Nihilist25
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Actually, the Brady suspension is the most likely to be changed since the union will get involved there, whereas Kraft has little recourse given the owners' agreement with the NFL.
Kraft already stated NE isn't going to fight the team punishment.
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Also, seems like a big issue the NFL had with NE was that NE didn't cooperate with the investigation by making McNally available a second time. The Wells report stated again and again that NE didn't make McNally available a second time or even ask McNally. Maybe Wells and NE thought McNally would break during a second interview. Therefore, NE didn't make McNally available and the NFL punishes harder.
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Disappears I believe.
So just 31 picks in the first round 2016?
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So what happens with the picks NE loses?
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Yeah, the innocent players and employees should blame Tom and his crew and/or chalk it up to the risk they take when playing/working for a team like the Patriots.Didn't say it was unfair. Just that the players and employees who didn't have anything to do with Tommy's balls are going to be penalized and always branded as cheaters. Most fans here would say good, they're Cheatriots. But that's a lot of tar to spread on some who had no involvement.
As to Kraft making an example of Brady, it would be nice to see ("Hey, Tom, how about turning over that phone, even though you said no the first time") but he's never going to do it, with the whole circle-the-wagons vibe going on in Boston right now...
As for Kraft, he won't fire Brady although he could.
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Isn't Kraft still holding onto the theory the atmosphere caused deflation? Faced with investigation findings, even Biscotti accepted responsibility and embarrassment. Also, even though the report found no knowledge on the part of Kraft and Billichick, aren't they responsible for everything their organization does, especially when it's game related, regardless of their knowledge? If they're responsible, shouldn't they be embarrassed? How is a Brady suspension unfair to the Patriots in this situation? Also, if Brady was just a numbnut who tarnished the Patriots' reputation, shouldn't Kraft want to make an example of him?Low for me to be a devil's advocate...but if deflate-gate truely is all on Brady and neddledee and needledum, the Pats organization has been dealt a pretty severe blow by the actions of three employees.
Now, I can enjoy that fact just fine, thank you. But it makes me think how I'd feel if three numbnuts at my company did something to tarnish the efforts and public perception of every other employee like this. I think that's why Kraft is so embarased and I can see their point just a little...
If anything, a Brady suspension is light on a team whose members have been caught cheating before.
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Further, I find it kind of telling that Lee's first criticism is that the situation was a "sting operation" because the Patriots weren't notified of a complaint that they were deflating balls. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm3i1u. It's like saying a drug dealer is innocent because the police didn't notify him that they had recieved a tip that he was selling.
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Yes, and Bill Polian was on Mike and Mike saying that "more probable than not" is standard phrasing that the NFL uses in these reports in order to say that that standard has been met. In other words, "more probable than not" is there way of saying "guilty" based on their standard. It is not "dubious" wording in the way that Brady's agent, among others, has tried to characterize it.
Exactly. The standard used is explained in fn 1 on p. 1 of the report. The standard is common in civil litigation including employment law. You don't have to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt as with a crime in civil litigation because the stakes are lower (i.e., you don't take the risk of going to jail in civil litigation) and because it allows for greater efficiency. Applying a standard of beyond a reasonable doubt in civil litigation would be ridiculously ornerous on any employer making it impossible to fire dirtbags. The folks who wrote the report are experienced attorneys and are accustomed to the preponderance of the evidence standard which is taught to all first year law students.
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I'll bet there is someone in the office (PR) who keeps their eyes on fan boards, social media, etc.
I'd also be willing to be that whoever that is does not have a seat at the table when trades, draft pics, etc. are discussed.
I'll bet that whoever does read the fan boards reports to someone who does sit at the table. It would be ridiculous to think that a business wouldn't consider its consumer's reaction when making a change.
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Kiko was a risk. Not only weak knees, but off-field. I always thought the circumstances he provided regarding his most recent ACL injury were sketchy.
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SJ - not a good idea.
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He was bad last year. As he has been for every year except one. 2013 was an outliner.
So what's the reason for his success in 2013? Can it be repeated?
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If RI can keep his nose clean, mouth shut, and motor running - great. If not, cut him.
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I think the main goal is actually not going to be planning on J becoming great (quite unlikely) or find a QB in the draft (quite impossible with this class), or get a great FA o trade (also quite unlikely).
I suspect the QB plan is actually going to be to get a player like a Revis which allows the Bills QB strategy to be similar to the one used by the 2000 Ravens. Make your D so good you can get Ws with a failed former 1st rounder like Dilfer QBing your team.
Can EJ be great? Nope.
Can EJ be merely adequate with a superior D?
Yep!
I hope this isn't the plan.
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Sorry, man obviously you don't know much about the FA process. The money is fairly comparable everywhere and ultimately wins out. The tiebreakers come to quality of life. Is this somewhere where they want to work? Do they like the coaches? Scheme? Facility? Is this a good place for their family?
