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Thanks Thoner as I said before being in Atlanta. Your take on the workout is great.
I have one question Coleman, how is he looking? I am an Auburn grad and my daughter knows the guy.
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I think Chad Jackson, based on the write-up on Bills.com
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I have been wondering who would start at OLB.
Maybin - Only On passing downs is what I have been hearing
Kelsey has hardly ever covered anybody and when he did he was trailing.
Schobel has hardly been asked to cover anyone and his INT's are mostly batting balls at line or smelling out screens.
So he was going to be a one or two down player? For 8 Million, we arleardy have one of those in Maybin.
Sohobel was a 9 year 4-3 DE and made no attempt at showing up or showed no desire to change.
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By the looks in the second photo. At least they had thier play books with them. (see table)
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Thanks, These reports mean alot to us here in Atlanta.
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Could you spell out your main point here?
I have no idea what you want us to respond to. I'm not sure if that makes me an idiot (it may), but if you'd be so kind, humor me. What are you trying to say?
What I was trying to point out here is that, we always hear "we are this close", if "we could get one more set of downs".
OR the experts say Chan is great at gaming plan to his talent.
If you take those two points:
1) The existing stats from last year with no improvement, we only need one to two more series a game.
2) If we improve the TE play and get the RB in the passing game down field more (10+ yards), we could see great improvement. I think Chan was looking in that same direction with CJ and Matthews and OTAS running more crossing and seem route with TE.
Sorry
Some time I think/reading more then I am actually writing.
Hope that helps (I know why didn't you just say that in the first place.)
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It bothers me when people on here say T.O. took plays off and didn't try here. If you're watching T.V. you see T.O. on only small percentage of the plays, since the cameras can't show all 11 players complete their full routes.
I filmed for a college team last year, and if I learned on thing it was that coaches are so damn busy watching the how the play unfolds they don't have time to breath let alone individually evaluate players. That is why they spend until 10pm every night of the season going back over tape of previous games and grading how each player executed each play.
If you have access to those tapes I'll listen to you. Other than that, you can't tell me you get a true indicator of a guys performance when you see him 1 out of every 4 plays on your glorious 50-inch plasma, and please don't tell me you can see it in the stadium surrounded by 50000 drunk 20 year olds screaming better than a coach in a silent booth with binoculars.
Another thing, during the Colts game last year, I loved to see T.O. play around in the snow, and get up on the Bills bench, stand towards the crowd and get them into it when the team was on defense. I don't know how many people know this, but after the game, T.O and George Wilson both made complete laps around the stadium shaking hands of the fans that were left, they both bypassed the tunnel to get out of the cold and made sure to get every fan that was left in the stadium.
T.O then went and took that huge Bills flag they wave around after scores and ran around the field with it, eventually running it off with it into the tunnel and into Bills history. There were only a few dozen fans left in the seats by this time. With the way the players of both teams and the fans wanted out of their and into someplace warm, I thought that was a pretty cool thing for him to do.
Is he slowing down? Probably. Is he too expensive? Probably was. Would he have been a 1000 yard receiver in a semi-decent offense? Probably. Everyone on this team was depressed and listless last year. Do we need to resign him? *shrug* Who knows. We just need more players like him who feed off of the competition and hate losing.
Nicely said!!!
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I looked at www.ProFootballFocus.com and looked at last years production compared to top 15 teams.
The top teams got about 1000 to 1030+ play off last year.
Fred J averaged 4.5 per carry
Lynnch 3.8
Evans 13.9 per catch
Trent 60.1% with 6.3 yards per catch (tops of the main three)
If you assume the following to keep players happy:
RB 1 230 carrys x 4.5 = 1035 yds
RB 2 165 carrys x 3.8 = 627 yds
RB 3 125 carrys x 4.2 = 525 yds
WR 1 75 catches x 13.9 = 1043 yds
WR 2 55 catches x 14.0 = 770 yds
WR 3 45 catches x 10.8 = 486 yds
TE 50 catches x 10.0 = 500 yds
RB's 65 catches x 12.0 = 780 yds
Misc. 10 plays x 8.0 = 80 yds
Total plays needed on offense to get above numbers is 1020.
breaksdown like this:
Rushing 520
Passing 500
To achieve this QB needs 500 attempts 300 completions for 60% for 3579 for 7.2 yds per catch. (can Chan get this out any of our QB's)
Last year we had 979 snaps (926 plus ATL w/ 53) the QB's had 439 attempts (so cut down on sack and penalties and junk plays) Bills site has 911 plays, not sure what makes the difference?
