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Pop Warner: first and foremost I did a wiki search for Pop because he was a hella guy here's a link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Scobey_Warner, and yes he started little league teams and I know that is where most of you are coming from when you use his name but really, it is sad to hear people say Pop Warner in a derogatory sense. The man had quite a career and gave us
the screen pass,spiral punt,single- and double-wing formations, the use of shoulder and thigh pads.
so please stop doing that.
I was an offensive guard in Pop Warner and played a variety of positions in HS (but didn't start much lol and eventually quit to join wresting and swimming teams, I was small, what can I say). I did learn a lot and understood basic concepts (and have been learning ever since by fandom and boards etc. such as this one here). My Pop Warner team won a championship though and was undefeated. We ran both single and double wings (something Hackett would be really smart to look at IMHO as NFL defenses are not built the right way to defend that these days and it is a running game philosophy).
Second: I have been reading a lot on here about our Oline and spread formations and blocking assignments. Quite a few people have the idea that we are a straight ahead man blocking scheme and not a zone scheme. I watched the line play carefully on Sunday because I had heard either Maroon or someone from the Bills last year and they said we were using zone blocking scheme. I really wanted to verify it through plays I watched and have come to the conclusion that we are in fact, a zone blocking scheme (even if it doesn't look that much like one for a few other reasons I will get to later).
We play sort of the opposite of a spread offense, so it is harder to see the zone assignments. Our line the TEs and sometimes the WRs are all really pretty close together (bunched). In the passing game this has advantages in some ways and a liability in others. One way it has advantages is we don't need super good pass blocking guards as the inside gaps are smaller (and they don't have to be able to move their hips as well). Also, they can be assumed to be slower than normal because they just don't have as much space to travel to, or fall back to.
But this also is why our offense is not good at or trying to use the screen pass (unless it is a WR bubble screen, which the WRs and TE would be the main blockers on) so much, and you probably won't see many sweeps or jet sweeps. You need fast or at least not slow guards to do that. This is also why Spiller up the middle besides his inability to see the hole, isn't working and why people say he has no space. He really doesn't that often, NFL LBs are big and fast for the most part and they "back up" the line, they obviously have an easier time inside against our line, (less space to cover) this is also why teams hide players on delayed blitzes and stunting and have success with it.
In the run game this also has advantages and pitfalls. If your line is slow delays happen slower and it takes a good degree of patience (or even Fred Jackson slowness
) for your RBs to hit the hole but it is smaller and filled faster. As mentioned above, with our liabilities with guards you can't have them leading outside blocking on pulls. The advantage is straight up push your guy back blocking (which explains in theory why we prefer big guys there.So, that brings me to my third point: the Chan' spread and CJ and Oline play with that when it was a spread zone scheme. Our line used to be smaller and faster and Fitz was an excellent reader of Ds (which from what I have seen of Orton in his career is also the case and maybe one of EJs least desirable non attributes at this point in time). Both Orton and Fitz are good at getting the ball out quick (sometimes). But what I am thinking about most here is that the team made up for some weaknesses by using the spread with a zone scheme.
With a quick reader you can adjust the play to the weak links in a D. If you have a weapon like Spiller you can use him in the seams that are created by the spreading of the field. As most people on here acknowledge and recognize. Of course in that system you need deep threats or the D will just all line up in the box and you have fewer openings (which is part of why it is called a horizontal scheme). And why Chan was figured out. The dunk and dink only works if you have guys who can take the ball home from 20 yards out (in most schemes but it is harder to get guys there in a spread, especially with a weak Oline). Actually, that is true about both the bunch and the spread, no time for a QB is hard to mask as a weakness, you need to be able to sustain and progress to 2nd levels with your line. Spiller had an advantage here because our WRs in Chan's scheme were very good blockers for 2nd and 3rd level runs.
