John in Jax
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16 hours ago, Bad Things said:
If you're not watching the White House Briefing... I strongly suggest you do. Don't watch bits and pieces through the news. Watch the whole thing.
I saw that presser as it happened yesterday, and it was very informative, and very entertaining! I especially liked Dr Fauci’s part near the very start of it, and his interaction with the female reporter who asked him if he was “ordered” to say what he said.
All indications that I see are telling me that we’ll be back to “almost normal” in MANY parts of the country come mid May. Obviously the “hot spots”, and hot states (NY, NJ, CONN, & MASS) will take longer.
One very interesting thing I saw on TV last night (and it wasn’t totally surprising), is that in NY state, with all those deaths, an overwhelming (over 90%) number of those dying had a hi risk/pre existing condition.
10 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:I seen some talk in another thread and decided to join to share my thoughts.
There was talk about people being extremely sick ill back in December, and I can attest to this.
It started for me on Black Friday with a sore throat that turned into a fever, body aches, and overall just feeling like junk. I however think this illness just weakened my immune system to get something way more seriously the first week in Dec. I still went to work while battling that cold, which was probably a mistake because it made me susceptible to other illnesses. I sit next another employee who's wife does international banking all over the country (including frequent long trips to China). She came back on thanksgiving to be home for the holidays. His whole family ended up getting sick, including him. I'm fairly confident I also had whatever his family had, because the entire office around him was ill too. It spread like something I have never seen. I ended up getting my parents ill too.
The symptoms were much of the COVID-19. Started off with a massive headache (I never get headaches, but I couldn't even look my computer at work), then it went to my digestive track, next thing I know I have this fever and cough that would not go away. I usually workout everyday for about an hour and half after work but that was impossible (the exhaustion was immense). I would say for 2 and half full weeks I would wake up in legit puddles of sweat. I will never forget on Dec 13th (Friday the 13th), I thought I was a goner. My fever was so bad I was like almost blacking out. From there I had this cough and breathing issue that was so frustrating because there was like nothing to cough up. I coughed till at least mid January. My sister had this breathing machine for asthma, and I ended up doing that for about 3 weeks everyday. It was helping for a little, but had to do it about every 4 hours.
This spread to my parents pretty bad and my mom ended up going to the doctors. The doctor told her it was probably pneumonia and gave her something (Doctor did very little because it has been so many weeks already since it started).
Hands down the sickest I have ever been especially for how long it lasted. You would have days you felt ok, but then you would wake up the next day and have no idea how you are sicker than before.
I consider myself a pretty healthy person too (kind of immune obsessed). I take all these precautions that the CDC wants now, every day (washing of hands, eating healthy, supplementary vitamins, holding large gatherings, etc.). This sickness in Dec was too strong though.
Sorry it's long, but I seen some other posts on it and wanted to share what I experienced too. I did apply for that antibody test in that other thread.
So you didn’t go to the doctor!? They certainly would have been able to tell you if it was a strain of the flu, or maybe pneumonia. Most likely would have given you tamiflu or similar too. Glad you & all your relatives made it through OK.
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Just throwing this out there......if you take out NY, NJ, Conn, and Massachusetts, the numbers in ALL of the other states seem to be on a par with an average flu year.
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5 hours ago, Hedge said:
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What if they put on a light show and nobody was there to see it? Did it still really happen?
2 hours ago, shoshin said:The Surgeon General hinting at tracking and isolating contacts. We won't be doing this with manual teams like Korea, guaranteed. We can't set that infrastructure up in 3 weeks. Only tech can provide it.
"And, number two: we want to see cases start to come down for ideally two weeks. And, once that happens, we want to make sure we have a public health infrastructure in place so that we can follow up on positive tests and isolate case contacts," added Adams.
"Once we feel comfortable we can do that, we can start reopening in places that have flattened their curve and have a low-lying level of cases, because we have confidence that one case won't turn into 10, 100, a thousand," he concluded.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/us-surgeon-general-jerome-adams-advice-to-american-workers-coronavirus
First admin statement I've seen about this. I'm glad they are saying this is a prerequisite to opening.
A LOT of Americans will NOT be down with being “tracked”, including me.
