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12 hours ago, uninja said:
I find the constant comments about speed odd. Miami had the fastest team on paper and they got manhandled by KC. KC was much slower than SF on paper and still won. Speed isn’t everything.Miami didn’t have Josh Allen throwing to that speed. I agree we need a mix but we are definitely lacking in the vertical threat department right now and that will have defenses playing tighter upfront. Hopefully Hamler is that guy and stays healthy for us. I honestly think the overall draft was fine but switching out Franklin or Tez Walker for the DT Carter would’ve made it a great draft. Even grabbing Bub Means (or one of the little fast dudes like Ainais Smith or Malik Washington) late over one of the 5-7th round, maybe they’ll make the team, backups would’ve gotten us a deep threat to at least keep the defense honest and not smother our intermediate game. Hopefully Brady can make due because I’m happy the FO is making an effort at helping Josh with some of these signings and I love the juice Coleman has already brought to our team, I just think they missed the boat on adding a real vertical threat (honestly substitute Hollywood brown with Curtis Samuel and we killed the offseason for all of Josh’s needs)
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8 minutes ago, Augie said:
I wonder if Ravens fans are more or less upset than so many Bills fans. They have an actual MVP QB, and yet they have produced very little in the playoffs. Are they calling for heads to roll? Just curious.
It’s not for lack of trying with their FO and HC. They just don’t have the guy to win the SB at QB.
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Woke up and saw this, just when I was trying to get over passing on Franklin and Walker 😭…Ravens are such a great drafting team year in and year out
Tez Walker - because he’s an explosive deep threat our QB needs
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9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
The way I see it QB, RB and TE are set. I think Coleman, Shakir, Samuel and Hollins are probably in at receiver. One or two spots left to shoot for. Back of the OL room is a battle. If they want to keep Grable I think he might have to go on the 53.
On defense back end of the DL is a competition. I reckon the top 4 DTs - Ed, Daquan, Johnson and Carter are set. I think at edge Groot, AJE, Von are set and Solomon is probably in to protect their investment (unless he looks way out of his depth then watch for the old Brandon Beane redhsirt IR special). That leaves 1 or 2 spots there for the rest. Linebackers I agree they will keep 6 and they are pretty set. I think Hardy is a lock at corner though. He was drafted to be a backup corner and their primary returner. He is in. Lewis will make it but as the 4th safety behind Bishop, Rapp and Edwards. Hamlin will be cut.
Think you nailed it brother. I wouldn’t keep 6 LBs but McD will I’m sure. I also agree on the 4 WR locks. They need to make it a fair competition for the other 2 spots if they don’t bring in a vet. There’s no reason to just let Shorter have a spot just because he was a 5th rounder last year. I’d love to see Hamler get a legit shot at being the deep threat and would also be on board with bringing in another outside threat either in trade (Aiyuk) or after a few more vets get cut from making room for the rooks. I also really liked Cephus coming out but not sure he fits what we need outside. He was pretty clutch across the middle at Wisconsin though
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12 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:
It's a very cheap contract for them
Glad I put money on Chargers vs Lions SB. $20 to win $3k 🥳
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Just now, NORWOODS FOOT said:
You make a convincing argument. Fingers crossed.
I’ll be grabbing my popcorn!
And even if Coleman wasn’t the BEST pick, I have no doubt he and Josh are going to make some splashy plays.
AND YET can you just imagine a downfield playmaker, a Hopkins type, in that Y spot?…. Fire works.
Actually I could see them adding someone upper tier next offseason.
If we had Hopkins with our current lineup I’d be buying my Super Bowl tickets yesterday
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2 minutes ago, bearstobills said:
2 things; I don't believe McD runs the draft. I think it's a group-think fallacy that has gained traction on this message board. Beane makes the calls, you can see it on the embedded videos. McD strikes me as a bystander (who I'm sure has plenty of opinion and sway) but a bystander nonetheless.