So all of this leads me to our staff. We have a problem, a weak Oline is killing us. We are not adjusting the scheme to meet our players strengths and I am not sure we are built to do so. We also have a guard who is a tackle (and both are just giant kind of slow men), not a fit for shorter Dline men....we can't get leverage. We are not balanced in our play calling or successful in it and the game plans don't seem flexible. The calls are predictable and it is only game 7 coming up. I kind of see what they wanted to do but they don't seem to have a back up plan. Good teams are and can and will take advantage. Firering Hackett now seems unreasonable (since we are mid season). Most of us can see the problems but we don't have confidence that HCDM and OCNH are going to fix them. I also kind of hated Schwartzy's, Wanny imitation with our secondary and Dline last week.
Blowing up the coaching might be the only option or not. It is a tough thing for a new owner to inherit, I don't think it is a GM problem so much (or front office at this point). I think there are creative ways to help the situation but don't think our coaches are up to it and we may not have some of the personnel to deal with it. But they should certainly try! I can see we are at a weaker part of our schedule, we need a mid-season training camp sort of, to implement some other stuff, we look way too obvious and predictable at this point, this needs fixing or heads will roll.
In a lot of ways, it's not that hard. We need to have our play-makers on the field (god I have been hoping for CJ and Fred on the field together more since we got CJ!) and they need the ball, a lot. We need even the situational players to have plays for them that our weak links can execute. The coaches need to get real and creative or their time here is done.
Have I mentioned, I love this team and hope for the best still yet? This needs attention, we definitely need to space out our Oline and the zone scheme might need to totally go. But it is a large part of what is wrong.
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I like Mike and am starting to hope he outlasts his coach, sort of. I would be pissed too. I think he is a #2 though, and maybe even a 3 on this team. But he is better than Hogan (I know he had a decent game but MW has had a decent career).
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So you advocate not winning so EJ can grow.... I don't, win and get in the postseason. Play Orton until he is not better than EJ or replace them both with some one clearly better (like that is going to happen, hah!)Orton has 8 years experience
EJ 14 games
same for EJ. You've got to give the guy some time to develop.
Like now with the next 7 soft opponents
The funny thing is I don't totally disagree with you but I do think that CJs fumble was the game turning point, going into halftime with the extra three and getting the kick off was killer. More than 100 yards in penalties also were not on Orton. I guess my point is it was his second game with us after no preseason and I knew who he was before we got him. He is an upgrade as I said before, no doubt in my mind. I can see it in his play, stats or not. He did have a pretty crumby game, he does that too. He is not great.10 points came off Orton turnovers in the first half. In the NFL momentum is king and Orton gave liftoff to the Patriots in a home game that was the most important game in the last 10 or so years for this franchise.
To say Orton wasn't the biggest on the field problem yesterday is to be in denial. Other Bills players may have had much worse games, but other players don't play by far the most important position on the field.
I don't like the stat much (liked the old one better, really), but that's just me. I agree we need better just pointing out Orton was okay (is that another way of saying mediocre?) Ooops! hahahaim not sure yardage is a better stat than total QBR, where they were both pretty rough. still need better qb play.
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If you can't see Orton is an upgrade over EJ's play you are looking at the wrong stats. Over 300 yards last week and 299 yesterday 91 passer rating (I think I read somewhere). Yes he is making some mistakes, almost Fitz like ones kind of but he is better than either Fitz or EJ. Time will show this more, I am sure of that. Our QB wasn't the big problem yesterday, the Oline, the refs, playing maybe the best QB of all time.... yes. Orton passes the eyeball test so far IMHO. I am not saying he is great mind you or even that good but he is okay. And yes he had a bit of an off day.
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I posted in a different thread that it is a theft of fans' money because it deprives them of the sports entertainment experience they are paying to watch.
The game is for "entertainment purposes only", so I think if you're not enjoying the entertainment you could stop watching. They never said the rules were fair, if they did that it would be less life like, wouldn't it? Do you think the gladiators or loins thought the games were fair?
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Gay had that pooch-like kick plus another that didn't quite make it to the goal line. I understand if Carpenter can't get the job done, then you have to have another guy. But if you are going to have a KO specialist, he should be putting every single kickoff through the end zone. It's an uncontested play where accuracy barely matters.
