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It's the 2nd straight road game for the Saints. It's supposed to be wet and windy. They are starting their 3rd string unproven RB. They will be without their Pro Bowl LT and 4th WR. Their front-7 is pretty weak and is missing a starting DT. The Bills have a very good chance against the Saints.
Saints are starting their starting RB, Pierre Thomas. He's been hurt. He has been their starting RB since late last season. He's good to go. Brees throws 4 more.Saints win.
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As I said in the other Brees thread, his success is due to the fact that he's in Sean Payton's system. If he'd gone to Miami, Oakland, or Detroit he'd just be an average QB.
Brees' acuracy is 2nd to none at this point in his career.Add that along with his Peyton Manning type obbsesion for studying film makes him far better than an average QB no matter who he plays for.
Jeez, a Saints fan dissing Drew Brees. After all the losing we've endured. You must be a party to live with. Some people complain to live and live to complain. I didn't know my ex wife even liked football.
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Back before the salary cap and total free agency, teams used to draft QB's for the future. And I mean well into the future. Now I'm not talking about the franchise top QB's like Elway, Kelly and Marino. But 2nd round QB's like Drew Brees used to get drafted and brought along over the next 3 - 5 years slowly as back ups. No worries about losing them to free agency back then so the only decision was to either trade them or cut them down the line.
The Chargers fell victim to the new era in the NFL with Brees. He needed a full 3 to 4 years before coming into his own, and by then, he was a free agent and the Chargers had already invested the number one pick in the '04 draft to get Rivers in the infamous trade of first pick Eli Manning to the Giants. So Brees sucked his first three seasons from '01 to '03, and his team sucked so bad they qualified for the number one pick in the '04 draft. Since Brees had not played up to their needs at that time, they went all in for Manning / Rivers.
Lo and behold, while Rivers played back up his first season, Brees breaks out and becomes the QB he had the potential to become. But heading into the future and Brees' free agency, now the Chargers had to choose between the two. Rivers has turned out great, but Brees went down to New Orleans and has become even greater. Who knew?? If Big John Butler and A.J. Smith had known how good Brees would eventually be, they could have traded out of that number one pick and received extra choices, or, gone ahead and drafted Larry Fitgerald instead of Manning.
Imagine Drew Brees today playing catch with Fitzgerald for the Chargers.
Anyway, my long winded point comes down to this, can we really give up on Edwards if he doesn't continue doing as well as he has started these first two games?? Edwards is a third round pick - and maybe he might need 3 - 5 years to blossom like Brees needed.
I'm a Saints fan, but I think that JP Edwards could become a very good QB
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I hope it is a wet, windy field for Brees today. As good as he is, he is a dome, and for that matter a west coast qb. At least Trent has played in the elements for a while.
I suppose what I am getting at is....GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kick their ######g asses. Do it for us, the loyal leigon of worldwide fans!!!!!
A win today would go a long way for us. We deserve it, and I extend my best wishes to all Bills Fans!
The weather won't matter. Drew Brees is as acurate as they get. His recievers, while not household names, run perfect routes. Drew's favorite to throw to? The one that is open.Someone is always open.
I do like the Bills, but the biggest difference in the 2 teams is Drew Brees. Having a QB like himchanges everything.
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Been pointed out before, but bears repeating, no huddle is not hurry up. AVP and TE have varied the pace of this offense over the past two games. Gives TE time to read defenses, but ball is frequently snapped with only seconds left on the game clock. Three and outs were the norm last year, they just took more time to discuss unsuccessful plays in the huddle without as much time to audible out of them after.
drewbreeesss, shouldn't you be preparing for the game and not wasting your time posting on a message board? For the record, I don't think outlining how the Saints came by their points does anything to invalidate their offense, however the number of turnovers certainly factors in to the number of points they put up. As far as the article explaining that they used a "conservative gameplan," this does nothing to refute the idea that Detroit and Philly continually turning the ball over aided the Saints in racking up points, and also for the most part does not address their special teams play or their defense, therefore not really a "flip-side."
