MrLocke
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Couple of things...there are quite a few seasons in that list where Indy had a top 12 D, more than enough to matter.
If you want to weigh defenses, you also have to way offensive efficiency hurting their defensive stats. Indy/Den scores so often and so fast, that by default their defense will be on the field a lot. And thats how stats easily have totals increased. Their defense wasn't always as bad as the stats suggested. And in many of the games where Indy was eliminated via upset, their Defense played good enough to win and it was the offense that sputtered.
So, I hear this defense argument all the time when these two are compared, but for me its not a valid one for two key reasons...
1. This is about Brady vs Manning...not Pats vs. Indy. Head to head, Brady has owned Manning with a 2-1 win ratio.
2. Brady and Manning play on offense...Brady has accomplished an amazing resume offensively despite having inferior talent to Manning.
3. Brady has a much better playoff resume, and not just in wins and losses, but in actual QB play.
4. The defensive gap isn't as big as that stats suggest to me. Indy scored so fast and frequently, that their stats suffer, but he still had some all time greats on his defense over the years. And, Manning has only one SB win against Rex Grossman, yet he had a top 12 defense 5 times. With the offenses he had, any top 15 defense should be more than sufficient to win the SB.
5. Brady is two fluke plays away from 5 SB rings and 4 SB MVPs. Nothing against the Giants, but it took 2 nearly impossible plays to beat the Pats those 2 years. Manning has not been good in 2 out of his 3 SB's and had many other flops, one and dones, etc for a player of his legacy and caliber.
Manning is one of the greatest ever, no doubt...but give me Brady or Warner over him in the playoffs any day of the week.
Sorry if my earlier post was misleading. I think were saying the same thing, though. I'm trying to say Indy's defenses weren't as bad as people seem to think because of the reasons I mentioned.
Playing on carpet hurt Indy's defense.
Playing indoor's hurt Indy's defense.
Not playing a ball control offense hurts Indy's defense.
One of the biggest myths that Manning apologists like to push is that he didn't have a defense when this is not the case. He played with Freeney, Mathis and Bob Sanders all guys who are difference makers. Sanders was a dpoy. Mathis and Freeney are both in the 100 sack club.
I take Brady any day of the week! Given that the stats are even close is a miracle if you ask me. Manning had the better skill position players, he's the least sacked qb of all time and had the advantage of playing indoors. We all know about his struggles outdoors. He has to play outdoors a lot more if he's in New England.
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I don't know he struck out twice with Losman and Bledsoe. Maybe he gets it right with the qb eventually. Also his winning% was below 40. You have to work at it pretty hard to be that bad.
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What people seem to forget about Indy's defense is that they played indoors and on carpet two disadvantages to defenses. Also the Colts never played ball control type offense something else that helps the defense.
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Anyone complaining about the officiating hasn't seen Denver play the last couple of seasons. There games make WWE look respectable. There receivers get away with offensive pass interference just about every pass play. Then there was this play against SD. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/10/broncos-chargers-fumble-replay-mike-carey-overturn-thursday-night
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I remember thinking he was a pretty safe pick based on how good his brother is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Kalil.
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I wonder if the crew from yesterday has done any Denver games. If that was offensive pass interference against Watkins I don't know what I would call what Denver's receivers get away with. It kills me because San Diego and NE got called for pick plays against Denver in the playoffs last year, but I don't recall any against Dnver.
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People have been talking about stopping the run! I agree 100%. Time for Kyle (If he plays) and Dareus to earn their money. This game still gives me bad memories: http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=320930002
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Plays like this are why Brady will always be superior to Manning imo: http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/raiders-rogers-goes-easy-brady-blocker . Manning has always been too much of coward to do stuff like this. I still remember that game in Atlanta during his 1st season with Denver when he slid in the pocket.
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.. We'd be 0-5 in the Super Bowl.
Love it! Can't count on Peyton when the chips are down! How many other qbs have played with 2 players from this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_players_with_100_career_sacks ?
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Good Luck! I love Boston Pizza! If I didn`t live so far away I would check out the BP in St. Catherines.
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LOL.
