Buffalo03 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 18 hours ago, chris heff said: So it’s the greedy women’s fault, 24 possibly 27 times. Rich guys are always the victims of gold diggers. The out of court settlements were initiated by his attorneys not vise versa. Neither you nor I have any idea what the evidence was. Prosecutors are reluctant to file criminal charges, unless they are sure of a conviction, more so when the crime is rape. As far as the civil allegations, the vast majority of cases were, as you said settled. If he is innocent as he claims, why not have his day in court and prove it? You are giving him the benefit of the doubt and reaching the age old conclusion that it was the woman’s fault. To be fair, one of the women that came forward was interviewed and she said as she was massaging his inner thigh her hand "touched his p***s" and she felt uncomfortable. She was asked if he grabbed it and put it there and she said no or if he asked her to do it and she again said no. So, I don't know what to think about a lot of these cases 1 Quote
Ralonzo Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Wait a sec... she massaged his thigh and it was just hanging around down there?? No wonder this story is still in the news, who wouldn't be calling every reporter to keep it going! Quote
chris heff Posted October 3 Posted October 3 1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said: To be fair, one of the women that came forward was interviewed and she said as she was massaging his inner thigh her hand "touched his p***s" and she felt uncomfortable. She was asked if he grabbed it and put it there and she said no or if he asked her to do it and she again said no. So, I don't know what to think about a lot of these cases One woman? What about all the others? That doesn’t seem “to be fair”, strikes me as cherry picking. Did they all feel uncomfortable because of accidentally touching his penis? And why all the different masseuses? Why not hire one and put her on the payroll? Quote
GoBills808 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 14 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: I never said, "Rich guys are always the victims of gold diggers." Or that "it was the woman's fault." What I said was there was a "cloud of uncertainty" in which case I agree with you that neither of us know what the evidence is. You may feel the stories printed in the media point to guilt (e.g. 24 separate accusations) - and that's reasonable. But the two grand juries who examined the actual evidence didn't feel there was enough to indict him, let alone go to trial. I find that fact interesting and somewhat compelling. You ask if he's innocent, why doesn't he have his day in court? Well, first of all, that's not even an option - he was never indicted. Secondly, if I were innocent of a crime and my attorney said to settle out of court, I'd follow his advice rather than risk a miscarriage of justice. But please note here, I am not saying I think Watson is innocent. I'm just saying that forgiveness is a virtue. I've forgiven pretty much everyone who's ever personally wronged me, so why shouldn't I forgive Watson who may or may not be guilty? “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.” (Matthew 6:14) “Forgiveness is a divine quality.” (Bhagavad Gita 16:3) “Those who restrain anger and pardon people — God loves the doers of good.” (Qur’an 3:134) “To be wronged is nothing unless you continue to remember it.” (Confucius, Analects 1.8) “Hatred does not cease by hatred, but only by love; this is the eternal law.” (Dhammapada, Verse 5) sworn affidavits ________________________________________________________________________ JANE DOE 1 (!) First contact: March 28th, 2020 Allegations: March 30th, 2020 Credentials: Licensed Massage Therapist/Business Owner Summary: The plaintiff accuses Watson of civil assault during a massage at her home last March. Watson reached out to her on March 28th to schedule an appointment. The plaintiff had been working hard to grow her small business since 2018. Plaintiff was excited and encouraged that a local sports star was seeking out her services. Via text, Watson asked the plaintiff if she was "comfortable with certain areas [his] organization was making [him] get worked on". Watson also asked her "Am I expecting to see someone else there? Is it just you.". This gave the plaintiff pause, but she was able to justify it to herself by assuming Watson just wanted privacy. During the massage, Watson began to aggressively dictate the massage and complain that she was not doing what he wanted. The plaintiff began to think that Watson only wanted sex. Watson repeatedly directed her towards his penis. She alleges that he purposely exposed the tip of his now fully erect penis from under the towel. He began moving himself to expose himself more, and eventually turned to touch her hand with his penis. The plaintiff immediately ended the massage and started to cry. After telling him to leave, Watson said "I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don't want anyone messing with