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5-11 would be at least decent, after starting 0-8. This team desperately needs to establish a winning mentality under the new regime to set a foundation for a good season next year. At present they are at least proving they are not among the bottom 4-5 teams in the league, when two weeks ago most national media types thought they were perhaps the worst team.
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Where I have a respectful disagreement with you is that I STRONGLY believe that Spiller is going to be an impact player for us. He is one of the few players on offense who is capable of making the big play. Jackson is a grinder type runner. Adding Spiller to the mix will give the running game and offense a greater dimension.
The Spiller pick to me represents a change in the mentality of a very staid organization. Instead of picking less talented players to fill a need Nix took the approach that he was going after the best talent. You can't always carry out that approach to the maximum level but successful teams follow that strategy while losing teams are usually trying to fill the hole. In the long run, favoring the quality of players over the position of players works out best.
I'm worried that Spiller will be an injury prone player because he is not that big. Look at Roscoe Parrish. He was performing great this year finally with good coaching, but he gets injured again. He had a wrist injury previously also in his time with us. I guess at this point it would be great to have a big OL, DL, or LB instead of Spiller and still have Lynch backing up Jackson. If Spiller turns out to be one of the best RBs in the league in the next few years then I'll be glad of the pick, but right now I don't see it that way. He'll be good, but not fantastic, and he may get injured fairly often. Just a hunch.
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Knox was a really good coach and a winner. Levy had (to his credit) an outstanding cast of assistant coaches, especially coordinators. He was a good leader, but Knox was a shrewder coach. Saban did his best work before the merger and the team was starting to fall apart when he left the second time.
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The sad thing for RW and for all of us is that RW could have with one SB win between 2000 and 2010, established himself for all time as an owner who determined to overcome all his bad and selfish decisions over the years to finally win the big one for the beloved city of Buffalo. I remember what one fan here in the Boston area said on a radio talk show after NE won its first SB. He said it erased 40 years of frustration that he had had as a Patsie* fan. How much more would we have felt a sense of relief if the Bills had finally won a SB during this decade.
Instead, RW established himself as the least successful long term ON THE FIELD owner in the history of pro sports, never winning one world championship in the soon to be 50 super bowls that have been played. I tried to defend RW for many years but the cumulative effect of his bad decisions and cheapness (especially with GMs and coaches) finally became too obvious to ignore. The situation is so bad now that I think the league is getting a little nervous about the Bills basically operating below the standards of an NFL franchise. And RW is not even pretending any more to give a coherent explanation of his future plans to improve the team, just that we need a high draft pick QB.
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I grew up in Buffalo and have lived in San Diego and many other places. I loved to go to the beach in San Diego but most other things Buffalo has over SD, for my taste.
1. Food--MUCH better choices of interesting food in Buffalo, only thing better in SD is Mexican and California type salad restaurants. Also, no supermarkets like Wegmans in SD, just small boring supermarkets. Fresh picked by Mexicans strawberries in California are great at roadside stands.
2. People--MUCH more substantial and interesting people in Buffalo. As a cab driver who grew up in SD told me one time when I first moved to SD. The weather is great but the people are superficial and he had lived there most of his life. People in California are very superficial. Kind of like the idiot who wrote that story.
3. Weather--When I moved to Texas I used to dream about snow, when I moved to SD I had to learn to live without any rain as well for 9 months of the year. Everything is dusty and dirty outside. Rain has a wonderful cleansing effect. San Diego is dirty and dusty outside. Also, all the people who are total wusses about weather (and therefore total wusses and complainers about everything else) move to SD. When it finally rains after 9 months they complain about the rain and run like old ladies to their cars so they won't get wet!
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youtube.com/watch?v=mmGnHeylbDM&feature=player_embedded
1994 AFC Championship. I was at this game. Let me tell you a quick story.
I lost my job a few weeks earlier. There was no way I could spend money on a Bills ticket. But a snow storm dumped 2 feet of snow on RWS and the Bills were hiring people to shovel, so I went. Let me tell you it was miserable backbreaking work. freezing cold and windy. It felt like we'd never get done. When I was done I went to collect my cash pay and I was handed a ticket to the game along with my money courtesy of Ralph Wilson.