In 2020, after the Epenesa draft, Beane looked visibly disappointed. It was a stacked wide receiver class and I think he was hoping one of Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Laviska Shenault, KJ Hamler, or Chase Claypool would fall to them. He jumped all over Hamler when he became available. That says something.
You could be right brother on Hamler, who knows. But my eyes tell me McD has a big say. He stands next to Beane intimately whenever a selection is made. Either they’re just that close of friends or he’s micromanaging everything since he did get Beane the job 🙄 (I may still be salty that we passed on Franklin and Walker for another rotational DT 😆)
Body language is key when dealing with people and when the cameras scan over to Brad Holmes, he’s clearly making the calls and Dan Campbell is off in the distance high fiving people. -
27 minutes ago, bearstobills said:
He is not a JAG. He was a high 2nd round draft choice, who would have been a high second round draft choice this year also. He tore the same ACL twice, dislocated his hip, and had a heart issue. Watch below and tell me he's a jag. He's electric. Beane would have taken him over Epenesa I'm pretty certain. If he could somehow find 90 percent of what he was, we'd be dangerous.
I don’t think Beane or moreso McD would’ve taken him over any defensive player they had rated the same or higher but I do agree he has special speed. Hoping it works out
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My first instinct without reading any comments is I like this move. I’ve always liked Deon Jones back with Atlanta, so why not throw a cheap deal his way to see if he regain some of that mojo
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I wanted multiple WRs in this draft more than anyone. And I wanted explosive WRs like Franklin and Tez Walker (both could’ve had round 3) BUT I do have optimism in KJ Hamler. He’s a guy I liked coming out of Penn state. I know he had the health issues that Denver parted ways with him on but he’s only 24 with electric speed who will finally have a legit QB throwing him the ball. I’m hoping he’s the vertical threat we need since there really isn’t anyone else available to fill that roll
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16 minutes ago, Wizard said:
When Beane said the team is "in transition" what does that look like for you in 2024-2025.
For me, it means four (4 things).
1. Bills will be 10-7 and get a Wildcard
2. Bills will offload Miller and Knox and will have more cap space heading into 25-26 season
3. Bills will focus on finding a new punter, kicker, and a #1 DE and #1 WR with their top 3 2025-2026 draft picks.
4. With Bills having more cap space and and younger platers, Bills will extend Allen by 3 years.
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My expectations are win the Super Bowl. I don’t hear the “transition” nonsense. Beane and McD don’t get a transition year after multiple years of falling short. Josh Allen is our QB. Hopefully you got him enough offensively to make a deep playoff run or it’s on Beane and McD. 7 years with the most talented QB in NFL history is long enough. Every year is Super Bowl or bust
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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I’m just mad that we’re in May begging for Zay Jones. It shouldn’t be this way!
Agreed we take Franklin or Walker in the 3rd or Bub Means (even Malik Washington or Ainais Smith from the slot gave us a nice vertical threat) with one of the 5ths and we’re feeling optimistic with a deep threat option
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Honestly one of the WRs left in free agency are appealing but at least with MVS and Chark we get a deep threat on the outside. OBJ gives the experience and still has a little left in the tank and I’ve always liked Corey Davis’ potential and even though he’s been a colossal bust, maybe playing with Josh would resurrect his career
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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I disagree. I think that they wouldn't have begin this re-load process without Pegs being fully bought in. Unless the season is a disaster (and I mean like losing record territory) they will get 2025. I think expectations are lower this year and that will be reflected in the way things play out.
And this is the problem. They shouldn’t be given a free pass this year for the mess they created and they still have Josh Allen.
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3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
One more time for everyone in the forum:
BEANE CANNOT SCOUT RECEIVERS.
if you're looking for him to do so, it's like looking for a zebra to have spots not stripes
It definitely feels this way. But he doesn’t have to. He just needs to hire scouts who can and then trust them to give him the right intel.
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23 hours ago, Logic said:
I'd like to start a new tradition here on Two Bills Drive.
