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10 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

I think that Josh Allen can certainly be a successful NFL QB, perhaps even a QB who leads the Bills to one or more Super Bowls.  I simply don't think he's as talented as Lamar who is a very special talent.  That's not a knock on Allen, it's just a recognition of how good Jackson is.

I agree 100% No one is knocking Allen, he had a bad game, every single QB in NFL history has had several bad games over their career, it's nothing to take personal or as a slight when that bad game is acknowledged, but fans of every team goes overboard on the reactions. Allen is a 2nd year QB on a team definitely going to the playoffs and a great team record, that's a pretty bright future no matter how you look at it, especially with that smoking Defense them boys are BEASTS! That game actually made me apprecieate Lamar Jackson even more, cause that's as good as it gets on Defense and he did exceptionally well considering he is a 22 year old in his first full season as starter. it was a great fukn game minus the piss poor officiating and I would LOVE a rematch in the playoffs.

10 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

I was simply pointing out that many Bills fans are using a double standard when predicting the futures of both Jackson and Allen.   Except for yards, Jackson has significantly  better passing stats than Allen, yet Bills fans keep touting Allen as a future franchise QB while claiming that Jackson is only a mediocre passer despite his having a QB rating of 109.2 over 13 games while Allen's QB rating is 85.8 over that same number of games.   The only regular starting QBs with better QB ratings than Jackson are Ryan Tannehill, Kirk Cousins, and Drew Brees plus rookie Drew Lock who has had only 3 starts.  Jackson's 7.7 yards per attempt puts him ahead of future HOF QBs Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, and is within the usual YPA expected of top passers (8.5-7.5 ypa).  I think Jackson is much more than a mediocre passer at this point in his career, and probably has a much higher ceiling than any of his critics think.  

 

OTOH Allen has very statistically mediocre passing stats, although that doesn't mean that he's doomed.  He started far behind the other QBs in his draft class because he suffered from poor coaching in college, and the Bills didn't help him much as a rookie by not providing him with a competent, experienced QB coach or an NFL caliber OL and receiving corps last season. His improvement since last season has been spectacular, and he's continued to improve throughout this season, especially when it comes to his decision making.  I think Allen still has a lot of untapped potential that the Bills can help him realize by providing him with upgrades to the OL, RBs, and receivers (both WRs and TEs).  Allen really needs a big, fast sure-handed receiver as well as more commitment by the OC to the running game (which means that the Bills NEED better RBs than Gore and Yeldon).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Ravens film study: After a limited ground game vs. Bills, linemen have good reason to be upset with officiating

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-bills-film-study-20191211-vvencm6xujfn3nrm6ftrkjvs6e-story.html

 

The Ravens offense opened Sunday’s game against the Buffalo Bills with a 3-yard carry up the gut by running back Mark Ingram II, an unmemorable play in an unmemorable day for the team’s top-ranked ground game.

In the aftermath of the Ravens’ 24-17 win at New Era Field, their ninth straight overall and a playoff berth-clinching result, the run mattered less than cornerback Marcus Peters’ decisive fourth-quarter deflection or any of the defense’s six sacks or tight end Hayden Hurst’s 61-yard catch-and-run score. But the play did serve in part to explain the Ravens’ ground-game struggles.

In one short-lived inside rush, there was a missed opportunity out wide, solid execution by the Bills and a noncall along the offensive line. It’s not fair to say that, in holding quarterback Lamar Jackson and the Ravens to a season-low 118 yards on 3.6 yards per carry, Buffalo solved the Ravens’ rushing attack. With Jackson’s rushing threat, the Ravens, more often than not, will always have a numerical advantage at the line of scrimmage.

 

But the offense can and should grow from a day in which it finished with as many rushing first downs (six) as three-and-outs. The Ravens will need Jackson and offensive coordinator Greg Roman to make wiser in-game decisions. They’ll need to figure out countermeasures against defenses as consistent as the Bills and San Francisco 49ers. Maybe most importantly, they’ll need officials to learn from previous mistakes

 

Cry us a river part two   

you seem oddly obsessed with the Baltimore Ravens,  a team not in your division, a team that soundly beat you in your house like it was nothing, and your are reading Baltimore newspapers just to get your own personal bulletin board material. The Ravens beat up the bills, not because the bills are a terrible team, but because the Ravens are a superior team on all facets. Maybe cry about that.?

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7 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

You "still don't get it" because you refuse to even try ... or you live under a rock and only come out to watch the Bills play so you are totally ignorant of what's going on in the rest of the NFL.   Denying that Lamar Jackson is a great player and that the Baltimore Ravens are among the very best teams in the NFL isn't going to make Josh Allen and the Bills better.

 

FYI, since week 4, the Ravens haven't lost a game and won 9 straight games, including wins over the 8-5 Steelers, 10-3 Seahawks,  1.20-3 Patriots,  8-5 Texans,  8-5 Rams, 11-2 Niners, and 9-4 Bills  -- seven teams with winning records, six of which are currently in playoff slots.  Jackson has been instrumental in all those wins, some of which were major blowouts of their opponents.  

 

FTR, Jackson is a better QB than Allen.  Jackson's passing stats are significantly better than Allen's:   66.3% completions, 28 passing TDs, 6 INTs,  2677 yards, 109.2 passer rating versus 59.8% completions, 17 passing TDs, 8 INTs, 2737 yards, 85.8 passer rating.  Jackson has rushed for 1017 yards. 6.7 AVG,  and 7 TDs -- good for 9th most rushing yards -- while Allen has rushed for 439 yards, 4.6 AVG, and 8 TDs.

 

If you can't appreciate the special talent that great young QBs like Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson bring to the game, then you aren't a football fan.  You're simply a jealous Bills fan who has to tear down other players to pretend that the Bills lesser talents are "just as good".

Very well said and 100% accurate!

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7 hours ago, PolishDave said:

 

Agreed.    If his legs fail him in a few years, his arm and pocket passing ability likely won't save his career.   My spidey senses tell me he will likely be a backup somewhere 5 years from now.  

interestingly enough I think Josh Allen will be a STAR..............in the XFL as running back because he is terrible playing the QB position.

22 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

with the help of the refs not calling 12 men in the huddle 

 

say what you will. That non call backs up the Ravens and could have kept them from scoring a TD.   
 

 

yeah that wasn't half as bad as the gifted 50 yards or so the refs gave the bills on that final drive but feel free to console yourself with wishful thinking if it helps you sleep better at night. 

7 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

This is the same thing some savants said about Russell Wilson back in 2012 and 2013.

 

More importantly, Jackson is already a significantly better passing QB than Josh Allen, so if Jackson's doomed to be a backup if he can't run where does that leave Allen whether he can run or not?

good point. I think the Difference between the two if you look at their track records, Lamar put up big numbers in college against top competition while Josh Allen played practically low level competition. Also Lamar played in a pro style offense in college which has clearly helped his learning curve in the NFL.

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1 hour ago, Rob's House said:

 

That's what I was thinking. Yeah, the guy's having a good year, but I don't get why so many Bills fans are popping wood over the guy on the other team.

Maybe because they appreciate greatness. you know, like football fans tend to do. The question is why so many other Bills fans are so butthurt about it, it was ONE game against a Superior opponent, not the end of the world unless the Bills get punked by the steelers which is highly likely to happen cause Josh Allen is average at best against real teams.