It's hard to believe that the Bills had trouble selling that game out but they did. Maybe it was losing 3 straight Super Bowls that kept folks away. So it's not like they were giving us tickets that could have been sold. But still it was a nice gesture. I gave one guy a ride home. He wasn't there to earn a Bills ticket. He was trying to keep his family warm and fed. he took a bus to RWS that day. No matter how bad you have it, someone else is in worse shape.
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I was there also. What an incredible force the Bills were in those days on both offense and defense.
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You don't go back to a team where you were the HC as a DC or OC, unless you are Jim Ringo. You don't think there is any other team in the league that would like Wade as a DC? Wade would have other options.
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Nix and Gailey have at least 2 years, and most probably 3 years, 3 being a typical amount that RW gives to a new coach. During at least the next 2 years there is NO chance of anyone else being brought in to replace Nix or Gailey.
So stop thinking about it.
Of course if RW is no longer the owner, then I think everyone is probably gone before the next season. I don't think Nix would be retained and unfortunately for Gailey, I don't think he would be looked at as making the best of a bad situation from a coaching point of view.
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I hop you are right that we trade the #1 if we have it because it is most likely to be a QB (Luck appears to be the leading choice right now but maybe last month's flavor can't miss choice will play himself into being next month's hemline being up or down.
As I see it the Bills are almost certainly going to chase after some rookie to be the next Jim Kelly (certainly Mr, Ralph exercising his owner's right to meddle even though he has proven time and again he may be a great concrete pourer or investor but the man does not have a good football brain. He also has repetitively had toxic relationships with the men he hired to run the Bills ship of state (fired Polian who correctly is given lead credit for hiring a bunch of great players, coaches. and scouts who Marv is correctly given credit for managing these dynamic personalities- outside of his non-fatal firing of Marchibroda and silly misadventures in the redzone where he insisted on control and never equalled the great playcalling of Marchibroda in the red zone), Butler who played him to not negotiate a contract during the season and left us high and dry to run to sunny SD, and then had to fire TD when he failed to manage the bad tendencies he developed after getting run out of Pitts by the man he hired.
Add to that the toxic relationships he has had with some of his coaches like his foolish attempt to welch on his agreement with Wade-o and being such a bad owner that Mularkey walked away from a huge contract rather than coach for him.
IMHO it will be near impossible for a first year QB to lead this team to win an SB as:
1. He will need to read NFL Ds will in order to resd the exotic run blizes other teams will employ against a young OL thst simply is going to challenge our O with, If the blocking schemes led by new players not even on the OL this year will need to be acquired and then chemistry built between them means our QB had better be experienced enough to pick up the slack for our OL or he will likely be killed next year.
2. He will need to have a quick release as fast as that as a Peyton Manning or he will be hit and hit hard repeatedly. Even P. Manning was not P. Manning yet as a rookie. Some folks for example showed little football sense by advocating hard the Bills take Jim Clausen, I agree he is a gamer and a great guy to root for but his slow release which will improve over time would get him killed with this Bills team and as the current OL play only shows how much we need at least one if not two new OL players who are not Bills yet demonstrates that the next QB will nor only have seen a large number of pro Ds to make up for poor blocking but will need to have a quite windup like a vet.
3. He will need to be able to ignore the local media and few loud but local fans who will demand the impossible of any player at QB not to mention a 1st round drafted QB,
I simply doubt that the Buffalo media and fan base are mature enough to allow any rookie QB to grow or even survive.
We either need to take the next Bruce Smith if offered in this draft or the next Tony Boselli (though even the LT will often be on an island from time to time though the blitz pick-up RB and good reads by a vet QB will help him.
However though this a team game the QB does handle the ball on virtually every O snap and it is incredibly doubtful any rookie QB can prosper in his first year or even survive with a learning OL and with this local talk meisters,
I hope like heck that unless a player in the trenches merits a low pick that we trade this resource for value.
Marchibroda firing? I thought Marchibroda left because after his fame grew with the Bills offense, the Colts wanted him back as HC and hired him as HC. I always thought he left because he got a promotion to HC.
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It will never happen! I believe Ralph still owes him some money that he never paid. Would be a great D coach for us though!!
Besides the problem with Ralph paying him last time it is an embarrassment to go back as a coordinator to the same team where you had been the HC. Just doesn't happen. OK, it did with Jim Ringo, but that was unusual. But Wade did like living in Buffalo. After he was fired he lived here for a long time afterward when he didn't have any other NFL job.
