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I just want there to be fewer penalties overall. Nobody tunes in to watch referees throw flags.
Penalties have become such a big part of the game that I can't even get excited in real time because I'm waiting to see if there was a flag. Big QB sack (I hope they didn't touch his helmet or hit him low). Punt return (probably a holding flag somewhere). Big pass breakup (probably defensive PI). It's frustrating.
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If they were to adopt the college format starting position would probably need to be moved back to like the 40 yard line. Field goals in college are much more of a crap shoot than in the NFL. I think the NFL is mostly concerned about game length and that's why they reduced overtime to 10 minutes.
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This is already being spun by NFL reporters like Rappaport as a small issue. I don't think there is a high likelihood of anything significant coming from this. It sucks, but I think that's where it's heading.
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6 minutes ago, stevewin said:
I was actually going to mention Edwards by name ? I truly have always though you could plug in any number of QBs in the same situation with the same results - although who knows if every one would have sold their soul to do it. The way the whole Brady GOAT thing gets casually tossed around now drives me crazy
Maybe someone like say, Matt Cassel
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4 minutes ago, Say When... said:
it certainly was, ever see the first BB a football life? there's a fluid segment where Brady is snapping the ball while BB is yelling "Pass, Pass" into the mic.
and we're confident we'll win walking into Gillette, i shudder to think of all the advantages they've setup over the years, Mics in locker rooms, the big screens positioned behind the visitors, cameras focused areas of the field and while the NFL is responsible for comms don't think for one moment the Pats*** don't have their own system installed, piping wifi to tablets, etc.
not sure i'd be more pissed or interested if the full truth ever came out on just how far they've gone, i'm sure there's some ingenious tactics at play, stuff you'd never think of and how much it it all actually cost, equipment, resources, time, hush $$, etc. that's definitely a book i would read.
Peyton Manning believed the visitor's locker room was bugged and would not have conversations about the gameplan in the locker room. I think it was in the Spygate book.
I wouldn't doubt that they've come up with all sorts of ways to cheat over the years. If they cheated their way to their initial success and all they lost was a draft pick and some money, why would they stop? They would just come up with better ways to accomplish their goal.
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Just now, arcane said:
Because the investigation is still ongoing. They'll release it if something shady happens.
Maybe. The NFL may be threatening them with some sort of penalty if they do release it. Maybe they could release it unofficially through an anonymous leak.
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2 minutes ago, Say When... said:
this.
in my job i bring in contingent workforce to manage the ebbs and flow of our business, during a recent merger i had 350 contractors working under the direction of my management team, not for one minute is my company (or even me/my management team) indemnified of any negative acts or wrongdoing of those resources internally or externally, we are held responsible. Sure they are easier to offload than an FTE (Full Time Employee) as it's a contract and that's why we operate "bubble staff" in these cases.
Their work is directly managed and compensated by the company they are contracted to, they are tied in ethical conduct, or lack thereof.
This is my experience with contractors as well. The only way it would be different is if they were part of an NFL Films work crew or some other 3rd party.
It's a good story, but it doesn't absolve them of any responsibility.
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38 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:
People calling for Belicheck to be banned are not going to get their wish. If the NFL took such a severe step and banned a coach that had 6 super bowls over two decades, would be a huge black eye to the league and undermine the confidence the public has in the league, the commissioner and the idea of games being fixed. It would wipe out nearly a 20 year period of dominance by one team, an entire generation of football fans will have felt cheated for 20 years. The NFL would never fully recover
Imagine the implications that Vegas has? Or other owners?
If this turns out to be spygate 2.0 (and im not sure it will) expect a suspension at most for Belicheck. Heavy fines, loss of draft picks ect.
Vacating wins? This isnt college football. Bans? Extremely unlikey.
I made a similar point earlier in the thread. The NFL just can't afford to let the details get out. It would be the worst scandal in sports history and potentially ruin the NFL.
I could see a superficial punishment of fines, draft picks, etc, but not likely to see anything beyond that publicly. Maybe Belichick will surprisingly retire after the season with a wink and a nod.
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7 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:
If you are Terry Pegula though, are you willing to just sit there and take it (again)? The cheating likely cost the Bills the Division and home playoff game(s), revenue, a better shot at the Superbowl, etc.
I like to think you're right, but the owners have to think about value of their teams and the league overall.