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17 minutes ago, Gray Beard said:
I feel that these statistics are very misleading. New York has tested a much higher number of people. The official case numbers and death numbers are based on people who were tested. More people need to be tested, and maybe there should be a category of “probable” cases or deaths, based on symptoms rather than test results. The overall death statistics for this year compared to previous years paint a much more grim picture, in Europe as well as in the US. It’s also hard to know how many cases there really are since so many of the people who get it never even tell a doctor, let alone get tested. I know we sound like a broken record, but until the antibody tests are universally available, the true nature of the beast will not be accurately understood.
Another fly in the ointment is that in some places, they are falsely attributing deaths to this virus when that is not the “real” cause. Dr. Birx admitted this fact yesterday.
ETA: Here’s a good story that talks about these matters:
https://www.ft.com/content/f3796baf-e4f0-4862-8887-d09c7f706553
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12 minutes ago, Brit said:
The city of Auckland - the urban area rather than the district (which is larger) - has one third of the total population of New Zealand.
Yes they are going to have less cases as their population is smaller. But they acted far quicker than other governments and are already reaping the rewards.
So Auckland has about 1.6 million people, and NY city alone has about 8.7 million people. OK then.
15 minutes ago, Sundancer said:Yesterday's numbers in Spain and Italy continue the long, long, long period of level numbers in those countries. I thought the deaths would level and then drop. That hasn't happened. Level has come and hung on for almost 17 days now. The UK climbs.
In the US, we had a giant spike yesterday to nearly but not quite 2000 deaths, and are well on our way to a similar outcome today. It was a broad jump with many states showing big leaps. CT, MI, MA, LA, IL, GA all popping up as it appears NY and NJ will not be the only hotspots as we had hoped. GA and MA, which closed very late, have been surging.
How come Florida’s numbers aren’t exploding like everybody in here thought they would, you know, what with that irresponsible Governor who waited forever to close down the beaches and bars? In addition, Florida has TONS of old/high risk people living here; that can’t help matters. I’m confused.
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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Kiwis are apparently quite sensible birds:
"It has been less than two weeks since New Zealand imposed a coronavirus lockdown so strict that swimming at the beach and hunting in bushland were banned."
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"It took only 10 days for signs that the approach here — “elimination” rather than the “containment” goal of the United States and other Western countries — is working.
The number of new cases has fallen for two consecutive days, despite a huge increase in testing, with 54 confirmed or probable cases reported Tuesday. That means the number of people who have recovered, 65, exceeds the number of daily infections."
The reason that New Zealand jumped to a level 4 lockdown with only 102 cases? “We were hugely worried about what was happening in Italy and Spain,” said one of them, Stephen Tindall, founder of the Warehouse, New Zealand’s largest retailer. “If we didn’t shut down quickly enough, the pain was going to go on for a very long time,” he said in a phone interview. “It’s inevitable that we will have to shut down anyway, so we would rather it be sharp and short.”
We are doing the "pain going to go on for a very long time" in the US of A because we do not, even now, have a uniform lockdown.
Does the fact that they have LESS THAN 5 million people in the whole country mean anything? Is there anywhere in their country that approaches the population density close to what we have in our larger cities?
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1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
The United States on Tuesday reported more than 1,800 coronavirus-related fatalities, a new one-day high.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/07/coronavirus-latest-news/
a Guardian report has a higher number
And On the Other Hand:
"A key forecasting model used by the White House has revised its prediction of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S., now estimating a peak of 60,415 by early August. The model created by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington had predicted a peak of 81,766 deaths in an update on Sunday. Public health experts, including Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, have previously estimated that as many as 100,000 to 200,000 Americans could die from the novel coronavirus."
So even though these numbers have been fluctuating WILDLY (Remember when they said that 2.2 million people might die [this was with no lockdowns]? Editing the latter to: By the end of March, the White House was projecting 100,000 to 240,000 deaths as America's best-case scenario for the pandemic. That was WITH the lockdowns...so they were only off by 400% just 8 days ago). Obviously, these new numbers are GOOD news!
ETA: I'm constantly amazed at how many folks in this forum are posting up so many negative, depressing, "doom & gloom" stories, and then actually attacking and/or laughing at others (with Emoji use) for being positive and optimistic. Just astounding....
ETA #2: I'm hearing/seeing/reading that ALL OVER THE WORLD, a LOT of people are being counted as a Covid-19 death, when the actual truth is that Covid-19 was NOT the real cause of their death. So of course, this also SKEWS the numbers. I think that we may never know the "real" numbers, especially since they keep saying that there are so many asymptomatic carriers out there. Re the latter: I don't think you can force people to get tested to see if they had the virus. And I'm pretty sure that a TON of people will pass on that test, if offered.