Posting is the reason I'll throw 4 more td passes this week.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah we have all heard the big numbers....but unlike the dopes at ESPN etc., I prefer to actually watch and understand the game...essentially the "how" they have done what they have. Also, I know all you KC Joyner fans are sure to be upset about my proper use of statistical analysis here, but you will have to get over it
After watching the game films and looking at the play by play info, and then the stats, a few glaring points appear to have been overlooked:
1. The Saints have averaged 12 drives a game, and they have started them from their own 40 yard line on average.
* It's important to note that, while the Bills opponents have also gotten a lot of drives, that has been largely due to positive things like: pick 6s, and us scoring...and not due to give aways, 3 and outs, or #2 below.
2. Opposing QBs have thrown 5 meaningful(6 total), give-away picks. None of the interceptions were due to excellent play from the Saints D. Rather, they were the other team's QB hitting them in the #s. All of them have given away huge field position. 3 of them have resulted in TDs. Essentially, the Saints have yet to face a NFL "varsity" QB.
3. The Saints are vulnerable to big plays, as well as the running game. They are especially vulnerable in the kicking game. They have yet to play a good special teams opponent, and, have gotten extremely short fields due to #2, hence #1.
Detroit Game:
1. Um...it's Detroit? You are playing them at home? Rookie QB's first game?
2. The Saints average drive start, of which they had 13, was their 39 yard line. You give any top 15 offense 13 drives from their 40 yard line and and yeah, we can expect them to score a lot of points. I don't care how good a defense is, you can't expect them to not give up at least 28 points given these circumstances. After all, the Saints only needed to score 4/13 times. We are talking about friggin' Detroit here...so we can replace "good" with "terrible" and therefore replace 28 points with 45.
3. Somebody remind me why I am analyzing an NFL football game involving the Lions again please...rookie QB throws 3 picks...blah, blah, blah. Why are we even considering the stats from this game as statistically significant?
Eagles Game:
1. Once again, the Saints average drive start, of which they had 11(
) was their 40 yard line. Same thing all over again as in the Detroit game.2. The score at half time was 17-13. Hardly an example of overwhelming potency on offense, or of dominating a game. And this time, they were playing a respectable team. What happened?
A. The Iggles fumbled the kick off to start the 3rd quarter, giving the Saints the ball on their 22 yard line. Now, understanding that "yeah, it's a lucky break, but you still have to score the TD", a huge turnover like that, and capitalizing on it, put the Iggles down 2 scores immediately, and, for the rest of the game.
B. As if that wasn't bad enough, back up QB Kolb comes out 3 plays later and throw an AWFUL pick giving the Saints the ball on their 24 yard line. Saints score a TD and now it's 31-13 at 11:39 in the 3rd. The game is now completely changed, and the Eagles, just like their fans, aren't historically known for their mental strength/intestinal fortitude.
3. Meanwhile...
Near-Rookie Kolb threw for almost 400 yards on this D...and 196 of that was in the first half, when the game was close or tied. So there goes the "yeah, but, they were throwing because they were behind argument"...right out the window. In fact Kolb had a 107.4 passer rating in the first half. It wasn't until the second half, when Kolb threw his 2 meaningful(3rd didn't matter) picks, that the Saints scored 31 points.
Sorry but these three are game-killers, I don't care who you are. Looks a hell of a lot more like the Eagles lost...rather than the Saints won, and Detroit played like...Detriot. I will give the Saints credit for putting together a total of 5 long drives. However by and large the Eagles offense gave away that game...and Detroit...
So what does this all mean?
1. I think we can all agree that the Bills are going to put up more than 231 yards of total offense, so you can forget about Brees getting 13 drives from his 40.
2. The Eagles WERE running and west coasting their way just fine on the Saints in the first half of their game. In fact, in the first half both Eagle RBs were running for 5 yards a carry. If it wasn't for the 3 minute melt down at the beginning of the second half, it's fair to assume that they would have ended up with 120 yards total rushing(EDIT: they had 60 at half time...so 120 is a conservative estimate). That's crazy #s for a West Coast offense...uh..that relies on short passing to supposedly replace the run game. Remember? No way the Saints score 48 points if that happens. In fact, if that happens the Saints probably lose this game.
