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Just now, thebandit27 said:
No offense, but everything you've said here is flat-out incorrect.
He's extremely likely to be a top-10 pick. He's at or near the top of most analysts' draft boards, and that includes guys that have actually worked in NFL front offices (and been offered GM jobs) like Daniel Jeremiah. He's not slow in any respect whatsoever. He makes better tight-window throws than anyone else in the class; "inaccurate" has always been a mischaracterization. He needs to learn to adjust is touch on short boundary throws and to further refine his footwork.
As for the "nobody with his stats" stuff, that's been debunked on this board many, many times.
Of course he will probably be a top-10 pick. He doesn't deserve that but some idiot team will pick him there.
Inaccurate is not a mischaracterization at all. He is inaccurate, period. He is also mentally slow. This is a documented fact.
I seriously doubt that anyone on this board could debunk anything. Everything you've said is laughably wrong.
1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:Again, you're wrong.
This is also wrong.
Dunning Kruger.
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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
? QB#1 in Ledyard’s Board is Rosen at #4
As I said, Ledyard is low on Mayfield, who is the QB1 according to most informed analysts.
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Just now, YoloinOhio said:
Really? I’ve seen the exact opposite.
Allen is the laughingstock of the Draft Analyst community. Sorry if that hasn't permeated this forum as much as the know-nothing ESPN pundits etc.
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1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:
13 isn’t low for Mayfield, that’s pretty high. This isn’t a mock draft.
13 is low for QB1.
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Just now, thebandit27 said:
Very, very few people think Allen sucks.
There is a faction of folks that don't think he's got the skill set to be an NFL QB.
Most folks see the raw ability, but vary in opinion regarding how much honing of his skill set it'll take to make him successful, and what type of offense he can operate efficiently.
Very few people think he'll be any good. He's inaccurate and slow. Almost nobody with his stats & pedigree has ever been successful in the NFL.
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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:
Compared to some other big boards, He’s high on Rosen and Mayfield, low on Darnold and Allen. Also high on Hurst and Sony Michel and low on Vita Vea and Tremaine Edmonds.
Four RBs with 1st rd grades, plus he said nick Chubb wasn’t far off ... makes the Browns it Giants giving up a haul of high picks from the Bills vs drafting Barkley at 2 or 4 a joke.
13th is pretty low for Mayfield.
And he's only low on Allen compared to moron pundits like Kiper. Most people think Allen sucks.
Guice over Barkley is pretty bold. Jones in the 1st round is just unconscionable, though.
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5 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:
Because, that means the Giants get Darnold, the Jets get Rosen and Denver gets Mayfield. That leaves us with Lamar "Tyrod Taylor 2.0" Jackson and Mason Rudolph.
Oh, you're one of those people who thinks that Lamar is comparable to Tyrod. I see.
But anyway, that sequence of events is far from forced. Any of those teams could deviate, and Cleveland could trade #4 as well. As a matter of fact, Cleveland taking Allen would do nothing but help the odds that a good QB is left for us.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:
If Peter King's "report" is accurate, and the Browns do end up taking Allen #1, leaving Darnold at 2 for the Giants, should Beane and McDermott give up, trade down for a 2019 1st and tank for Justin Herbert/Drew Lock/Jacob Eason/Shea Patterson?
Why would we care if Cleveland takes a UDFA-level guy 1st overall?
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1 hour ago, BuffaloBud420 said:
Johnny Manzeil 2.0
1 hour ago, BuffaloBud420 said:How? I heard the same thing when Manzeil was about to get drafted. That he was the best. Him and Baker play the same style of football and have the same attitude problems.
False.
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14 minutes ago, BuffaloBud420 said:
We been done that road, a main reason for no success since Kelly. No more undersized or running QBs, that can't stand in the pocket and deliver the ball. Fitz, Taylor, Manuel, Losman, etc. We had the best passing stats with Bledsoe. A traditional QB.
I will be happy with Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Rudolph.
Mayfield is by far the best QB in the class.
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3 hours ago, cba fan said:
Darnold Rosen Mayfield Allen
Based on what?
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You can't !@#$ around with QB. If you are willing to take him at 22 you have to take him at 12. That's just how the league and the draft work now.