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I feel bad that my kids who are 16 to 23 haven't been able to tell any of their friends here in New Hampshire, "who's your daddy now", for the last seven years with the Patsies*. At least I don't have any danger of any of my kids becoming NE* fans even though I left Buffalo before they were born. They hate the Pats* as much as I do.
When you read the posts on this thread you can only say again what an amazing thing it is to be a Bills fan. It surpasses anything in pro sports (some college sports allegiances are also pretty strong).
I don't worry about what these Patsie* fans think here about my Bills allegiance. I think at this point most are pretty impressed because they know, and I know, and the whole world knows, they would NEVER have the same loyalty to the Pats* under bad times. They are fair weather fans. Now with the Red Sox it is a little different.
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Keep in mind that Ralph is about to turn 92, which is old enough to die without being in poor health. If Wilson passes before the end of the season, any new ownership would have a free pass to can Gailey. Assuming Ralph is the one pulling the trigger, though, it seems unlikely that he'd give Gailey just 1 year in light of his recent "3 year turnaround" comments. However, there's still a chance. Keep in mind that when Ralph put the blame on himself, he said something along the lines of it was his fault for not hiring the right people. So that leaves the door open to the idea that Ralph realizes he hired the wrong GM/coach combo to turn things around, and will make a change at the end of the year.
With new ownership, there is a good chance that just about everyone is let go, including Modrak, believe it or not. Seriously, Nix and Gailey could both be gone. Look at Jerry Jones. As soon as he came in he fired Tom Landry and brought in Jimmy Johnson. Of course Landry was beyond his prime and that was probably a good time to can him.
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I think the Green injury is a ploy to take him out of the starting line-up while trying to save the face of the front office that signed him to a three year 9 million dollar contract. I don't blame Wilson for that mistake, I blame Nix and Company for that pathetic move. I absolutely have zero confidence in the front office and this coaching staff. They have made mistake after mistake since they arrived. Quite honestly they can stock pile draft picks all they want, but I don't have any confidence in there ability to draft or sign FA's that are difference makers.
The front office reminds me of the democrats destroying the country like they are destroying this team.
It is not a ploy. He missed time in the preseason with a knee injury and then was taken out of the game last Sunday with an injury. They would have to be pretty clever to take someone out of a game who is uninjured and say it was injury. It would be easier to say that they needed to make a change due to the bad record of the team, etc. Most people would look at that as a positive. The thing is OL in their mid 30s tend to get injured. Look at Jason Peters, he is a lot younger but still gets injured a lot.
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If trading is so hard then why do the Patriots, for example, get it done on a regular basis. Maroney this year. Deon Branch for a 1st round pick years ago! Draft picks during the draft. Remember Randy Moss. I have to admit, at least Donahue knew how to execute trades. Peerless Price to Atlanta for 1st Rounder. Bledsoe even though he didn't work out so well but funny thing is, he has been the best QB since Kelly. Lawyer Miloy was a nice pickup too. Donahue, of course, made mistakes and many blame him for the current demise.
Lawyer was not a trade. He was cut by the Pats* and signed by us. Bledsoe was not worth a number 1 for one half good season and setting us back from getting and developing a good young QB. Peerless was good deal, they franchise tagged him, forcing Atlanta to give up a number 1 pick to get him.
But there is no one we can really trade at this point and get fair value. Lynch and Spiller are a good one-two punch. Jackson is getting old and no one will give you anything for him. No one will give you much for Evans either, but all it would do if we traded him is put pressure on the Bills to use a very high draft pick next year on a WR, probably a higher pick than we would get for Evans. Most of the time a 3rd round pick doesn't even start for you and people want to give up say Lynch, who is a very good RB, for a player that won't even start next year. Look at the success of our 3rd round picks over the last 10 years.
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So remind me why Perry did not get the job ? He benched Trent and Lynch in favor of Fitz and Fred and e team played hard. We were very competitive despite numerous injured reserved. Led the league in picks....we criticized him for playing Fitz rather than Brohm. Remind me again why Perry did nit get the job or why he was not been taken seriously? Is it because we wanted a marquee name like Gailey??
We got rid of Perry because we wanted an offensive minded HC. Gailey fits the bill.
