Rubes Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Of course, I also recall KH throwing downfield all of, what, four times this year? And three of those were picked off, right? 484642[/snapback] Well, KH only has 2 picks so far this season, and only one came on a deep ball (vs the Jets). But whatever, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Well, KH only has 2 picks so far this season, and only one came on a deep ball (vs the Jets). But whatever, right? 484708[/snapback] My bad, I acknowledged I was just going off memory (which is obviously flawed) with the "right?" at the end of my sentence. So, should I persume that you attacked that one point of mine because you also disagree with my other points? Those were, by the way, that the coaches appear to have no confidence in KH throwing downfield, but KH is still the Bills best bet right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 From where I was sitting, it looked like the coaching staff has zero confidence in KH's ability to throw downfield. It looks a lot like the way they were treating Lindell last year. I recall on at least three occasions yesterday where the Bills were in third-and-long situations. Instead of letting KH chuck it, they called draw plays and screens. It was complete giving up. 484642[/snapback] Or maybe the coaches had zero confidence in the offensive line's ability to pass protect long enough for someone to get open downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 My bad, I acknowledged I was just going off memory (which is obviously flawed) with the "right?" at the end of my sentence. So, should I persume that you attacked that one point of mine because you also disagree with my other points? Those were, by the way, that the coaches appear to have no confidence in KH throwing downfield, but KH is still the Bills best bet right now. 484739[/snapback] Naw, just came out the wrong way. I don't disagree, this offense is just a complete vomitorium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB2004 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I'm just befuddled here. I don't understand why we can't seem to complete a pass for over 10 yards, let alone 15. Is it Kelly Holcomb and his weak arm, always checking down to a short route? Is it Tom Clements and his predictive play calling? Is it the offensive line's inability to pass-block? Is it Mike Mularkey's refusal to grab the reins from TC? Is it our receivers? Someone please shed some light for me... I tried to create a poll but think I must've done something wrong.. 483859[/snapback] I think it's a little bit of everything you mentioned except the first. Kelly Holcomb can throw the ball more than 15 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I'm just befuddled here. I don't understand why we can't seem to complete a pass for over 10 yards, let alone 15. Is it Kelly Holcomb and his weak arm, always checking down to a short route? Is it Tom Clements and his predictive play calling? Is it the offensive line's inability to pass-block? Is it Mike Mularkey's refusal to grab the reins from TC? Is it our receivers? Someone please shed some light for me... I tried to create a poll but think I must've done something wrong.. 483859[/snapback] didnt tom brady complete an avg of 8 yard passes for like 3 years, if you move the ball it doesnt matter if you complete 10 yard passes or 4, the problem is our run defence every year its the same BS one year we score so much points all we needed was a decent def and this team was SB bound the next year we cant score for shizzle and our def looks like the 86 bears all we needed was an offence now again we are lacking in one department and its causing us to get hammered well i doubt that every NFL team has the best DT's in the world yet a lot of teams are able to at least keep a respectable run against avg yet us, one problem we have and teams exploit it i dont know what it is, i dont even think a primetime QB can save us, theres just a losing atmosphere in this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambler Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Its MM offense that he brought from Pitt. 484384[/snapback] My favorite play is the 1 yard pass to the slow Tight End! Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 My favorite play is the 1 yard pass to the slow Tight End!Brilliant! 485264[/snapback] On 3rd and 9 no less!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 The o-line. Can't get he time it takes for a long route when the D is in your face all game. Sat in the end zone . When he did have someone open, he was running for his life. On the 18(?) yard sack one of the receivers was wide open about 25 yards downfield. 484139[/snapback] We're not talking about throwing the ball down field, we're talking about a 15 yard crossing pattern or a 15 yard curl. Anything other than dumping the ball off. Even on an all out blitz the WRs can easily get 15 yards down field. The QB has to pull the trigger though. That being said, you're right, the Oline's pass protection is horrid, but it's not the reason we can't even attempt a pass of more than 10 yards in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 On 3rd and 9 no less!! 485301[/snapback] But, but, but Holcomb has a completion percentage of 70%! That means he did a good job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1959BillsFan Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Its MM offense that he brought from Pitt. 484384[/snapback] Mularkey had some TALENT on that o-line in Pittsburgh. After TD left, Cowhert used higher draft selections to build his lines, and not one or two high draft picks a year either. Russ Grimm is a no nonsence o-line coach, when Grimm talks his players and other coaches listen. Plus, as the OC, Mularkey made it a point to keeps communications open between positional coaches and between the players. Here, he thinks that Clements and Gray are doing that, but is now realizing the Clements doesn't view that as his job. Clements may have been a decent QB coach but Clements is obviously in way over his head, there;s no chemistry between the offensive positional coaches much less the players. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I'm just befuddled here. I don't understand why we can't seem to complete a pass for over 10 yards, let alone 15. Is it Kelly Holcomb and his weak arm, always checking down to a short route? Is it Tom Clements and his predictive play calling? Is it the offensive line's inability to pass-block? Is it Mike Mularkey's refusal to grab the reins from TC? Is it our receivers? Someone please shed some light for me... I tried to create a poll but think I must've done something wrong.. 483859[/snapback] Holcomb pretty much called out the O-line in the most politically correct way possible by saying he didn't have time to throw it. TD has call out the O-line by calling out the pass protection as inconsistent. I don't know how many other ways you can nicely say we're getting mauled up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I think the 11 guys on the field, plus their coaches, are to blame. I know I'm reaching, but that's my final answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I'm just befuddled here. I don't understand why we can't seem to complete a pass for over 10 yards, let alone 15. Is it Kelly Holcomb and his weak arm, always checking down to a short route? Is it Tom Clements and his predictive play calling? Is it the offensive line's inability to pass-block? Is it Mike Mularkey's refusal to grab the reins from TC? Is it our receivers? Someone please shed some light for me... I tried to create a poll but think I must've done something wrong.. 483859[/snapback] Its your fault- if you weren't a Bills fan, they would win the Superbowl, any team you like will continually do poorly (dripping sarcasm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Can someone tell me how Holcomb was with the deep ball back in Cleveland? Examining his tenure there in comparison should allow us to decide how big an issue his arm strength is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Or maybe the coaches had zero confidence in the offensive line's ability to pass protect long enough for someone to get open downfield. 484949[/snapback] I believe we have TBD's first official KH apologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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