50yrpatsfan
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To respond to a few points in this thread:
- there's no NE fan or player that's happy Allen got a concussion on the play. No player was trying to take him out of the game
- Jones didn't launch himself or lead with the crown of his helmet. He actually ended up getting hit on the side of his helmet by the crown of Allen's. He was trying to knock him down with his shoulder and arm mainly, with incidental helmet contact
- from the far side video angle it looks like Allen tried to mow down Jones by changing his direction to the left, but when you look at all angles it appears his body direction changed at the last moment due to the contact from Harmon which was partly from the side. Without that change of direction there may have been no helmet to helmet contact.
- Jones had no time to evaluate Harmon's tackle, it happened simultaneously. Harmon did get his arms around the waist prior to Jones, but he didn't start to take him down or slow him up until the moment of the contact with Jones. Jones was trying to stop a big first down, Allen ended up gaining 7 on a 3rd & 8.
- It's useless to compare this to Brady, cause Brady would never be in this situation of trying to split two defenders to gain several more yards. He would have slid or gone straight down if it were too late to slide, then deal with the rest on 4th down. Allen could have gone to the ground before the Jones contact, but he wanted that 1st down.
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1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:
What is reveals is your arrogance coming to a competitors board attempting to prove that your teams player is completely innocent and
that our young QB got what he deserved.
I do want to thank you for your "girlfriend" quote. Was she after your "Canadian girlfriend" you had in 7th grade.
Not arrogant, just the truth. I like Allen and hope he does well, but it's obvious he's trying to get every yard when running, and QB's can't do that in this league. I don't root against him or the Bills.
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He's ticked off about losing Antonio Bryant, in combination with Gronk retiring, Edelman hurt, no other good depth, and his OL messed up. When he faces a quality D like Buffalo's, he knows he's in for a major struggle moving the ball. This game was a low point, and he's not enjoying it. Kudos to the Bills defense, that inside LB you have there is a beast.
Patriots absolutely sucked in all phases of the offense, including Brady's own decision making and execution, he was mediocre at best. Not sure I'd attribute it to age cause I've seen this in the past too at times.
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18 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
So let me see if I get this right.
You woke up this morning and while having your cup of coffee you decided to find a Buffalo Bills message board and create an account
to give us your bits of wisdom.
What did you think you would accomplish? Bills fans would hear your unique perspective and change their minds?
I don't buy a bit of it. I'm sure you cheered while Allen was laying on the field. I think you are only here to rub salt in the wound.
no no and no. I had an account here from years ago but it must've been deleted due to inactivity. I visit your site all the time, generally like the Bills fans perspectives on things. Like the city, once had a girlfriend from there.
Did not like seeing Allen suffer a head injury at all, but in this case Jones was innocent. I initially thought otherwise, but can't argue with that 2nd video from the opposite side, evidence is plain as day. What it revealed more than anything is that Josh Allen has a runner's mentality that's going to be hard for Bills coaches to shake him of. He barreled though Jones trying to get the 1st down, lowering his helmet in the process.
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6 minutes ago, Stranded in Boston said:
Total fantasy. There is a still picture showing Allen's image clear (i.e., stationary) just at the point of contact, with Jones' blurred imaged entering from the side. This is simple physics, dude. Jones' image is blurred because he is in motion, launching himself into the side of Allen's helmet. Jones then stood over an injured player celebrating like a moron while other players are frantically waving for a trainer; that alone should have merited an ejection. But like I said, let's hear your opinion when this happens to #12 ... It's coming.
it's this video, about 3 seconds in. Tell me how Allen isn't completely responsible for this collision.
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1 minute ago, Stranded in Boston said:
Jones launched himself at Allen's head, period; the rest is your dithering fantasy. Jones then stood there pounding his chest and celebrating over an injured player; f'ing revolting.
I've lived in Boston for 34 years, and I know the timbre of Pats fans very well. Had Brady received the same hit with no ejection, you'd be absolutely losing your s*** right now ... But here's a problem you should consider: if the players feels that the refs and league will not protect their QB, then this may lead to retaliateionagainst the other team's QB, as in baseball beanings. And frankly it might be hard to discourage in the case of Bills-Pats, because the Pats have gotten away with some really dirty play against the Bills in recent years (a *one-game* suspension for Gronk's elbow drop on Tre White's neck? Seriously??). Do you want a similar dirty hit, potentially career-ending, against your 42-year old QB? I'm not condoning it, but it is going to happen. So stop excusing dirty play; it's going to end badly.
watch the video at the point of contact. It's the crown of Allen's helmet striking the side of Jones'. Clear as day.
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Just now, row_33 said:
every morning a DB wakes up with the prayer that he gets to put a hit like this on a QB or skill player
Allen sure made it easy for him
Jones is 180 lbs soaking wet, not a physical player. I don't think he really knew what to do with a 6'5 235lb beast like Allen coming at him hell bent on getting a 1st down. He looked a little tentative and confused about how to bring him down. Next time he'll go low for sure, cause he took a serious blow to the side of his head and I don't know how he wasn't injured too.