If the Patriots are found to have been cheating for the duration of their dynasty, the public may lose faith in the sport overall and stop watching in significant numbers. This would cost every owner a lot of money. Is it better for the survival of the league to just sweep it under the rug? That's what happened with the original spygate.
Personally, I want to see them punished to the fullest extent. As a fan of the Bills I'm probably a bit biased, but I would lose more faith if they just ignore this.
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17 minutes ago, major said:
I think goodell and the league knows that if this comes out, it’s steroids/baseball type of scandal that will take years to repair. Instead, they cover it up (much like they did with concussions). It will come out though- see Astros
This is how I see it as well. I just don't think it's likely the NFL will ever let us know the details of the Patriots cheating ways. They may claim this was a one time error, worthy of punishment, and try to handle it behind the scenes.
If it came to light that the Patriots had been cheating consistently for 15-20 years, while winning 6 superbowls and becoming essentially the face of the NFL, it would do too much damage. It would be the biggest scandal in sports history.
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43 minutes ago, stevewin said:
There is zero - ZERO - chance Brady hasn't had knowledge of, and been complicit with, all the cheating over the past 20 years. He freaking learned how to play QB by never having his helmet radio turned off on the field for God's sake
I don't disagree with you. I was just trying to make the point that players don't necessarily have to be aware of the pats cheating. I think it's likely Brady knows at least something is going on. Could be the reason he is willing to take less money than he could probably get on the open market.
What the Patriots have done is just not statistically possible. Teams with little top talent, like many of the Pats teams over the years, don't win 12 or 13 games a year and go to the superbowl.
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56 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:
I’ve said before and I’ll say again: After the right people die, the world will learn so much more about the depth and breadth of New Englands’s cheating.I've thought this myself. Hope it comes out sooner than that. The Patriots probably make every player/employee sign a ridiculous NDA along with their contract.
Really, the players wouldn't even need to know cheating was happening. Even Brady. To him, it may seem like the coaches are geniuses because of how quickly they can diagnose defenses and get him in the right play. I think it was Bruschi who said they would receive the other teams audibles prior to the game. The players don't know where they come from or the details of how they are obtained, they just do what they're told.
To me, this is all on Belichick, Kraft, and probably some other coaches like Adams and McDaniels. If all these accusations can be proven true they should be banned from the NFL and Kraft should either have to sell the team or become minority owner or something.
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Just now, Augie said:
I think I read upthread the league has a copy, and the Bengals have the original. It might be the only smart thing the Bengals have done in the last decade! LOL
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2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
https://www.patriots.com/video/do-your-job-equipment-staff
how many in the series really give the opportunity though?
Valid point.
This behavior aligns perfectly with the 2015 article describing how they would develop cover stories for their videotaping though. I have no evidence but they could have created other cover stories for other teams. Maybe they only do this for teams with new coaching staffs?
I have no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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1 minute ago, NoSaint said:
it’s still a bit odd to me they’d lay tape for 7 other segments just to set up the bengals for this. That’s high level commitment for low level gains.
why not run this scam for a bigger game, no?
not so much a defense as a curiousity
This would only lead me to believe that they did this for every game this year. Cheating is a compulsion.-
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Thing is if all this is true, and I believe it is, there is no way I see the NFL revealing the truth. You’re talking about tainting the biggest dynasty the sport has seen. Belichick, Brady, and Kraft are faces of the NFL. They tried and largely succeeded at sweeping the original spygate under the rug.
Other owners will probably go along with any cover up because if fans tune out because they think teams are cheating it will devalue their franchises.
Now with gambling becoming legalized everywhere they can’t have a league mired in a cheating scandal.
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2 hours ago, stevewin said:
I seriously think about this every time I watch a Cheater home game - if a team would hire someone to sweep for bugs. They haven't lost at home in 100 years and are known for making miraculous adjustments after halftime ?
The Bills should just never go in the locker room except to get dressed. Spend halftime on the field huddled up.
Peyton Manning said he would leave the locker room during halftime to talk to coaches when they played at Foxboro
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Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said:
you did see Tyrod 2.0 right?
Guess I misunderstood what you meant. Seems we are in agreement.
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24 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:
And 5 of the 6 were losses, which meant he did not play well. The only win was by 10 over Buffalo, where he threw for 183 in December and they were up 17 in the fourth until a late TD with a minute to go.