mine." Later, Watson reached out to her via text message to apologize. She did not respond. A few weeks later, she was DM'ed on Instagram by two other NFL players, saying "Big D" had recommended her to them. The lawsuit implies that she did not respond to these messages either. JANE DOE 13 First contact: April 19th, 2020 Allegations: April 19th, 2020 Credentials: Licensed Esthetician/Business Owner Summary: When Watson reached out to this plaintiff for a massage, she was confused, as she is an esthetician who only markets and offers skin care services. However, she was excited that an NFL player was reaching out to use her services. Watson told her that he liked to keep his business confidential. She told Watson that she did not specialize in massages and Watson indicated that it was fine. Plaintiff told Watson over DM that she was nervous as she had never worked with a famous athlete before. Watson promised to walk her through it and give her direction. After arriving at the spa, Watson aggressively dictated the session. Watson asked the plaintiff to "go deeper" into his buttocks. The plaintiff says that she began to get scared, but assumed that Watson was used to licensed professionals and would not be making unusual requests. When Watson turned onto his back, he dropped the towel, exposing his erect penis. He told her not to pick the towel up. As the plaintiff massaged Watson's groin area, he repeatedly turned to touch her hand with his penis. Plaintiff was frightened and confused but she tried to ignore it. Shortly after, Watson *****. She was mortified and told a family member afterwards. JANE DOE 15 (!) First contact: May 2020 Allegations: May 28th, 2020 Credentials: Licensed Personal Trainer/Business Owner Summary: According to this lawsuit, Watson requested a massage from the married plaintiff in May 2020. The massage was scheduled to take place at his house and he told her to come to the session dressed in "casually relaxing attire" and also that "you don't have to be full professional," according to the lawsuit. During the session, Watson exposed his erect penis and wiped pre-***** onto her hand. As soon as he did this, the plaintiff froze from fear and confusion. She began repeating "I do not know. I do not know." She ended the massage immediately. He got up, still completely naked, and asked to give her a hug. She refused and rushed out of the house. She says that she told a friend and a family member what had happened as soon as she got home. According to the lawsuit the woman "felt violated and disgusted and felt as though she was trapped in some weird nightmare" after the incident. The lawsuit goes on to claim that Watson texted her the same day and asked if she was OK and also repeatedly reached out asking to book her again. She says she either ignored or rejected the requests. JANE DOE 7 First contact: June 2020 Allegations: June 2nd, 2020 Credentials: Licensed Massage Therapist/Business Owner Summary: The plaintiff is a licensed massage therapist with eleven years experience who works regularly with athletes. She says that she has never had any issues prior to Watson. She said he told her “I make a lot of massage therapists uncomfortable and it’s really hard for me to find someone who will meet my needs.” Watson also kept asking that the massage be really private and asked if anyone else would be around when he arrived at the location. As soon as the massage started, Watson laid face down on the table completely nude, exposing his buttocks. She insisted that he cover up but he refused. He exposed his penis to her several times. She said she felt trapped and angry, as she prides herself on her reputation. She says that she became terrified as Watson kept twisting his body to touch her with his penis. Afterwards, Watson contacted her seven more times to schedule another appointment. She either declined or ignored all of his requests and never worked with him again. JANE DOE 9 First contact: (Arranged) First Allegations: June 2020 *Second Allegations: August 17th, 2020 Credentials: Spa Worker Summary: The lawsuit, which involves a spa worker in training to become a licensed massage therapist, describes a more graphic interaction. In June 2020, the woman was asked to meet Watson at a hotel after he arranged an appointment through her spa manager, according to the lawsuit. The lawsuit claims Watson groped the woman before suddenly leaving without paying full price. The documents said the manager told the woman that Watson said he underpaid her because “she had not given him what he wanted.” *A month later, the same woman claims she got a direct message from Watson on Instagram requesting a massage. At the time, court documents said she was unaware it was the same man from the alleged hotel incident. According to court documents, she agreed to meet with Watson at the spa at a time they would be mostly alone. She recognized him when he arrived, and the lawsuit states Watson apologized for his previous behavior and said, “he had never been rejected by a woman before.” The lawsuit claims the woman was “embarrassed” and “humiliated” as