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I'd say we got relatively unlucky with the Darby trade so far. As far as the range of possible outcomes go, the Eagles pick being #96 and Matthews being immediately & constantly injured were fairly unlikely. On paper this is a bit of an L, but not a big one. This is Darby's 4th year, so he's on the verge of leaving and and/or being paid significant money. Shipping out players from the old regime that they didn't intend to pay has been their chief operating principle.
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6 minutes ago, the skycap said:
Didn't Lamar Jackson say that the first team he met at combine was the Bills?? I wonder why Beane didn't mention him?
Because he's not on the Bills' board and they hate him. OR because he's #1 on the Bills' board and they don't want to give that impression. OR because he knows other teams are parsing his every word because they think he might speak 100% truthfully to the media for some reason even when he has no incentive to do so, and he knows that if he doesn't mention Jackson, another team will interpret that to mean he loves Jackson, and may therefore try to trade ahead of Buffalo to get him, but little do they know that this is all a ploy to get someone to waste a pick on Jackson, because they have no intention to draft him anyway!
So yeah, back to reality. Read nothing into his comments.
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16 hours ago, thebandit27 said:
No.
He lead the team in receiving TDs and had the highest YPC of any of their WRs; that does not relegate him to their 4th most important RB/WR just because you think it does.
He drew the opponent's coverage focus all season--he gets less cushion than all but 4 other WRs in the NFL; the WR that caught the most passes gets the most cushion--that's not a coincidence (especially not when the team has a QB with an average intended air yards figure that ranks 22nd in the NFL--behind the likes of Tyrod Taylor and Trevor Siemien). It's also worth noting that Goff is a pretty timid QB in terms of throwing into coverage; NextGenStats indicates that he ranks 37th out of 41 qualifying QBs in % of passing attempts thrown into tight coverage (so defined as having a defender within 1 yard of the target at the time of the attempt).
Watkins was both the team's best deep threat and the team's best red zone receiver. You seem to believe that big plays and TDs are of less value to them than chain-movers, which is fine, but definitely debatable.
Also, no, both players are not free agents. Right now, both players are property of their respective teams until March 14th (absent a new deal). All we know at the moment is that one team has signed a guy (V. Davis) that appears to be one of their replacements. What we've been told, however, is that the other team will try to keep the other player.
Dead wrong. You can always cherry pick a few stats that Watkins led his team in. He was not a significant player on their team this year. I'm not saying he played bad, but he was not some critical cog that unlocked everything else in the offense, as you seem to believe. That doesn't change just because you think it does. I didn't go into the season believing that Woods and Kupp would be more important. But rational people take into account new information. The past season speaks for itself.
You are having a great deal of difficulty isolating the trade from irrelevant tangential issues. The trade was 1 guaranteed year of Watkins for 1 guaranteed year of Gaines + a 2nd round pick. Both players are about to become free agents, so their value to their teams is close to zero atm. The most valuable piece of the deal on either side, today, is the 2nd round pick, by far. It's that simple.
Anyway, signing Gaines just to try to win the trade more (in some fans minds) is a sunk cost fallacy. Finding a better option than re-signing our own player does not decrease the grade of the trade in any way. And even if Watkins signs with the Rams as a FA, that doesn't affect the trade either. It's outside the scope of the trade, and it's not even necessarily a great thing for the Rams depending on what the contract is and on what they actually get out of Watkins going forward. Even if somehow Watkins signs with the Bills, that doesn't affect the grade of the trade either, for the exact same reasons. Outside the scope. Not necessarily great for the team. Totally unrelated to the events that came before it.
As a matter of fact, there's basically nothing that can happen henceforth that affects the grade of the trade. The Watkins and Gaines free agencies are up to the contracts that the entire league can offer, and are ultimately their own decision. The 2nd round pick is a matter of proper scouting and coaching development. So the trade is a wrap and we're holding the only asset that has any value. Easy evaluation.
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2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:
McDermott seems to like veteran players. I thought the Bills would try and get younger this year but so far they signed 2 30 year old vets. So looks like getting younger won't happen.
I don't suppose you realize that real free agency hasn't even started yet, or that neither of these signings preclude them from signing or drafting other players, or that the draft is really the only way to add significant youth to the team...
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31 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
I don't think it's likely that Watkins is gone from LA; it's possible though.
It's also not likely that Gaines gets a bigger deal than Watkins. Gaines has been a starter for less than 2 full seasons, and has missed far more time than Watkins.