Winning is important to FAs. I agree facilities are important. Who wants to work in a dump? Mostly, it's about respect which is reinforced by various factors already mentioned.
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This tweet by Jay Skurski says:
Rex Ryan, briefly introducing his coordinators, jokes "I'm lucky my owner has deep pockets."
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When coaches decide on taking a job, wouldn't the wealth (compared to other owners) be a very major factor?
I would think that the wealth of the owner is probably more important for front office/coaches types rather than for players (unless it's a contract in the upper tiers perhaps).
Just another +1 for Pegula...
IMO yes, wisely spending money on coaches, facilities, etc can attract player talent at lower salary amounts. Also, winning.
I'm happy to see lots of splashes this year and last as previously we could count on about one big splash per season. Hope to see more during FA.
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1. Did you click on the link which includes a verbatim copy of the NFL's statement?King isn't an NFL official and his opinion is no more absolute than any number of others who say that NFL officials simply give the balls a "squeeze" test.
Why would they if they don't have intentions of cheating?
2. Because after their special treatment of their footballs the Patriots were obligated to ensure their footballs would still be in compliance with the rules during the game.
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Nope. My points indicate that if they didn't do certain things ahead of time they should have.Both of your points are presuming they did do something ahead of time. That's the entire problem in debating this topic. Many people are working from a presumed state of guilt mindset. The league has never stated that the Pats are guilty of anything.
You may well be wrong in your presumptions.
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I may have missed it when I read it but I recall the league being very vague on the particulars of the PSI component of the official's part in OK'ing the balls.
First King posted something which led to questions. Then the NFL issued something more definitive (can't find the link on NFL.com anymore) which is copied at this URL:
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Assuming they didn't already know and weren't gaming the system (which they probably were), the Patriots should have known because they should have done the tests earlier considering the NFL doesn't/can't/shouldn't account for the peculiar rubbing techniques of each team and its effects on football PSI. The Patriots assume that obligation when they rub their footballs.Ummmm, the game happened BEFORE Belichick did the tests he just explained today.
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People are assuming the refs measured and altered the PSI (to Pats requested 12.5 PSI) after being handed the balls by the Pats. That part is yet unknown and was actually referenced by BB in this presser when he said "You will have to ask the league as to what they did or DID NOT DO" in response to a question about if the officials measured the pressure with accurate gauges before signing off.
That's what I was wondering yesterday. Then the NFL released a statement indicating that before this game the balls were inflated to 12.5-13.5.
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Per BB, Patriot's recreation found:
1. Pre-cert Patriot ball rubbing raised ball PSI by 1 PSI. I have no idea how rubbing could cause PSI to rise. Do they put the footballs in a clothes dryer?
2. Balls filled to 12.5 and moved outside lost 1.0-1.5 PSI due to atmosphere.
Per the NFL's story the, balls were filled to 12.5 PSI during cert. Also, see King video.
BB didn't put 2+2 together for us. I think he wants us to believe that the balls had an additional excited PSI when handed to the refs. The refs filled the balls to 12.5. He wants us to allow that the balls could have settled at 11.5 after cert regardless of atmosphere. Additionally, lower outside temperature caused 1.0-1.5 loss of PSI. That's a loss of 2.0-2.5 PSI total.
Also,he wants us to think that this is all the NFL's fault (or at least out of the Patriots hands) for not considering atmosphere and settling. He's worried about pre-SB sanctions and wanted to get his shot in before the NFL does and without giving the media, the NFL, and other parties much time to prepare. That's why he had the conference today with one hour notice.
If true about PSI loss due to rubbing and atmosphere, the Patriots knew or should have known that their footballs would have low PSI during play. They should have determined what would happen to PSI due to their proprietary rubbing process. They knew or should have known the refs cert process as there was at least a video on it dated as recently as 2013. Additionally, the Patriots acknowledged they requested the refs inflate to 12.5 PSI.
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Per BB, Patriot's recreation found:
1. Pre-cert Patriot ball rubbing raised ball PSI by 1 PSI. I have no idea how rubbing could cause PSI to rise. Do they put the footballs in a clothes dryer?
2. Balls filled to 12.5 and moved outside lost 1.0-1.5 PSI due to atmosphere.
Per the NFL's story the, balls were filled to 12.5 PSI during cert. Also, see King video.
BB didn't put 2+2 together for us. I think he wants us to believe that the balls had an additional excited PSI when handed to the refs. The refs filled the balls to 12.5. He wants us to allow that the balls could have settled at 11.5 after cert regardless of atmosphere. Additionally, lower outside temperature caused 1.0-1.5 loss of PSI. That's a loss of 2.0-2.5 PSI total.
Also,he wants us to think that this is all the NFL's fault (or at least out of the Patriots hands) for not considering atmosphere and settling. He's worried about pre-SB sanctions and wanted to get his shot in before the NFL does and without giving the media, the NFL, and other parties much time to prepare. That's why he had the conference today with one hour notice.
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