the player allegedly made several inappropriate advances, including demanding sexual acts before leaving the spa. She is currently receiving psychiatric counseling for the trauma she endured during the alleged incident, the lawsuit said. JANE DOE 12 First contact: July 2020 Allegations: July 2020 Credentials: Business Owner Summary: Court documents said the woman normally offers professional cosmetic services, such as teeth whitening and detoxing. She is and was in a committed relationship. In July 2020, the lawsuit alleges Watson reached out to her on Instagram asking if she was an esthetician and she said no but offered to refer him to one. He allegedly declined her offer and asked if she would give him a Swedish massage. According to the lawsuit, the woman told Watson massages aren't her expertise but she would be willing to try. Court documents said she was willing to give the massage in the hopes that having a celebrity client would further promote her business. They arranged a session at the woman's house over the phone, according to the lawsuit. According to the lawsuit, Watson requested "she wear something comfortable that she likes to wear around the house." On the way to the plaintiff's house, Watson texted her asking if anyone else would be at the house. He said he wanted to "know [his] surroundings". Plaintiff assured him that it would just be her. During the session, according to court documents, Watson asked the woman to massage his groin and private area. It also alleges the player touched himself inappropriately and then ***** on the woman. He then left the house. Immediately afterward, the lawsuit says the woman called a friend and told her what happened. It said the woman felt "violated, disgusted and ashamed." JANE DOE 14 (!) First contact: July 2020 Allegations: July 15th, 2020 Credentials: Licensed Massage Therapist/Business Owner Summary: A Los Angeles massage therapist, who has several years of experience working with professional football players and high-profile athletes, also is accusing Watson of sexual misconduct. She has never had a problem with any other client. According to the lawsuit, Watson sent the woman a direct message on Instagram inquiring about her services in July 2020. The NFL star reached out complaining of back pain and they arranged to meet at a house in Beverly Hills, the lawsuit said. During the session, the lawsuit alleges Watson brought the therapist to a room and locked the door behind them, prompting her to grab her mace. She claims Watson “chuckled” and the session proceeded seemingly as normal until she returned from the bathroom. Watson aggressively dictated the massage. He asked her to massage his "glutes", to which she firmly said no. He then flipped over and removed his towel, revealing his erection. At some point, Watson grabbed her hand and placed it on his erect penis. He also kept trying to direct her hand to his butthole. The lawsuit claims Watson told the woman not to talk about the appointment, which she considered a threat. Watson is accused of reaching out to the same woman again in December 2020 about scheduling an appointment in Chicago, but she didn’t respond. JANE DOE 11 First contact: July 2020 Allegations: August 2nd, 2020 Credentials: Professional(?) Summary: The woman, who is a professional (document is missing credentials) that offers mobile services, got a direct message from Watson on Instagram in July 2020, according to court documents. The lawsuit alleges they eventually agreed to meet at a Houston hotel on the afternoon of August 2, 2020. Court documents said Watson kept asking if he could remove his towel, but the woman told him no. Soon, according to the lawsuit, Watson began demonstrating "aggressive behavior". After pressuring her to massage his buttocks, Watson told her to "get in there" and demanded the woman put her fingers on his anus. At one point, the lawsuit alleges the woman went to the bathroom and Watson was completely naked when she returned. He allegedly asked if she would be willing to "do more" for extra money. According to the lawsuit, when the woman declined, Watson was angered and told her to leave. *(Second Jane Doe 9 Allegations - 8/17/20) JANE DOE 2 First contact: August 14th, 2020 Allegations: August 28th, 2020 Credentials: Unlicensed Masseuse Summary: The woman is an unlicensed masseuse in Atlanta who says she plans on taking classes to get her massage therapy license. Watson contacted her on Instagram last August and agreed to pay for her flight to Houston. They met at the Houstonian Hotel where he had a suite. The lawsuit alleges Watson refused to cover his penis with a towel, repeatedly encouraged her to massage there and kept aggressively redirecting her hands towards his anus. Watson eventually got specific and said he wanted her to work on his inner anus. Plaintiff ignored this request because it was odd. After again refusing to cover himself, plaintiff ended the massage and said she needed to leave. Watson then grabbed her arm and said, "it is ok, it is ok". Plaintiff said she needed to catch her plane and left. She said Watson