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7 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:
Did you see the other defender on Josh Allen's back? Josh was in process of going down, Jones' dirty and illegal hit was completely unnecessary.
I hope someone drills Brady in the head.
watch the video again and you'll see that the other tackler hadn't yet started pulling him down, Allen was still in control of his own momentum and turned slightly left to take on Jones
Just now, TigerJ said:Completely disagree with this take. Players facing impeding contact with the head do tend to lean their head forward. I think this is instinct to protect their face. If he doesn't angle his head forward, impact from the hit would cause his head to snap back. That could conceivably cause a neck fracture and a spinal cord injury, and that would be even worse. The position of Allen's head did not lower enough to have caused the helmet to helmet contact. At most it only changed slightly the part of Allen's helmet that he contacted. By the way, I didn't know you posted here Mr. Riveron.
Allen could have gone down to the ground and avoided Jones completely, but then he wouldn't have reached the 1st down yardage. He chose to take on Jones, and lowering his helmet like he did was an aggressive act to run over and through Jones to get the 1st down.
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48 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:
This is the first time I’ve seen this angle of the hit.
I still see him dropping his helmet slightly, but you can also see Allen drop his head slightly too.
I don't see how anyone can watch this and think that Jones was at fault in any way.
Allen clearly causes this helmet to helmet, it's the crown of HIS helmet striking the side of Jones'. That's how they evaluate who's at fault. He should be the one fined.
I'm sure if Jones had to do it over again, he'd go low, then you could be looking at a knee injury. He had to make a play, a 1st down was at stake.
The problem is Josh Allen thinking he's an indestructible running back cause of his physical advantages.
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Just now, Happy Gilmore said:
No it doesn't. Jonathan Jones did not need to make contact with Allen. The angle looking at Allen shows just how much time and room Jones had to avoid a collision.
Jones' cheap shot was on purpose and at the least wanted to send a message to Josh, but was more likely to try and hurt him.
He had to make contact with him to stop him from getting a 1st down. It was a 3rd down play and you had a 235lb RB barreling toward the yard marker.
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Just now, Aireskoi said:
He was being tackled, I'm pretty sure he wasn't targeting the defender. ?
I see Allen slightly change the direction of his body to the left to directly take on Jones, and lower his helmet. He could've nose dived or veered right. Jones wasn't looking for the helmet to helmet contact, he was bracing himself at the last second. The other tackler was irrelevant, he hadn't yet slowed down Allen.
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32 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:
This is the first time I’ve seen this angle of the hit.
I still see him dropping his helmet slightly, but you can also see Allen drop his head slightly too.
This video angle completely exonerates Jones, and shows Allen to be a little too aggressive for his own good. There will be no fine, and there should not have been a penalty either.
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3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:
So... was I wrong about the Tin Foil Hat reference? ? ? ?
Angle 1. It looks Targeted
Angle 2. It looks like Josh Lowered his head and the 2 helmets met.
Yes.
I'd take it even further, that this was mostly Allen's doing. He had numerous chances to go down before this collision, but decided to go all Earl Campbell to get the first down.
The Bills have their hands full trying to corral this guy, or he's gonna get hurt a lot.
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1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said:
This is the first time I’ve seen this angle of the hit.
I still see him dropping his helmet slightly, but you can also see Allen drop his head slightly too.
Allen not only drops his head but angles his body toward Jones, taking him on directly. The crown of his helmet strikes the side of Jones'.
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12 minutes ago, SwampD said:
Good lord. Jones is looking right at him and targets his head. He knew exactly what he was doing. Typical Patriot ballwashing.
Watch the video objectively, like it was 2 other teams playing.
Allen aims toward Jones and lowers his head. Jones braces for a hit. The crown of Allen's helmet strikes the side of Jones' helmet.
It's very clear. https://t.co/0rc5YkIDs1
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Pats fan here. When I saw it on live TV and on replays, I thought the hit was questionable. But I think this angle from the opposite side will change your minds completely:
Allen actually is the one who turns toward Jones and lowers his head. It's surprising that Allen was the one injured and not Jones. There shouldn't even have been a penalty, let alone an ejection.
Jones gives away 50 lbs to Allen. Allen didn't slide and was truly a RB at that point. It was 3rd down, and Allen was going to fall forward for a 1st down if Jones didn't engage him. The other tackler Harmon hadn't really started to bring him down at the moment Allen & Jones collided.
Nobody wanted to see the QB hurt, but Jones did nothing wrong here.
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Tom Brady explains why the flight home from Buffalo 'sucked' after the Patriots' win over Bills
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by 50yrpatsfan
I wouldn't get your hopes up, he can still throw very well. His weapons and OL are banged up/not available. He wasn't really missing guys that were open.
That said, the things I didn't like as a Pats fan were:
- that INT was inexcusable, a veteran qb has to see that other db lurking there, not to mention that he had Gordon open in the other corner before he decided to roll out
- the bad clock management at the end of the half and game.
The Bills D is very good both physically and game planning, so that also had a lot to do with it. Brady's also more willing to take a 3 and out with his defense playing so well. He threw the ball away like 10 times once he saw a play wasn't developing well.