So we need 41 or 109 more offensive plays (3 or 7 more per game).
More production from the QB with just a yard more per catch avg, TE yards per catch up and RB yards per catch up.
I can now see why Buddy and Chan say we are not that far off. Chan has been working on the TE and Drafted for the RB as a WR.
I would love this balance!!!
Please note that I did not say anything about you was starting in 2010, only used last years stats
Have at it.
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DUDE! What kind of new math is that? You say "In the Nfl if you start and win you get the win,". The rather obvious obverse to that coin is that if you start and lose you get the LOSS. BUT you go on to try to explain away some of his loses to artificially create some meaningless supposedly winning record? Are you kidding? Stats when used irresponsibly are for losers and you are proving that. You give stats guys like me a bad name when you pull this crap leading people to say stats don't matter. THIS IS WHY SOME PEOPLE DON'T THINK STATS MATTER.
Trent is a proven loser and TEAMS get wins and losses!!!! As usual as fans we end up debating the wrong issue. I could care less if we won 10 games AS A TEAM with Trent. The point is we could win even more with a real QB, with a real arm and real balls!!!!
Wow! Using the word DUDE makes you what 15-16. What I was trying to point out is that Trent played will enough to win those games. IF Elway finishes the DRIVE and then the Kick off team let's them run it back , did Elway not play good enough to win?
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OK.
Everyone has an opinion on the strater for next season, but my question is whovever the starter is what do you do with the others?
Let's say Trent wins starting spot. Do you kept Fitz or Brohm or both? I think the big issue is confidence. Each one of all three have been beat out or replaced by each other (except Brohm issues were in GB). So if you take chances and don't succeed your looking over your shoulder at someone who already has replaced you at some point before. I don't think that works.
It's almost like Flutie/Johnson.
I think you need a real change in play level from your one to your two. Just like Jim Kelly and Frank R.
That all said I think the only spot nailed down is the third spot with Levi Brown.
Thoughts?
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Born NT 1962
Moved Spartanburg, SC 1972
Broome HS 1980
Auburn Alabama 1983 -1985, Auburn Grad 85
Winston-Salem, NC 1986-1992
Charlotte, NC - 1992-1995 - Township Grille great Bills location not sure it's still there.
Atlanta 1995-present
Just finished may basement bar for the 2010 season. Bar has one rule:
GUYS NO SHIRTS - NO DRINKS!!!
GIRLS NO SHIRTS - FREE DRINKS!!!
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I am a statistician and I am calling shenanigans on that- you don't get a win in football. Sorry, but this isn't baseball. I do think trent will start and play as well as possible behind the worst OL in history
If you don't get the win or a win in football.
How do you explain QB comparsions that the team is 4-1 with Whoever and 5-6 with the next guy? Guess what I am asking is it just dump luck that everytime a expert says a QB's win/lose it's the same total as his GS?
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Well if you aint first you're last.
Wait on this list if you are first : your are last!
Leave it to the Bills to be the only team to do that.
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Ok
I have a question. How can all the posters against Trent or any QB for that matter. Say he always checks down or misses the open guy.
When I watch a game at home, the camera keys on the ball and you very rarely see the whole field and at a game its almost the same way, you may be watching the WR saying thier open, but quickly look back and the QB has dumped it off and you may see the pressure or the flow of the game changes and your not sure all you know is that like everybody else at the game your pissed at the QB, maybe someone should have held thier block or maybe the WR who is so open ran the wrong route, who knows.
Not any of the fans, only the coaches and players who new the play call and blocking assignments know the miss q's.
I don't see how we can be game film critics, by just watching network coverage.
As for the quality of the flight of the ball. No QB throws the perfect pass every time. Montana's pass on the Catch was a bad throw that Clark made look good, Kilmer could only throw a thight pass underhanded, watch the NFL Network and I would say 50% of the great passes they show/hightlight are wably and off the mark and the WR makes the QB look good.
Network guys say "that's the only place he could have thrown it" and say BS. In the heat of the game very few QB's can put it in the WR back pocket, it's usally the WR adjusting and making a great catch in my opinion.