only paid half of what she was owed and later contacted her about getting a massage in Atlanta, but she didn’t respond. JANE DOE 4 First contact: (Assigned) First Allegations: September 9th, 2020 Second Allegations: October 2020 Credentials: Licensed Esthetician/Spa Worker Summary: The lawsuit says Watson initially contacted the licensed esthetician’s boss, asking for a photograph of the plaintiff and asked if he could give the plaintiff a massage. She politely declined. Before the appointment, Watson kept texting the plaintiff to ask if anyone was going to be at the spa. He requested to us a back door. During the first appointment in September, the woman said Watson became aroused and asked her what she was going to do about it. She told Watson that his behavior was inappropriate. She said she was afraid and wanted to end the session, but she is a single mother and the spa job was her only source of income. The session ended without further incident. During the next appointment in October, the woman said Watson escalated his behavior and told her she was wearing too many clothes, tried to kiss her and tried to put his penis in her hand. This time, she said she cut the session short and Watson immediately left. JANE DOE 5 First contact: September 2020 Allegations: September 24th, 2020 Credentials: Business Owner Summary: Plaintiff has owned and operated her own fitness company for three years. This massage took place in September 2020 at a Houston salon where the woman rents a room, according to the civil assault lawsuit. The woman alleges Watson asked if he could be naked and if it was OK if he became aroused, but she told him to cover himself. Regardless, Watson was soon fully erect. She said he “continued to move his body in a way that would cause his penis to repeatedly touch the plaintiff’s hand". The plaintiff was shocked and started avoiding his groin. Lying on his back, Watson eventually *****. The plaintiff felt disgusted and immediately left the room. Watson dressed himself and left. JANE DOE 16 (!) First contact: (Assigned) Allegations: October 8th, 2020 Credentials: Licensed Body Contouring/Spa Worker Summary: Plaintiff is a single mother who is licensed in body contouring and skin tightening and works for a spa in Houston. She was assigned to perform a massage on Watson by her boss. She said she declined to sign a non-disclosure agreement before the meeting. According to the lawsuit, Watson did not show up for the appointment until the spa was empty at 7PM. At the spa, Watson immediately got naked and laid face-down on the table. When massaging around his buttocks, Watson told the plaintiff not to be scared and to "go deeper". She declined. After this, Watson flipped over and exposed his penis. Watson told her to massage his groin and then brushed his penis up against her, which terrified plaintiff. Watson told her not to be afraid to "touch him". She told him that she was not being paid to do that. Watson then responded that it was what he paid for. She declined and quickly ended the massage. She said Watson only paid one-third of what he owed. JANE DOE 6 First contact: October 19th, 2020 First Allegations: October 19th, 2020 Second Allegations: November 2nd, 2020 Credentials: Unlicensed Masseuse Summary: The single mother plaintiff says that Watson initially contacted her and said he wanted sports therapy. They scheduled an appointment and she says that Watson was respectful at the beginning of the massage in October 2020. But she said he soon began moving in a “provocative manner” and exposed himself. The rest of the massage went without incident. Plaintiff was confused but hadn't been touched so she gave Watson the benefit of the doubt. When Watson arrived for a second massage in November, she said he caught her off guard and kissed her, then asked her to focus on his buttocks and penis area. She told Watson that he was being inappropriate but did not stop the massage as she needed the money. Watson asked her to massage his penis area but she refused. Watson grew irritated and said he would pay extra. When she refused again, he pleaded "well can you do it just for me?". She refused again, so he got angry and left. A few weeks later, Watson again reached out to her asking if she was available. She told him that she would not work for him again. JANE DOE 3 First contact: December 2020 Allegations: December 28th, 2020 Credentials: Licensed Massage Therapist Summary: The recently engaged plaintiff was contacted by Watson in December 2020 to set up an appointment, which was ultimately scheduled for December 28th. The plaintiff and her mother arrived at the office before Watson so that her mother could help her set up. Her mother saw Watson walk into the building as she left. Watson quickly began aggressively dictating the massage. As she became more uncomfortable with being told to massage his buttocks, he allegedly told her made it clear that he could help, or hurt, her career. When Watson told her to massage his "inner-groin" area, she told him that she needed a special tool. He told her that he didn't want her using a