The premise is simple. I want everyone who's interested in testing their drafting acumen against Brandon Beane's to list who theywould have chosen at each spot, based on who was available in real life, compared to who the Bills actually chose.
I'll list where the Bills picked, who they picked in real life, and then who I would have picked. And I'd like each person who wants to participate to do the same. You can copy and paste the Bills picks and then post your own chosen player next to it (using the link below and picking only players who were available at that pick), unless you'd rather stick with who the Bills picked.
The only rule is that you have to pick where the Bills actually picked. You can't undo a trade-down they made, and you can't invent a new trade-down or trade-up. You have to stick with the real draft slots that the Bills picked from.
We can check back on this in future years and compare our own preferences to who Beane picked. A chance for each of us to put our money where our mouth is.
Here's the listing of everyone picked in the 2024 NFL draft and where, for easy reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_NFL_draft
I'll start:
Bills 2024 draft class:
Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida StatePick 60: S Cole Bishop, Utah
Pick 95: DT DeWayne Carter, Duke
Pick 128: RB Ray Davis, Kentucky
Pick 141: C/G Sedrick Van Pran-Granger, Georgia
Pick 160: LB Edefuan Ulofoshio, Washington
Pick 168: DE Javon Solomon, Troy
Pick 204: T Tylan Grable, UCF
Pick 219: CB Daequan Hardy, Penn State
Pick 221: G Travis Clayton, International Player Pathway
Who I would've picked instead:
Pick 33: WR Ladd McConkey, Georgia
Pick 60: S Cole Bishop, Utah (same as Bills)
Pick 95: WR Troy Franklin, Oregon
Pick 128: CB TJ Tampa, Iowa State
Pick 141: C/G Sedrick Van Pran-Granger, Georgia (same as Bills)
Pick 160: RB Tyron Tracy Jr, Purdue
Pick 168: DE Javon Soloman, Troy (same as Bills)
Pick 204: OG Christian Mahogany, Boston College
Pick 219: WR Brendan Rice, USC
Pick 221: CB MJ Devonshire, Pitt
This sounds fun. I’ll play later later but honestly I would’ve been fine with this draft if we would’ve taken Franklin or Tez Walker at pick 95 and Brendan Rice with our last pick 221. Get Josh an explosive deep threat and Rice is worth the gamble over a project OT that’s never played football
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3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
another WR with speed.I actually remember liking Cephus coming out of Wisconsin. He’s not going to burn anyone but he was a tough dude with good hands.
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Even if this does end up being a solid draft answer this question, DID WE INVEST IN HELPING THE MOST IMPORTANT AND ONLY PART OF ROSTER THAT WILL WIN US A SUPER BOWL? The answer is no.
While other teams with young franchise QB drafted multiple WRs in what was known throughout the league to be the best and deepest WR class in years, the bills took ONE. We have 11 picks and we took ONE. We traded back multiple times and even out of the draft completely because our FO and Coach think were “fine” at WR. We have one of the 2 best QBs in the entire league and lost our #1 and #2 WR this offseason and we took ONE WR.
- Chargers HC, Jim Harbaugh, known for building through the lines before taking “luxury” picks like WR even took 3 WRs for his new franchise QB.
- The NE Patriots, who are known to be historically awful at helping out their QB, gave their new franchise QB 2 new WRs in the first 4 rounds.
- The Cincinnati Bengals have 2 top 15 WRs in the league and already have multiple solid #3 WRs from the last couple drafts on their roster, they took a high upside WR for Burrow in the 3rd round
- Our rival Miami dolphins already flush with speed added 2 more vertical threats in the Washington boys in the 6th and 7th round.
Even if Beane and company were content with our WR room it’s not ok. Being content is a failure when you have Josh Allen as your QB. We should not be trying to prove he can do it on his own with limited options. Who’s our deep threat? Shakir and Samuel are going over the middle, coleman has great hands outside, Kincaid will eat and be the safety net but who is keeping the defense honest deep and why don’t we have multiple guys that can take the top off like KC (worthy and Hollywood) and Miami when we have the guy with the strongest arm in the league behind center? We should be overflowing his cupboard with riches and riches of WR talent so we can win a damn Super Bowl.
