illegally" are merely coincidences that can be chalked up to "bad math".
In scenario 2, a reject coach from Cleveland, by way of the Jets, realized that there is no top-down organizational control in the NFL, so anything goes, and he compiled dossiers on every team in a manner that would make the NSA blush, and when that turned into immediate success with no repurcussions, he was emboldened, and analyzed his program from every angle, and cut corners whenever possible to give his team the advantage at every turn--whether legal or not. Everyone is aware that this is happening, but can't pinpoint the exact details, so they go to great lengths to protect themselves, their careers, and their reputations, by taking precautions when playing the Patriots that they take with no other team.
The fact that this happens isn't what is ruining my love of football--having a bad guy is kind of cool.
It's the fact that so many people have their third eye sealed so tightly shut that they literally need to have Bill Beliceck come to their house, f*ck their mother, impregnate her, and then name his illegitimate child "I Bill Beliceck am naming my son Cheater, as a covenant with God that I cheated in professional football, and my titles should be vacated."
Even then, Mr WEO would be rubbing his moms back, telling her that Beliceck has innovated the way dads are going to name babies in the future.
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Also, is it possible to hack those tablet computers teams keep their playbooks on now? If North Korea can hack Sony, why can't teams hack just one tablet computer.
Careful, I said that in my OP, and now I'm CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY.
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"Not to steal Bill from NYC's thunder, but my thoughts on the game?"
Don't worry, you didn't.
Ha, in title alone.
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Few bring the crazy with such ooomph as...Johnny(PURE)Gold!
Man I can respect that you're a mod here, or whatever, but what, exactly, do you find crazy about my post?
Pop in a VHS tape from even 10 years ago and watch a Bills game--the sport is called completely different than it ever has been, and is in no way better.
I didn't say the original post was right - just that there was a point in there somewhere, it was just hidden under a lot of not such good or accurate observations.
Nobody has said anything to refute anything. Just patting each other on the backs for making good points.
Did the Patriots not lose 2 fumbles today? Please check when the last time that happened was, and come back to me.
Did the Patriots not get punished for cheating this summer?
Were there not 25+ penalties today?
Were 2 4pm games decided by ticky tack penalties in the final minute?
Have big hits not been legislated out of the game while a blood sport continues to soar in popularity?
I can do what you do too, "Mr WEO is crazy, don't respond to his posts, he's CRAAAAAAAAAAAZY."
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I'm so relieved for Aaron and his family.
Even though that was a bad loss, I'm sure his mother is over the moon right now that her baby boy is ok.
That brings a smile to my face.Go Bills.
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The Bills lost what should have been a devastating divisional game today, but Roger Goodell has run this sport so far into the ground, that honestly, it doesn't even move the needle for me.
Not to steal Bill from NYC's thunder, but my thoughts on the game?
We lost to the defending Super Bowl champions, but they've been punished for cheating so many times that I don't even know what it means to "lose" to them. Or I should say, they've been found guilty of cheating so many times--but we're all still waiting on the punishment.
We scored 32 points (should have been enough to win), and our world class defense could do nothing against them. I mean, absolutely nothing. It's almost like they knew what we were going to do on defense all day, as if they had hacked our computers, or listened in on our radio signals. I have no idea. They did lose 2 fumbles though, so obviously they can't deflate balls anymore. The last time the Patriots were punished for cheating, they doubled down and went 16-0, and only lost 1 game: the only game they played on a neutral field all year. It looks like it's happening again. It's either the most poorly written WWF script in history, or the most blatant cheating in history. Either way, the disconnect between what my eyes are seeing and what my brain knows is so large that it makes the act of watching the game unbearable.
Speaking of unbearable: holy penalties. Were they undeserved? I have no idea, CBS showed 0 replays. I know Sammy got flagged for a New England corner falling down, and Rex took a 15 yarder for saying the F word? Or something along those lines? I lost track once the total amount of penalties got over 20. Ticky tack calls all day in a violent sport.
Speaking of violent: Roger Goodell is such an incompetent manager of this league, that now no one, from announcers to fans to players, know how to react to "big" hits. Throw a flag for a late hit on Taylor, then pick it up. Players taken out of the game for "concussion protocols". Answer me this: how can the fastest growing sport in the country, UFC, not have to answer to ANY of these health concerns, yet ROGER is forced to legislate big hits out of his game, when his players get to wear full body armor? I'll tell you how--because there is absolutely nothing (zip, zero, nadda) going on in the way of foresight between that man's ears.
I watched the end of 2 of the 4pm games: MIA/JAX and BAL/OAK. In the span of 5 minutes, Jax was awarded 15 yards of field position because a Dolphins player pushed a Jags player after the whistle, and the Jags player flopped. Move the Jags inside the 20, and game over. Over to Oakland, where Carr threw a duck into the middle of the field which was rightly picked off, and boom, theres the yellow flag: defensive holding.
It's going to take the next commissioner YEARS to undo what this mental midget has done to the league.
I wish there were MORE injuries like Romo's today, and I love that guy, he's one of my favorite players in the league. Start going for these QB's knees, I'm so sick of that Hollywood position getting all the attention. This is a game that I love, it's the most tactical, thrilling sport in the world to watch, and Goodell seems to think that the messyness of it needs to be legislated out.
There are just so many things wrong with the league, and the way its run, that I don't even care that the Bills lost today. The league is so watered down with parity that basically the entire conference is 1-1.
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Not gonna happen. No one else but Brady can dissect a defense and get the ball out that quickly and accurate. Unfortunately the best coach in the league has the best QB as well. Same story, different year.
Pats look unstoppable on offense.
19-0 seems in play.
Attn Bills FANS: Log off for the night
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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From the bottom of my heart, to those of you in this thread, thank you for restoring my faith in this message board, and allowing me to take some positive energy away from this sham of a "game" that was played today.
You have restored some sense of balance to my evening, and I'm off to watch a movie with my family.
Keep moving forward, and continue to take joy from what the Bills can provide to you, but I would caution that you keep your mind and you heart separate when watching a corporation as enormous as the NFL play "games" on Sundays.
With something as random as athletic competition, not everything is a conspiracy, and these are still real young men playing a game with many obscure rules and a ball that is designed to bounce in a million random ways, on any given Sunday. That, and the strategy of two teams meeting will always be pure, and plays out beautifully on Friday nights and Saturday afternoons across high school and collegiate fields from Portland Oregon to Portland Maine.
The NFL will continue to entertain us all, and as surely as the sun will rise on Sunday, I will be watching the Bills play the Titans next week.
Try to keep your slandering of Buffalo's coaching staff to a minimum this week, please. And let's not ruin Doug Whaley's life either. These are the men that have to make a living in a world where sometimes the deck is stacked against them while the clock still reads 15:00 in quarter 1.
Peace, love, and God bless.