tool. Plaintiff alleges that Watson became even more assertive, telling her to move her hands back to his groin area, and then telling her to brush her hand over his genitals. Plaintiff began shaking from fear, as she worried what the repercussions of upsetting him could be. Watson then verbally coerced the defendant into moving her mouth towards his penis and performing oral sex on him. Plaintiff claims she had blacked out from fear and did not consent to being put into the position that she was. After he finished, the woman says that Watson got dressed and left. Plaintiff was in so much shock that she defecated on herself before her mother picked her up. Plaintiff says she blames herself for not preventing what happened. JANE DOE 10 First contact: January 2021 Allegations: January 21st, 2021 Credentials: Licensed Massage Therapist/Business Owner Summary: The married plaintiff is a licensed massage therapist. Plaintiff has worked on other professional athletes in the past. In late January, Watson reached out to her on Instagram to book an appointment. Before the appointment, Watson insisted multiple times that the session be "private" and kept asking if anyone else would be around. Watson also asked if he needed to be covered, to which she said absolutely. During the massage, Watson made several requests for her to massage places she was not comfortable with. She eventually stepped back and made it verbally clear to Watson that this was going to remain professional. After a few minutes Watson briefly exposed his penis. She tried to tell herself it was just an innocent mistake. Eventually he started making inappropriate requests again. Plaintiff started to freak out, and Watson exposed his erection and placed it on her hand. He told her that felt good and asked her to do it again. She declined. Watson then told her in a coy tone that "I do not want to make you do anything you do not want to do". Plaintiff ended the massage and Watson left. The plaintiff claims the alleged encounter has left her with deep emotional trauma and has even impacted her marriage. JANE DOE 8 First contact: March 3rd, 2021 Allegations: March 5th, 2021 Credentials: Licensed Massage Therapist/Business Owner Summary: Plaintiff owns her own massage therapy business in Georgia. She is a single mother of two children. Watson reached out to plaintiff over Instagram DM to arrange an appointment in Atlanta. They arranged it for the 4th, but Watson did not message the plaintiff until 9PM that night and she did not feel comfortable. They agreed to do the massage the next day. Watson asked plaintiff if the suite she had rented for the massage was private. She said yes. He insisted on entering through a back door. At the start, Watson told her to remove her mask, but she refused due to COVID regulations that required her to wear it while working with a client. Watson stripped naked and got on the massage table, which made the plaintiff uncomfortable so she covered him with a sheet. Eventually he told her to remove the sheet and "get into his glutes". Plaintiff told Watson that he was not to lay on her table naked. Eventually, while still working on his glutes, Watson told her to "go deeper" and oil his buttocks. She was uncomfortable but felt she could not afford to upset Watson so she complied. Watson then flipped over and asked her to massage his testicles. She declined, but Watson removed the sheet anyway and exposed his penis to her. He then put his penis on her hand as she tried to cover him, which shocked her and made her recoil. Watson realized that the plaintiff was not going to do what he wanted, so he paid her and left. 1 Quote
Ayjent Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Guilty people don’t have the entire LAPD follow them down the highway and keep going. Guilty people don’t try to maneuver around the meaning of “sexual relations”. Guilty people don’t sit out an entire year staying relatively mum on allegations in the prime of their career. Quote
Buffalo03 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 22 hours ago, chris heff said: One woman? What about all the others? That doesn’t seem “to be fair”, strikes me as cherry picking. Did they all feel uncomfortable because of accidentally touching his penis? And why all the different masseuses? Why not hire one and put her on the payroll? I'm saying if one woman says this, then how many women could have overblown or made something more out of it than what it really was. Not saying that did happen. I'm just saying what she said makes me wonder how many other women may have embellished somewhat Quote
chris heff Posted October 5 Posted October 5 22 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: I'm saying if one woman says this, then how many women could have overblown or made something more out of it than what it really was. Not saying that did happen. I'm just saying what she said makes me wonder how many other women may have embellished somewhat You literally just said “Not saying that did happen” and then said that’s what happened. Quote
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