Finally, will a lot of these drafted players work out, yes. But now I’ll ask a different version of my initial question. GAME ON THE LINE, AFC CHAMPIONSHIP, NO MAJOR INJURIES, DID WE GIVE JOSH ALLEN EVERYTHING HE NEEDS TO BEAT THE CHIEFS?
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28 minutes ago, BillsVet said:
And when they don't meet expectations, he offers a weak excuse like not being able to draft a JaMarr Chase-type WR because their QB was healthy. A fan can live with that if there's improvement the following season, but that didn't happen in 2023. It was same old, same old.
I've always wondered when Beane would come to the realization that being tied at the hip of McDermott was an anchor on his career. Because as much as McD got him this job, it's McD whose plan largely drives personnel decisions.
And, that plan does not seem to consider that Josh could want out because his career is physically and competitively being hampered by McBeane.
Yes! 🙌
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8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I mean no offense, but I wouldn't consider the players on your list simply being Drafted as being a "hit". I think most of us who did work on these guys could tell that the guys who were Drafted were going to be Drafted somewhere. I would count the "hits" as players being taken where you placed them.
There's a disconnect between how you viewed a number of these prospects and how the league as a whole viewed them. A number of guys weren't Drafted near where you had them ranked - whether they were Drafted higher than you had them or lower than where you had them.
Granted, teams have way more information than you and I do. Character, work ethic, and medical come into play just as much as the tape itself.
No offense taken. I can only go off of film. Film showed there were a lot of really good WR prospects we passed on multiple times. Most years the list of potential WRs that can make a team better is much thinner. We went into the draft losing our #1 and #2 WR AND even if we had BOTH we would've needed a WR so leaving this loaded draft with only 1 WR, no matter if you agree with my assessments or not, is a fail
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4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Well, I was trying to talk myself into feeling better about the draft, and now I'm mad again. Thanks, Nick.
It still might work out, but I do think there is an arrogance there, and it is because there isn't really accountability.
I hope Beane is lying about not bringing anyone in post 6/1.
100% agree and it’s eventually going to either get them both fired or Josh will not be re-signing after this contract. It’s sad because it’s ok to make mistakes in their business because they have a top 2 QB in the league. Just take care of him and he’ll take care of your jobs. Stop trying to win in spite of him. That’s not how it works, you win because of him and enjoy the free ride
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I hit on 29 out of my top 30 WRs, only missing out on my #30 and honestly he'll probably do well in Detroit. I wrote a quick tier assessment below (undrelined and italicized) and bolded the team that drafted the WR.
Some things I noticed were most of my top ranked WRs went to teams with offensive minded head coaches with young QBs and/or teams with franchise QBs getting them more weapons. Some of these teams went back to the well multiple times and didn't even need to BUT because they understood how great a WR draft this was they took the value when it fell to them.
Tier 1 – Can’t Miss, pick your flavor, would be the top WR in most drafts and we get THREE of them this year.