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2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:
Because spreading false hope is exactly why we are in the situation we are in.
and no disrespect, but I think I will take this guys opinion over yours,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._Haseltine
and for the record, this dude is a regular on Fox News, don’t think his agenda is what you think it is.
Wow. IT’S NOT MY OPINION, and I NEVER said that it was!
I don’t have the time, and don’t want to scour the internet for the THOUSANDS of cases where this has helped people (and NO reported “side effect” deaths), then cut and paste the stories, and put them in here....the drug is helping people ALL OVER THE WORLD. A quick Google search will let ANYBODY see that.
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2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:
WTF is a long distance call?
LOL So not sure why some of y’all in here are going to great lengths to try and shoot down this drug (I have an idea though), but since I have been locked up at home, I have watched (& read online) a LOT of coverage about this matter, and the overwhelming “anecdotal” evidence is that it is helping WAY more people than hurting them. In fact, I haven’t seen ANY reports of it actually hurting somebody....of someone having a serious side effect. If you’re in a bad situation because you’ve contracted the virus, and the choice is between taking this drug to see if it helps you OR not taking it, the answer seems to be very clear. But yeah, don’t eat fish tank cleaner, and of course consult with you doctor before taking it.
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9 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:
One guys perspective from the front.
Quoted from the story above:
“I ran a floor of COVID-19 positive patients with severe symptoms. Our team used the combo of hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin and it seemed to help! Of the patients that I treated for these four days who where acutely ill — all ages and health conditions — most (loosely defined and footnoted) seemed to improve and were able to be discharged home. I can say that I transferred no one to the ICU but I sent many people home.“
So yet ANOTHER testimonial for hydroxychloroquine! That’s good news. I’m glad that doctors are using it, and didn’t listen to idiotic talking heads on TV who were badmouthing it for days on end. -
From a story on The NY Times website, which I just read, and was just updated 33 minutes ago (talking about NY city, the hottest spot in the country):
“The number of virus patients in hospitals increased 4 percent since Monday, the fourth straight day that it had grown 7 percent or less after growing at least 20 percent a day for weeks.
The number of patients on ventilators in intensive-care units increased, too, but at the smallest one-day rate in weeks, up 2 percent since Monday.
As of Tuesday, there were nearly 4,600 patients on ventilators in New York, far fewer than pessimistic projections in recent weeks said there might be. That has helped keep the state from exhausting its supply of ventilators.“
The link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html
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Regarding the lack of a “centrally based plan”, maybe check out the Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution. I’m quite certain that is what the Federal government is trying to abide by (in allowing the states to exercise their own specified rights).
ETA: Just seeing that MLB is going to strive to start their season in May. Maybe in front of no fans. More to come, obviously. Good for them!
ETA #2: Not sure why people are giving me the “Ha ha” emoji here, because what I posted above is exactly the reason why there’s no central plan, as President Trump has been directly queried about this.....more than once over the past month I might add.....and he has directly cited the Constitution as his reason to not mandate states take a certain action.
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2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:
The problem is, everyone cant go back to normal because then we are either right back here again.... or we just try to ignore it and the worst case scenario is realized. Without a vaccine, or some sort of hammer treatment for the symptoms, we are pretty screwed.
They need to be finalizing a plan for testing, tracking, and containment
Yes, agreed. That’s why I said “some semblance “ of normal, vs the complete shutdown we have now, which is ruining many, many lives. And the longer the shutdown goes on, the more lives will be ruined (economically, emotionally, & physically).
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Seems that there’s light at the end of the tunnel! Hopefully by mid May we can get back to some semblance of normal. And maybe after all is said and done the “modelers” at IHME will get pink slips.
To date, I still haven’t seen/heard of a single case in all of the USA where someone needed a ventilator, but wasn’t able to get one. Yet every day on my TV, I continue to be told that the sky is falling.
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1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
Is this a possibility?
Real coronavirus death toll in U.S. is higher than ...
12 hours ago · As the number of people who died of the coronavirus in the United States gets close to the 10,000 mark, experts warn that the real number is certainly higher. The official death toll fails to ...