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People don't want to trade for 30 year old running backs. He might be worth a 5th rounder realistically, maybe less.
I don't think we want to trade Lynch because Jackson is almost certain to be in the twilight of his NFL career, and if we trade Lynch we'll be only left with Spiller to be the "workhorse" running back, which everyone in the NFL knows he cannot be.
So, trading Jackson is the only option (saving two young running backs on the roster), but yet nobody will trade for him.
That's why nothing has happened.
True. I don't see why everyone wants to trade Lynch. Jackson is clearly the odd man out, but who would want him? Lynch and Spiller make a great 1-2 punch and could be that for years. Jackson is old for a RB and NOT the workhorse RB to plan your offense around.
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Of course we would love a 1st round pick but lets be realistic. I'd settle for a 2nd round and 4th round in 20ll plus another 2nd in 2012.
We need to start stock piling draft picks. We are losing either way with Evans and really he is a non-factor on this team being a #1 WR. Getting some pics in return and for one of our current RB's plus the top 3 pick in the overall draft (looking like #1 at this point) would be a good start.
This is not baseball or hockey. When you are a lousy team you can't trade your few good players for draft picks to prepare for the future. Good teams don't want to give up first or second (or even third)round picks for good players. Especially during the season. They are great teams because they know how to draft so they want to hold onto their high picks. Trading a player like Evans for a 4th or lower pick just makes the Bills look like they are totally losing it as an organization (even more than they look now).
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15 loosing seasons in 21 years 1967- 1987; Marv Levy's first full season of coaching the Bills. There has definitely been more bad years than good and have I been in the stands or on the sidelines for many (since 1962) except when I was in the US Navy from 70-76. Here is a breakdown:
67 4-10 Joel Collier coach
68 1-12-1 Harvey Johnson friend of Wilson
69 4-10 John Rauch
70 3-10-1 " "
71 1-13 Replay on the Harvey Johnson as coach wannabe
72 4-9-1 Saban took over and for three years after 73 9-5; 74 9-5 & 75 8-6
76 2-12 Jim Ringo
77 3-11 Jim Ringo
in 78 Chuck Knox took over, 5-11 his first season coaching and had a few winning seasons until he left for more money because Wilson wouldn't pay him
Two 2 & 14 seasons in 84 & 85 Kay Stephenson and then the all time scholar Hank Bullough before he was fired half way through the 1986 season and Marv Levy took over coaching
Here is link: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/
The two Harvey Johnson years were especially painful. Johnson was a personnel guy, a scout, and he didn't want to be the HC. He only did it because RW told him he needed him to step in for a season, and then another season 3 years later. So there was no sense of hope about those seasons in that you knew the guy coaching didn't even want the job and next year there would be a new coach and system, etc., and everything starting over.
This year is hopefully the start of a new era with Nix/Gailey so there is a lot more hope. Still, the late 60s and early 70s there was always the hope that we would some day get to the super bowl. We were young then and it seemed like we had all the time in the world. Now we have been to 4 in a row and lost all of them and we desperately want to win at least one super bowl, but to even get back to the playoffs seems like too high a climb at this point for the immediate future. So in that sense there may be more of an accumulated despair of 11 years that is palpable. But in terms of shear misery of having a really terrible team we are not even close to the depths this franchise has plummeted to in the past.
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Geez. How does cutting Edwards make this "evaluation" any easier faster or better than benching him?
The release (and how it was handled) is what people were/are bitching about. Not letting Fitz or Brohm play.
Its not just that Fitz is starting but they also want Brohm to at least be number 2. Did you not see Gailey's press conference. He had a look of disgust at the thought of sticking TE into the role of being the scout QB, the job the #3 has. The point is it would have been extremely embarrassing for Trent, with the C on his jersey, to be running the scout team. Gailey and Nix did the right thing for TE and for the team by cutting him. I'm sure Trent is already loads happier going to Jacksonville. Even if he is #3 there he will be new on the team with nobody on the team feeling sorry for him that he was demoted so far.
So could we stop the stupid talk that it was OK to bench TE but not cut him. It was NECESSARY to cut him if the thought was the new #2 should be Brohm. And I think many agree that it makes a ton more sense at this point to give Brohm a shot versus giving TE yet another shot later this year.
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I give Chan credit for giving Trent every possible chance to succeed at this level.