3. Clearly the Saints can be run on by our offense. But even more importantly, they can be run on in special teams. Therefore....if the Bills can use their superior special teams to reverse this trend I have found, and instead, start 10 drives from THEIR 40 yard line on average, then this game becomes a relatively easy win for the Bills. Yeah, I said it. I could be wrong, but based on what I have seen so far, I highly doubt it.
And the flip side of your post-http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/09/saints-eagles_film_study_conse.html
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Yeah, yeah, yeah we have all heard the big numbers....but unlike the dopes at ESPN etc., I prefer to actually watch and understand the game...essentially the "how" they have done what they have. Also, I know all you KC Joyner fans are sure to be upset about my proper use of statistical analysis here, but you will have to get over it
After watching the game films and looking at the play by play info, and then the stats, a few glaring points appear to have been overlooked:
1. The Saints have averaged 12 drives a game, and they have started them from their own 40 yard line on average.
* It's important to note that, while the Bills opponents have also gotten a lot of drives, that has been largely due to positive things like: pick 6s, and us scoring...and not due to give aways, 3 and outs, or #2 below.
2. Opposing QBs have thrown 5 meaningful(6 total), give-away picks. None of the interceptions were due to excellent play from the Saints D. Rather, they were the other team's QB hitting them in the #s. All of them have given away huge field position. 3 of them have resulted in TDs. Essentially, the Saints have yet to face a NFL "varsity" QB.
3. The Saints are vulnerable to big plays, as well as the running game. They are especially vulnerable in the kicking game. They have yet to play a good special teams opponent, and, have gotten extremely short fields due to #2, hence #1.
Detroit Game:
1. Um...it's Detroit? You are playing them at home? Rookie QB's first game?
2. The Saints average drive start, of which they had 13, was their 39 yard line. You give any top 15 offense 13 drives from their 40 yard line and and yeah, we can expect them to score a lot of points. I don't care how good a defense is, you can't expect them to not give up at least 28 points given these circumstances. After all, the Saints only needed to score 4/13 times. We are talking about friggin' Detroit here...so we can replace "good" with "terrible" and therefore replace 28 points with 45.
3. Somebody remind me why I am analyzing an NFL football game involving the Lions again please...rookie QB throws 3 picks...blah, blah, blah. Why are we even considering the stats from this game as statistically significant?
Eagles Game:
1. Once again, the Saints average drive start, of which they had 11(
) was their 40 yard line. Same thing all over again as in the Detroit game.2. The score at half time was 17-13. Hardly an example of overwhelming potency on offense, or of dominating a game. And this time, they were playing a respectable team. What happened?
A. The Iggles fumbled the kick off to start the 3rd quarter, giving the Saints the ball on their 22 yard line. Now, understanding that "yeah, it's a lucky break, but you still have to score the TD", a huge turnover like that, and capitalizing on it, put the Iggles down 2 scores immediately, and, for the rest of the game.
B. As if that wasn't bad enough, back up QB Kolb comes out 3 plays later and throw an AWFUL pick giving the Saints the ball on their 24 yard line. Saints score a TD and now it's 31-13 at 11:39 in the 3rd. The game is now completely changed, and the Eagles, just like their fans, aren't historically known for their mental strength/intestinal fortitude.
3. Meanwhile...
Near-Rookie Kolb threw for almost 400 yards on this D...and 196 of that was in the first half, when the game was close or tied. So there goes the "yeah, but, they were throwing because they were behind argument"...right out the window. In fact Kolb had a 107.4 passer rating in the first half. It wasn't until the second half, when Kolb threw his 2 meaningful(3rd didn't matter) picks, that the Saints scored 31 points.
Sorry but these three are game-killers, I don't care who you are. Looks a hell of a lot more like the Eagles lost...rather than the Saints won, and Detroit played like...Detriot. I will give the Saints credit for putting together a total of 5 long drives. However by and large the Eagles offense gave away that game...and Detroit...
So what does this all mean?
1. I think we can all agree that the Bills are going to put up more than 231 yards of total offense, so you can forget about Brees getting 13 drives from his 40.