Help me out here?
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Based on these facts I think Trent will start and play well:
In the Nfl if you start and win you get the win, so in Trents case that about evens out based on JP injuries and his. With that:
Trent's win vs loses are
5-4 in 2007
7-7 in 2008
2-5 in 2009
14-16 career win/lose.
Now in those starts he has a career 61.3 completion %.
Now flip a coin on the following games that the defense and special teams help lose:
2007 Cleveland
2008 Cleveland
2009 Cleveland and Monday night meltdown NE.
I kept the Dallas meltdown a lose, because he threw 3 int's.
With these four games he is 18-13 career win/lose and he plays more games.
Also with a weak OL you have to Checkdown in this league. Even with playoff teams OL's Rodgers and Ben got put on thier back 87 times and 143 times respectively over the same three years and Fitz was sacked 59 times over the last two years (he has no 2007 stat's) against Trent's career sacks of just 58.
Now add Chan's coaching and I think he does well.
I know stats are for losers, but is he really a loser or was he in a "No Win" situation and produce well for 3 year guy?
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You know what I like about this team?
I like that nobody knows for sure who the starters are going to be. That includes the Fins, Pats and Jets. who we play in the first four games.
Chans knows by now, I would imagine that the schdule is going to keep him from saying much of anything.
Those first four games are make or break for our season within the division.
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Did you guys see the Roundup film with Trent completing a pass to , I think Evans on the side line, I replayed it twice to get the guys number and it was Torell Troup that pulled up and bumped Trent and let him get the pass off, in a real game 2nd string QB would have been in the game and Edwards in the locker room.
I can only hope that when the pads go on that Troup continues with plays like that.
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Why would you recommend someone drink a horrible beer just because it's some sort of a joke/novelty in the region? Drink Flying Bison or Saranac or Southtowns IPA!
OH! I am sorry your opinion is so much better. In the future I'll just tell everyone to ask you first!
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I have flown back to Buffalo the last couple of years. Started when we played Atlanta (Vick).
Here is what I recommend:
Get nice hotel, maybe one with gambling.
Then visit/ eat: (I have stayed at the Seneca Niagara)
Teds Hot Dogs
Falls
Beef On Wick
Downtown Bars for wings
go to Platters in NT for orange chocolate
and Drink Genney Cream Ale
Fly out Monday so you can gamble Sunday after the game.
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Remember, Brohm is usually third on the reps. which means he is going up against maybe second, but usually third and fourth team corners.
Just saying
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Let me say this: the part about him maybe coming back is not a direct quote in the article and Buffalobills.com makes no reference to anything like that.
So I wonder if the B-news is miss representing his position?
Still I am of the opinion that we should trade him if possible.
However how does it work if he retires and then comes out and plays for let's say Houston. Can he do that this year and we get nothing? And if he can why would teams trade with us?
Thoughts?
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OK! Just to give us a starting point and for me to see how close I get come to getting it right.
I project the roster to look like this:
(25)
QB - Edwards, Brohm, Brown
RB - Jackson, Spiller, Bell, Lynch
WR - Evans, Hardy, Parrish, Johnson, Easley, Nelson
FB - None
TE- Nelson, Schuman, Matthews
G - Levitre, Wood, Chambers, Calloway
OT - Bell, Green, Meredith, Wang
C- Hangartner
(24)
DE - Stroud, Edwards, Carrington, Johnson
NT - Williams, Troup
OLB- Maybin, Kelsay, Batten, Moats, Coleman
ILB - Poz, Davis, Mitchell, Torbor
CB - McGee, McKelvin, Florence, Corner, Youboty
SS - Whitner, Scott
FS- Byrd, Wilson
ST (3)
K- Lindell
P - Moorman
LS- Sanborn
Total - 52 (extra will be special teams player - WR, LB, DE, maybe fullback)
Thoughts?
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What I can't believe is that Drafttek has 6 North Carolina defensive players in the top 40 picks.
If I saw that right that is either unbeliviable or the site has no creditablity or both.
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Is there a link that shows number of times thrown to verses actual catches?
I would bet that Stevie was thrown to 12 times with 12 catches. That's why we like him.
Buffalo rumblings studs and duds
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Troup! Sounds like a great pick for a reach at the at the second spot. Ha Ha!
Great job to the Scouting staff and Nix!!!!