He is at more than 80% (according to HCDM in a presser a week or 2 ago), that means a lot. 2 out of ten no returns. I think one of those today was meant to be shorter too, for whatever reason the staff had (I might be wrong) you have to consider that he is kicking in the Ralph 1/2 the time too. It is worth a roster spot. His putting teams on the 20 is all about stats of how well teams do from the 20. I don't have a link but scoring from there but I did find this looking for it. And it has some relating figures but not what I am looking for.
In anycase there definitely is an argument in favor of it. Who knows is it possible Mike Williams has a big game yesterday but he hasn't had one yet this year really. One of the issues with the roster size game day really, I personally don't see why you have 53 player rosters and only 46 active. The NFL has some really screwed up rules.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/impact-nfls-kickoff-rule-change
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Sort of like that catch last week. More of a tap to himself but still.They should design plays where Sammy throws the ball to himself.
So your point is Whaley really botched this evaluation then. Both the QB position and wasting 2 first round picks on a receiver?
So if your the coaches why do waste 2 1st round picks and only target him 3 times in this game. It's either the player, coaching or both. A rather large indictment on the current football operations if you ask me.
Who asked you?
I'm actually surprised that it took 6 weeks for the "bust" movement to get going.
Never too late, is it? Moulds was a bust too if I remember correctly. A. Williams too but we sure missed him in that game.
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I thought we got a new CB from the thread title.
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I think Cowher is finished coaching.
Personally, I'm very curious who posters here think might be a good, realistic replacement. There are plenty of threads with easy jokes, but how about some informed opinions?
You are looking in the wrong place for that. Really.
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There are wood reclamation businesses, I wonder what the lumber in some of those buildings and the land are worth? Are there taxes if you own a village? Do you become a government?
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"Genius." So, you're saying his creativity is unprecedented? He's head and shoulders above other well-respected artists of our time?
He's not just some guy with too much time on his hands who's cutting wood, piecing it together, and painting it rainbow colors?
Actually no one's creativity is unprecedented art is more like a language or science, in that things are built off the backs of others. I think he does some pretty cool stuff and art is also subjective, so you don't have to, nor do I care if you agree.
It is said there is a thin line that separates genius from some guy with too much time on his hands.... Throw in Divine Inspiration and, well, who knows?
And maybe even a little crazy, it seems to help.
Time to quit my job and go to church. My potential is limitless.
Nah you are too much a doubter, won't happen and if it does, well there is always the 10,000 hours rule. Most norms don't get past that.
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You are wrong, our analytic guy will tell you different.
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Well statistically, it was closer than it was scoring wise. We out rushed them for instance. We made more yards per penalty too.
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, haha, it's funny cause it's true.Pegula's honeymoon period is already over I see.
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Nice, a new thread about something that has never been discussed before round these parts. I hate to see 1/2 naked women too, just a big distraction to sell stuff.
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Wow good post, I am sure it well generate a lot of discussion. No mention of the mafia controlled LV betting machine? I used to wonder how the league got away with this stuff and why there was no investigative journalism done to uncover some of this crap but it is all about revenues, small market teams get screwed because of that man, it sucks to be a Bills fan!Than let's start a petition NFL wide to remove chief fool Dean Blandino. Things have deteriorated to the point the game is unwatchable. After 50 years I have never witnessed this type of debacle. This is more than disgusting it is unethical.
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More than what I pay you, which is no attention.
burned!
What's a paragraph idiot? This is the internet and I have bad eyes and wear glasses. More paragraphs make it easier to read. That all said OP we hear what you are saying and may or might not agree....I don't know, I only made it to the 6th line.Thanks DC Tom. (reference to paragraphs idiots)
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Watch videos of SU when Nassib was there, his Olines there look pretty shaky there too.
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The personnel and coaching decisions going back to 2013 (when Whaley took over) make little, if any sense. And for the record, I recognize he wasn't the official GM until May 2013, but Buddy was being eased out of the decision making process during the 2013 off-season.