I also think it was the right decision to jettison him after benching him.
The players know what they had in Trent. He is a defensive QB, and the NFL is a league driven by offensive QBs.
I imagine back in the day, Shula would liked to have had a guy like Trent backing up Griese.
That said, keeping TE on the squad, riding the bench or running the practice squad would be pathetic.
Chan's now got only two QBs to focus on training, and he's made it clear he thought investing any more in Trent was a waste.
I think it is as simple as that. Why waste more time giving Edwards any more snaps. Chan now thinks Brohm should be number 2 and I think many of us would agree with giving him a chance, instead of keeping Edwards at 2. Edwards at 3 is ridiculous. First its extremely embarrassing for him to run the scout team after being the starter and Gailey clearly indicated that in his remarks. Second, the 3 guy (if they bring one in) should be at least a long term prospect (like a Levy Brown).
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Good move. We don't need any distractions like JP was as long as he was on the roster.
1.) Jim Kelly knows QBs, at least what will work for the Bills. He gave up on TE a long time ago.
2.) Another sad mark against the Marv Levy GM era.
3.) We won't have to see TE ever again try to play in the snow and wind in Buffalo.
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If the line judge sees a player initially fall on the ball and gain possession, and then the player is then touched by the other team ending the play, they don't need to wait to pull the players off of the pile. They have to pull all of the players off when then do not see who gets control, the line judge was just in the right place this time.
How about that KO return by Spiller, that was absolutely blocked clean right? Bad calls happen both ways every game, it is just part of the game.
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Bad calls happen a lot MORE to teams that play the Pats*, than to the Pats*. No one is saying that all the bad calls go one way, just that the majority go one way. Also, with the Bills being a bad team with no big name coach, they often get bad calls against them in any game. There is nothing they can do about it except get better players so that they can overcome both the other team and the officials. But the Pats* are a special case. Its almost like playing Shula's Dolphins from the 70s again. The referee body language even shows a kind of nervousness to make sure they call things in favor of the Pats*, like it was in the 70s with the Dolphins.
The only reason I thought it would be nice to get a Shanahan or Cowher was the effect it could have on the refs when the Bills were playing. They might respect the coach enough to be a little nervous about his complaints with bad calls. They obviously don't worry about Gailey at all. Why should they. The NFL is a league that favors the elites and the refs know that. Unfortunately RW is getting a little too old to kick in the officials' door after the game to shout at them like he did in the 70s after an especially badly called game.
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Whats with all this "the way I raise my kids" stuff?
My God they videoed A defensive coordinator standing in plain sight. Thats going to corrupt children's values? Jesus you people are bitter.
Why do coach's always cover their mouth with a play book when they send out plays? Maybe a team with a active interest in winning hired a lip reader with binoculars?
But don't worry about the Bills as a example for your children. Play dead, go 3-13 year after year and watch the dough roll in. Fine roll model.
When I brought up Belicheat*'s antics to someone here (after he smirked when I told him I was a Bills fan), his attitude was cheating is part of sports, every one does it and some get caught. He mentioned that a HS soccer coach was penalized in New Hampshire for illegally videotaping some high school practice. Unlike Goodell however, the commissioner of this sport gave out a stiff penalty to this coach, apparently. So the attitude is everyone cheats in sports, even in high school, so what Belicheat* did is no big deal.
I have a problem with that attitude and teaching kids that is the way sports works.
To get a better idea of how the Pats* differed from other teams, check out the writings of Ross Tucker at SI.com. Tucker was an OL with the Bills, of course, but he also played on the Pats* and other NFL teams. His take is NE* always had an attitude different from the other teams he played with as far as abiding by rules. For example they had illegal players at practice and told Ross that everyone did that, but Ross says that none of the other teams he played for (incl. the Bills) flaunted rules like that.
Belicheat* is a brilliant, totally amoral, type of coach. He is probably not the only one, but not everyone is like him.
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I have friends here in New England who take their kids to church every week and try hard to teach their kids to be decent kids, etc. But since they are also diehard Patsie* fans they tell their kids that the whole cheating thing with Belicheat* is overblown and everybody cheats to win in sports, etc. but the Cheaters* happened to be caught, etc.
All I'm saying is I'm glad I don't have to do that with my kids. I would hate to be a NE* fan if that is how I would have to raise my kids.
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