Again further points out that if he did play better those other 5 games, they may have won.....
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Brady was a game manager type QB his first few years as a starter. He didn't start lighting the league on fire until a couple years later. Maybe you have a different definition of game manager?
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7 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:
QB 1 = Baker Mayfield - tried to run away from the cops - idiot
QB 2 = Lamar Jackson - Tyrod 2.0
QB 3 = Sam Darnold - Blockhead, well maybe he was smart to not throw at the combine. look where it got him.
QB 4 = Josh Allen - the Right Josh
QB 5 = Josh Rosen - I got nothing but he won't ever get a legit shot at trying to be a starter
those are the only metrics I know about college ball
I think Jackson is better than Tyrod. Jackson doesn't seem to be afraid to pull the trigger like Tyrod was. Still not entirely sold on Jackson long term, but he's better than Tyrod.
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3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:
Someone wrote it, so must be correct..... Right????
Wrong....
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm
Threw for over 300 in his 3rd start. By 2002 (one year under his belt) had 3 300 yard game, 28 TD's & 3800 yards passing..... And the Pats were only 9-7.....
So when you post something, check the stats first. Also a different game in 2001/02 vs. 2019
BTW Wrong on Brees too...../
While Brady's completion percentage and INT numbers were better early than Allen's he was definitely talked about as a game manager at the time.
He had 6 games under 200 yards passing his second season. 2 games under 100 his first season. Even into his 3rd season he had 7 games under 200 yards passing and one under 100. The difference is Brady's best games were better than we have seen from Allen thus far.
I am in no way saying Allen is Brady, but it is true that Brady didn't come into the league as a consistently prolific passer. That came a few years later.
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1 minute ago, Mikey152 said:
They get called for a lot of penalties because they COMMIT a lot of penalties. It's intentional. They coach holding on offense and on defense, because they know full well that refs aren't going to call it on every play, and they are willing to take those penalties because overall the benefit outweighs the reward. What you won't see them do is commit a lot of stupid penalties like false start, off sides, etc...It's all holds, interference, roughing, etc...and it's on purpose.
I agree with this. If you remember when they played the Colts in the playoffs years ago, they just continually contacted the Colts receivers beyond 5 yards and dared the officials to call it. It worked. Seattle's Legion of Boom operated similarly. I guess the question is do you think that is a good strategy or a bush league move that somewhat compromises the integrity of the game?
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58 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Well, I disagree with this too. Here's the thing: the Pats*** are a legit great team. But they also have a legit and fairly well documented history of pushing the boundries of the rule book and flat-out cheating. The helmet radio thing, the opposing team radios in Foxboro, Spygate - too much smoke for there not to be fire. The Pats*** shouldn't have to cheat - it pains me to say this, but they really are that good - but the fact is, they have, over and over again. Given that, when one's eyeballs see that an apparently struggling Pats team gets bailed out by a few key penalties while what appear to be fairly egregious fouls against the other team go un-called - one wonders, and the wonderment is really not at all "on a par with" guys who manage to dismiss amazing amounts of scientific evidence to the contrary.
It seems to me that Belicheck's motto is "whatever it takes to win". If they can win just playing good hard football, fine. If the other team is hanging tough or even at risk of a comeback, well..."whatever it takes".
Good post. This has always been my take on the Pats as well. The team is great in their own right, but they have continually compromised the integrity of the game.
The penalty thing is very hard to argue though I have tried. I think it was a couple years ago the Pats were one of the most, if not the most, penalized teams in the league. Yet it seems they get so many timely calls that other teams don't. The penalty on Tre White (I think it was him) on 4th down in the last game is good example. The ball was underthrown so the receiver slows down and White runs into him. Technically PI, but the I don't see the Bills or other teams getting that call on a regular basis.
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30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Why even play the anthem before sporting events? It doesn't happen in any other professional endeavor.
Why even have a national anthem?
Kyler Murray being lambasted for lack of leadership by Bart Scott making him sound Jay Cutler-esque
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Out of curiosity I looked up his pre-draft scouting report and arrogance and lack of leadership skills were mentioned. I hate to criticize someone's personality without knowing them, but just watching them on the sidelines he comes across very pouty.
Here's the link to the report: https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2019kmurray.php