They're staring at busts with their 2013 1st round QB and perhaps the 2014 2nd round pick OT who doesn't dress. They just IR'd (for a back problem) their first UFA signing in 2014, who has a history of back injuries. They failed to adequately replace Levitre in 2013, doing so with castoffs who hurt the team. This year, they're starting 2 rookies on the OL and a displaced RT at RG who flat out stinks. They never tried to acquire a proven veteran QB until the final week of their 2nd pre-season. That led to lost games in 2013 when they started a rookie UDFA and a journeyman QB (on 4 teams in 4 years and now out of the NFL). They got what looks like an outstanding WR in the 2014 draft, but not before selling off their top pick in 2015 to do it when they weren't 1 player away with a QB who has major accuracy issues.
As for the coaching staff, the rookie HC in 2013 proceeded to hire several SU cronies, notably the OC who had never served as a position coach in the NFL. And last year the rookie OC was charged with being QB coach to a raw rookie as well. This worked so well that they finally broke down and hired a QB coach and an offensive assistant (who previously had failed as OC in SF) in 2014.
Whaley owns this now and I hope Accorsi or Wolf advocate for massive changes at OBD that are accepted. Either Whaley gets overruled frequently, or his acumen isn't as high as some would like to believe.
That is all pretty fair but that doesn't really include ALL of the coaching. We have good and some great core players, when you have that and things don't get done and the loses pile up, it's coaching.
There was a lot to overcome in this game, ourselves, the Pats* and the refs. Sadly I think Marrone just doesn't have "it". And Swartz dialed up an awful no blitz package.
The refs had a effect on the out come of the game... refs should really never have that. There are such things as switches in momentum and it gets in players heads when they get bad calls. I agree our coaching has totally underwhelming. Our Oline looks very bad and the game plans are WTF? At times today I felt I was watching a Jaroun offense with a Wanny D. That is bad and that is sad, never going to get by NE* with that.
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The secondary was pathetic today. The PI penalty that Williams took was pure panic and stupid. If Buffalo wants to win, need to cut down on the obvious stuff and get better in covering the air games. Spiller was irrelevant and made a lot of dumb mistakes that cost us, the fumble before the half was just sure idiocy.
Having to play the officials also does not help the cause any. Pretty sad when NE WRs are allowed to push DBs to the ground to "create separation" and not get flagged. Like others, it wouldn't be so bad if these kinds of things were consistently called but they aren't. The Hughes penalty is in response to the NFLs new zero tolerance policy concerning domestic abuse.
Why cant people get specific?
I will.
Jerry Hughes = BULLSH.IT CALL
Sammy Watkins = BULLSH.IT CALL
Robert Woods = BULLSH.IT CALL
Tom Brady throwing it away while blanketed by Dareus = BULLSH.IT NO CALL
Can anyone tell me at what point in time the Refs had a so-so call against the Pats?
I could go on from other games.
3 times this year the Bills have gotten a flag picked up with the refs saying there was no foul. One flag hit K.Williams in the face after an obvious hold.
Watkins getting raped, flag thrown and then picked up.
Its been like this for years and today Pegula paid dearly for bringin his dog into Krafts office!
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Thanks ExiledInIllinois I am an artist so I am mostly packing up artwork and some of my kids stuff. Don't have much in terms of things I want to keep otherwise. I won't need a whole container at all. It is crazy how convoluted shipping a crate is from here. I am thinking of maybe air freighting some pretty big boxes now. Sea shipping seems to be a giant hassle! Fumigated wood has to be used and all sorts of custom clearances....if you eff it up it goes into government storage which I am sure aint cheap, ah the good old USA. I still have to figure out where to ship it to because I really am not sure where I will end up yet.
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No, frankly she scares me too.
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As an artist, I have to say this man is a genius. I put it on my FB page too, like the blog as well. Wish I was still around in Bflo at times, there is a lot of cool stuff to see.
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So it's actually a really large cilt, thanks for the TMIOnly at 8pm on Wednesdays.
Does Jason Garret Teach us Something About Coaching Changes?
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