2. The Eagles WERE running and west coasting their way just fine on the Saints in the first half of their game. In fact, in the first half both Eagle RBs were running for 5 yards a carry. If it wasn't for the 3 minute melt down at the beginning of the second half, it's fair to assume that they would have ended up with 120 yards total rushing(EDIT: they had 60 at half time...so 120 is a conservative estimate). That's crazy #s for a West Coast offense...uh..that relies on short passing to supposedly replace the run game. Remember? No way the Saints score 48 points if that happens. In fact, if that happens the Saints probably lose this game.
3. Clearly the Saints can be run on by our offense. But even more importantly, they can be run on in special teams. Therefore....if the Bills can use their superior special teams to reverse this trend I have found, and instead, start 10 drives from THEIR 40 yard line on average, then this game becomes a relatively easy win for the Bills. Yeah, I said it. I could be wrong, but based on what I have seen so far, I highly doubt it.
You forgot to mention the stat that shows the Saints didn't use their 4 WR set at all (NOT ONCE) due to Moore being out. He's ready to go this week. You really did a great job with this post., but you did leave out that one little stat. The bottom line is that they won going away. It's amazing.You've turned the best offense in the NFL into the worst. Bunch of lucky mo fo's. Saints should apologize for winning.
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Welcome to our board. If you lived in Buffalo for a year, you should know that Beef on Weck is meant to be eaten with HORSERADISH & plenty of it...............plenty of umph!!! No tabasco needed. We put the hot sauce on Wings.
Bills 31
Aints 28
I know. I was trying to come up with an insult, but had nothing and I hate horseradish. Saints 38-10. Sorry.Trent Edwards is still Trent Edwards
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Ya, you guys were AWESOME against Matt Stafford and Kolb!!!!!!!
Stafford, Kolb, JP Edwards. Whats the difference?
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My family and friends are letting me have it right now. They are talking so much trash its unbelieveable. Saints gonna put 50 on us, Reggie is gonna have a breakout rushing game, Brees is gonna pass for 400 yds...yadda yadda. It's to be expected of course but i cannot wait to shut them up. I hope we crush da Saints.
It's amazing. Buffalo,NY? WTF?? I'm from New Orleans, but spent a year in your wonderful city. Trust me, You don't have to have a southern accent to be a redneck.
Why shouldn't we as Saints fans enjoy talking chit at this point of the season? This is the best team we've ever had. We've been teased a few times in the past, but it always ends the same. Like I said, Why shouldn't we be excited? Have you seen them play or just looking at stats? This is a very good football team. Like it or not. Believe what you want.
Drew Brees is the best QB in the league. It's ok to agree. It really is.
I don't think Reggie Bush will have a breakout rushing game. I think he'll do what he always does, which is open up the passing game. STATS never tell the whole story.
Drew Brees won't pass for 400 yds. 350 will do just fine.
You can hope the Bills crush the Saints all you want.We both know that the Bills aren't strong enough to do that.
I do believe the Saints will pound the Bills. Why? Two reasons. One is beef on weck. How is a man supposed to play NFL football when the best he can do is a plain, no umph sandwich. Put some tabasco on that thing!
The 2nd reason is very simple.Drew Brees. Drew Brees. Drew Brees.
WHO DAT! Saints roll, 31-10.
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Hey gang, I hope you guys don’t mind a Saints fan being here for a bit. I don’t talk trash and I like to be truthful about my team so I wont be an obnoxiously over the top homer.
This is actually the first time I have joined a non division rival’s forum but I decided it would be the best way to learn about a team I don’t know much about (I knew more about them in the day - loved Thurman Thomas and was a huge Bruce Smith fan). I did watch the game against the Pats and I won’t even mention how it ended but I loved what I saw of Edwards and the no huddle scares me with our D. I’m sure you guys can tell me plenty about our DC and I’m looking forward to hearing it. Yes we are all worried about our D here in NOLA but right now our biggest problem is special teams IMO. It was horrible against the Lions and it got better in Philly but still is plenty weak.
Anyway, I look forward to posting with you for the week and maybe beyond if you have me. Ask me anything about the Saints and Ill answer honestly if I know. Thanks. Street
Well, aren't you polite, darling. How's life in the marigny?
OFFICIAL SAINTS/BILLS GAMEDAY THREAD - 4:05 PM KICKOFF
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TO wussed out on that long throw.He heard footsteps.