OTOH, I've read a LOT of stories over the last few days that said in many US hospitals/morgues they are listing this virus as the cause of death when that's not really the case. I guess we'll just have to wait a few months before we get the "real" numbers.....
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Hydroxychloroquine is an “experimental” drug? I thought it’s been around for decades, and is relatively safe (all drugs will have side effects for some people).
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Just now, Limeaid said:
There is no reason why the US cannot ramp up industries and produce number of ventilators needed if US Government guarantees payments.\
This is the biggest failing of our economic system - they can bail out banks on speculation "too big to bust" but they cannot retool as they did for WWII.
I'm pretty sure that they are doing that, aren't they? Also, to date, have there been any documented instances of a situation (in the USA) where a ventilator was needed, and not available?
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1 hour ago, K-9 said:
I hope he recovers quickly. As much as some want to paint him as a “disgrace”, ironically by people who have absolutely NO concept of military order, he performed his paramount duty with courage: the protection of his ship and crew.
Hi there, former active duty US Air Force officer here (and currently in the USAF Reserves). People calling him a disgrace are indeed being too harsh on him......but he did go outside the proper chain of command by copying (cc ing) too many people on his email he sent out.
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The “how far people are traveling” has so many variables, not sure why they’re even reporting stuff like this. Things such as how many people are still going to work, how far away is work from their home, how far away from home is the closest grocery store, are people bicycling or motorcycling away from home? (FL has either the most or 2nd most [CA] motorcycle registrations in the country), etc. Plus the city of Jacksonville, in total area (square miles), is the largest city in the country.
EDIT TO ADD: Taking your boat out on the water is still allowed in FL too, so a s**tload of people are DRIVING to the marina, and/or going to get their boat from storage, then DRIVING to the boat ramp to launch their boat into the water. Y’all don’t have a problem with this, do you? I mean the only people that will come close to you are the people who are in your vehicle, and going out in the boat with you.
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14 hours ago, notwoz said:
Your comment reminds me of the lyrics to the Grateful Dead's "Uncle John's Band."
"Cause when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
I hope you make it through unscathed. But you never know what's around the corner.
Great post. I’ve lived by the bolded words my whole life.
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2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:
Different crowd at the presser today. That's a lot of chest metals. I wonder if the press will behave?
CNN doesn't take this live anymore? Wow. Just reaffirms their total bias, and reaffirms them as an arm of the Democratic party. Do you think if Obama was in office, that they wouldn't be taking his pressers live? They are denying their viewers, albeit a small number, vital information.
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30 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Go to church.
Which church though? How about the High Church of the Painful Truth?
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47 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:
said it before...anybody quarantined at home with kids now aint making another....maybe a first one...
Is the lock to your bedroom door broken!? LOL
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10 hours ago, JohnC said:
Airbnb and the airlines are also dealing with mass cancelations where they don't have the cash to pay back the money advanced. The airlines should not be given any bailout money or loans unless they pay back the money advanced for reservations that were cancelled because of no fault from the customers.
I am just dumbfounded at how the airlines are not flush with cash. Before this pandemic hit, virtually every time I flew, I marveled/ranted at how jam packed full the flights were, and said to my wife many times, "if they're [the airlines] not rolling in cash at their corporate offices, something is really, really wrong." Airline costs was/is really the only service/good you buy where you have absolutely no idea what the "real" cost is. I have seen investigative news stories where they found out that 20 people on the same flight paid 20 different amounts to fly. WHAT are they doing with the money!? LOL
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Covid-19 discussion and humor thread [Was: CDC says don't touch your face to avoid Covid19...Vets to the rescue!
in Off the Wall Archives
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I've been watching the "models" very closely over the past month, and they continue to be wildly inaccurate (I've been checking the npr.org site daily). In fact, just a couple days ago, they were predicting that Florida's peak day would be on April 27, and just NOW I checked it, and the new date is May 6! So a jump of NINE days forward! WTH!? Also, still, as of today, no sick person in all of the USA has been denied a hospital bed or a ventilator (if needed).
As far as FL goes though, it would not surprise me if the total deaths jump to put the state in the number 3 position behind NY & Conn (the latter is what the models are saying right now), because well, we have a TON of OLD people living in this state...we might even be the state with the most "old people" in the USA.
But I guess we'll all see what happens. Y'all surely realize that there are plenty of states that have been affected by this in a very small way, and that they will be opening things up in May, right?