GM = Tom Donahoe, Stew Barber, Terry Bledsoe
HC = Bullough
OC = Turk Schonert, Dan Henning
DC = Wannstedt
STs = Crossman, Rusty Jones
Offense:
WR1 = Hogan, Avion Black, James Hardy, Jeremy McDaniel, Bernard Ford
WR2 = Roosevelt, A. Brown, Haddad, Aiken, J. Armor, Da'Rick Rogers, Kamil Loud, Kwame Cavil
LG= Jasper
QB = Edwards, Tuel, Gary Marangi, Gilbert, Brohm, Hamdan, Van Pelt, Travis Brown
RB = Joique Bell, J Burns, Linton, Grey, Darrick Holmes, L. Gates, Xavier Omon, Bender, Jourdain, N. Turner, K. Simonton
FB = Mike Viti
RG = Mike Pucillo, Ed Wang
LT = Mike Williams, Mo Elewonibi, Jerry Crafts
RT = Langston Walker
TE = Schouman, Stupar
Defense:
WLB = Ellison
LB = Brownlow
SLB = Tank Carder
OLB = Corey Moore
LB/DE = Shawne Merriman
RDE = Erik Flowers
LDE = Maybin
S = Rashad Baker, Wendling
CB = Lankster, J. Burris, Youboty
DT = Leif Larsen, J. Bannon, John McCan'tgo, Troup
K = Kirk Roach
P = Rick Tuten (for lack of a better one)
KR = "punt catcher" Watson, Jonathan "Fast Freddy" Smith, Jimmy "the jet" Cunningham
Yes, the scouting dept. has a keen eye for talent at that position...apparently
LOL. I sometimes think where would the Bills be if they didn`t put so many of their assets into rbs and cbs. Did Shawn Bryson ever tear it up in the pre season.
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Seems like a lot of rbs. I can`t believe Ken Simonton was left off the list.
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Another Canadian here and I hate the idea of the Bills in Toronto!
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I was about to say Tasker. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Bills have Jerry Glanville to thank for that. What an idiot!
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This one really bothers me: http://www.pro-footb...00012030buf.htm . I think I remember Wade giving a pathetic interview at the half using injuries as an excuse. Injuries are never an excuse. They happen to every team. Showed me he didn't have the attitude to be a HC. Would you ever see Parcells blaming injuries. Oh yeah getting picked apart by Jay Fiedler drove me nuts too. What a pathetic excuse he was for an NFL QB.
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Not going to lie. IU hated the pick at the time.I don't think he's quick enough. I see Chadler Jones, Cameron Wake and Muhammed Wilkerson dominating him. They will be to athletic for him. I hope I'm wrong, but I think this guy makes Mike Williams look highly athletics. Williams did 29 reps of 225 to Koundjioa's 21. Mike Williams was 5.3 in the forty and Kounandjyio was 5.6 I hope he truns out to be a good player, but when you're not as athletic As Mike Willimas it's not a good sign.
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He never had to throw more then that and more importantly didn't care.
When you have back like Emmitt Smith you feed him the ball!
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I think this whole ss/fs difference can be thrown out the window. Used to be the strong safety was your guy who was tough against the run so-so in covergae. The FS was the center fielder great in coverage so-so against the run. The way offenses can use motion now safeties really have to be able to do both. I remember when safeties were an after thought. In today's NFL they are quite valuable!
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Oh yeah! I forgot too that Rob Johnson looked like a decent qb if you went by QB rating. Career QB rating of 83.6 85.5 while in Buffalo. Troy Aikman wqas 81.6 for his career.
Troy Aikman is a great example of why I don't think stats tell the full story of how good a qb is. He never threw for more than 23 td passes in a season, but I don't know anyone who would say he's not great.
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Just curious as to how valuable people consider QB ratings to be? I got into a debate about quarterbacks with a Giants fan once. He basically said it's a sucker bet. He used Eli as an example. Had a rating of of 69.4 last season, but is considered a good qb.
I also know about the obvious flaw where QBs have an incentive to take sacks as opposed to throwing the ball away. A sack doesn't hurt the rating, but an incomplete pass would. An incomplete pass doesn't move the team back whereas a sack does.
Anyway just looking for some insight. Thanks.
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Yes! forgot about Foles! Actually had a higher qb rating than Manning last season, nut I have to agree with the people who say Aaron Rodgers! Football I always believed is more about avoiding negative plays than it is making big ones. Rodgers are at the top of one statistic I don't think gets talked about enough: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm
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After rookie signings, we'll only have $3-4 mil left in cap room. So if we do pick up any new bodies, they will need to be cheap cheap cheap.
Do all players count against salary cap right now? I thought it was only your top 55 or somewhere around there. Either way once the season starts the roster size will go down quite abit.
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Buffalo Bills Jamie Nails or Miami Dolphins Jamie Nails? I believe he had a decent season or two in Miami.
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One game doesn't bother me and he's a 5th round G. What are you expecting? Who's general rule? Yours?
How about former GMs rule. That's what Casserly and Ted Sundquist say when I've seen them on NFLN. Not sure who I would have picked here McCarron maybe. I already said i would take Jace Amaro with the 2nd round pick and Tre Mason with the third.
Stopping Manning - STL Blueprint UPDATED w/JW's All-22 Review
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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The key has always been to pressure him up the middle. At least that is what coaches who have had success against him say. Such as Romeo Crennel and Ron Rivera.