1. Marvin Harrison – Arizona pick 4
2. Rome Odunze – Bears pick 9
3. Malik Nabers – Giants pick 6
We had no real chance to get these guys
Tier 2 – Late first round - Potential #1 WRs that still need a little refinement
4. AD Mitchell – Colts pick 52
5. Brain Thomas Jr – Jaguars pick 23
6. Troy Franklin – Broncos pick 102
Apparently we didn’t like either Mitchell or Franklin. Could’ve easily taken Franklin over Carter in the 3rd and I would’ve said we had a very good draft but we will soon see if I or our FO was wrong on Franklin
Tier 3 – Special #2 options
7. Xavier Worthy – Chiefs pick 28 (we basically gave him to the chiefs)
8. Ladd McConkey – Chargers pick 34
I get why we passed when we did with what kind of WR we needed but didn’t realize we weren’t going to try and get a deep threat at all in this draft rich with them
Tier 4 – Potential #1 WRs with HUGE question marks that a lot of teams won’t take the risk on (I would because of the upside)
9. Jermaine Burton – Bengals pick 80
10. Tez Walker –Ravens pick 113
2 players with speed and upside we should’ve went after but the teams that got them understand that their franchise QBs need downfield weapons
Tier 5 – Good to Great #2 options that will go somewhere Day 2 of the draft (deepest part of the WR draft)
11. Ja’Lynn Polk – Patriots pick 37
12. Ricky Pearsall – 49ers pick 31
13. Keon Coleman – Bills pick 33
14. Xavier Legette – Panthers pick 32
15. Roman Wilson – Steelers pick 84
16. Brenden Rice – Chargers pick 225
17. Javon Baker – Patriots pick 110
All solid #2 WRs like I said before. Very surprised Rice fell so far, maybe something will come out about him.
Tier 6 – A slot of talent, early day 3 guys
18. Malachi Corley – Jets pick 65
19. Ainais Smith – Eagles pick 152
20. Malik Washington – Dolphins pick 184
Speed kills! Unless you’re buffalo then we just say nah thanks we “like what we’ve got at WR”.
Tier 7 – Best of the rest, Round 5-7
21. Johnny Wilson – Eagles pick 185
22. Luke McCaffrey – Commanders pick 100
23. Jalen McMillan – Bucs pick 92 - Speed, vertical threat we could've had in 3rd
24. Jamari Thrash – Browns pick 156
25. Jacob Cowing – 49ers pick 135
26. Cornelius Johnson – Chargers pick 253
27. Bub Means – Saints pick 170 - Huge upside vertical threat could've had with one of our MULTIPLE 5th round picks
28. Ryan Flournoy – Cowboys pick 216
29. Tahj Washington – Dolphins pick 241 - Speed, vertical threat we could've had in the 7th
30. Isaiah Williams – Undrafted signed by Lions
Last thing I'll state because I can't hide my disgust on how we handled this great opportunity to improve our team with so many missed chances after the plethora of picks Beane used for players that will sit in back up rolls (but hey they're good character guys so neato...
I no longer trust Beane. I've given up on McD getting this team to the promised land and know it will only happen under him if Josh carries everyone on his back BUT I've always thought Beane will do his best to get the right players around Josh in spite of McD favoring his pathetic d year after year. This was an epic fail on his part. I don't care about his or anyone's ego. Who cares if Diggs said Josh can't win without a #1 WR. Who cares if you want to prove your lackluster picks in previous drafts are going to work out (Justin Shorter). What I care about is the Buffalo Bills winning a Super Bowl. What I care about is putting as much talent around the best player this franchise ever had to give him the best chance to succeed. And my final point is...Josh Allen is very intelligent. You keep giving him the scraps and expecting him to superman it year in and year out, he will leave. We won't have anyone else to blame but ourselves because he won't say anything. It's not his job to say what he wants. It's the owner and FO's job to make the right decisions and they are failing miserably since the 13 second melt down.
Hopefully KJ Hamler works out as the deep threat. Coleman seems like a good kid and will be a fun Higgins type. Shakir and Samuel will do a good job in the middle and Kincaid will get better year two. I just hope it's enough. Maybe one day we'll over do it on the offensive side of the ball like we over do the defense year in and year out without success.
Go Bills
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4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
I mean if you “like your group” definitely no reason to take better talent 🤦🏻♂️
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5 minutes ago, Let's Go Buffalo said:
I was actually hoping for a Frank Gore, Jr. signing.
I like this signing but it’s also why you don’t need to take a RB until late. Could’ve used that pick on a WR
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Bills pick up Groot's 5th year option
in The Stadium Wall
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I’d pick neither at this point and use that money elsewhere. We’ll see after this season