I also can't understand how a guy that started 16 games, played WR1 snaps, and lead the team in receiving TDs is less of a factor than a guy that missed 5 full games and parts of 3 others (totaling less than 60% of his teams defensive snaps).
Like I said: it's hardly clear that either team won the trade, but it's certainly debatable on both sides.
I explained this all before. You can pick and choose a few stats that paint Watkins in a positive light, but the bottom line is that he was a disappointment for LA this year. He was their 3rd most important WR and 4th most important RB/WR.
But whether or not Gaines was better for us than Watkins was for them is really a moot point today. We both made the playoffs, both players are now free agents, and we pocketed a 2nd round pick. Easy win for us.
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5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-bears/report-alshon-jeffery-agrees-one-year-deal-eagles
Not almost as valuable; more valuable.
Played WR1 snaps for them, and lead the team in yards per catch, yards per target, and TDs. Contrast that with Gaines, whose team made the playoffs despite him not playing over 40% of the time. Also, one guy's team is trying to re-sign him, while the other guy's team actively went and found his replacement the first time they had a chance. One guy's team finished with the worst position group in the NFL after trading him, while the other guy's position group for his former team hummed along just fine without him.
I'd like for someone like yourself--who I believe is measured and intelligent with your comments--to give me some kind of fact-based argument as to why Gaines + 2nd is more valuable. I'm willing to listen.
For a player like Watkins you're always going to be able to pick out a few stats in which he led his team. But the reality on the field was that on most Sundays, he was the 3rd most important Rams WR. 4th if you count Gurley. I was under the impression that it was common knowledge that Watkins was largely viewed as a disappointment this year. He did an alright job as a glorified Marquise Goodwin for the Rams, but compared to expectations that's just not what he's supposed to be. He's supposed to be on the level with Brown and Beckham.
Gaines was an excellent CB for us last year. Missed games aside, there's no doubt he contributed massively to our making the playoffs. Now both Gaines and Watkins are free agents, and everything that happens going forward is really outside the scope of the trade. If the 2nd round pick booms or busts, that's a matter of proper usage of draft resources, not relevant to the grade of the trade. New contracts for Gaines and Watkins are a matter of proper usage of cap resources.
In the end, both we and the Rams made the playoffs, both of the players involved are free agents, and we pocketed a very valuable draft pick. It's possible that the trade was mutually beneficial, but at the very least it's clear that it was beneficial to us.
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No rational GM these days would significantly move up in the 1st round for a non-QB.
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41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Once again, they need to add like 3 RBs. Unless you want to use 3 draft picks, they need to sign some guys in FA.
Signing a RB doesn’t preclude signing an OL
Agree. He's not great but he would be dirt cheap and wouldn't count against comp picks. Signing him would in no way preclude us from addressing other positions or from addressing RB again later. Don't really see any downside tbh.
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On 2/16/2018 at 1:07 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:
I will be shocked if Cleveland trades down. The last thing they want is more picks in money ball fashion with Dorsey and company now in charge.
I dislike that trading down has become synonomous with "moneyball."
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14 hours ago, Bring it said:
Imo we won’t need to move up to draft Mayfield!
Not a chance he makes it to 21. He's in the mix for #1.
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18 hours ago, Spiderweb said:
OMG... Avoid this possibility at all costs. After watching him the past two years ( I live in the Louisville area) we would be making yet another big mistake. He'll bring some running ability but he's slower than Taylor. Has a published college time of 4.78. He's not like Taylor in one area though, he has no problem turning the ball over. Tebow / Andre Ware II.
I've seen comparisons that I don't think quite fit such as Vick and Cunningham. But your comparisons are just laughable and insulting.
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Jon Ledyard/NDT Scouting: 19 first round grades, with 2 of the top 4 QBs left out
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Let's just review how we got here. This board has apparently been permeated with poor draft "analysis" from moronic pundits, the result being that people such as yourself believe in laughable things such as that Allen is any good. You also believe yourself to be a member of some majority or consensus. All hilariously wrong. The vast majority of rational analysts looking at the draft class through an objective lens and using empirical data think that Mayfield is top-3 if not #1, and Allen will bust.
Obviously mentally slow = on-field processing speed. You can't explain that away with whatever word salad you just tried to use. I can't believe you even uttered the word wonderlic, a test everyone knows is non-predictive of NFL success and people only ever bring up when their guy does well on it. No offense but you come across as a very pompous individual who is ignorant of his own ignorance.