SCBills Posted September 30 Posted September 30 Like Lindsey Clancy, this story is falling along the same lines. Many women immediately defending the woman, with men defending the men. The whole thing is gross, but this feels alot like consensual sex with remorse. Now we have online doxxing campaigns to out the woman, given the men’s lives have been ruined based on allegations. It’s getting to a point where the millenial/gen-z male/female divide is becoming irreparable as a whole. Between dating apps/hypergamy, wildly divergent values and economic factors, we are going in a rough direction. I see the defense for the “victim” as conflicting statements, telling the men they did nothing illegal, reaching back out to some of the men and wanting to hang out with them again as trauma response… but genuine question.. if anything a woman does after an alleged rape is trauma response, what defense does a man have against false accusations? (Asking in good faith, as I’m sure there’s some validity to certain trauma responses for true rape victims)
teef Posted September 30 Posted September 30 but will this help men determine what women they should have kids with or not? that's the true concern here.
Roundybout Posted September 30 Posted September 30 The victim’s statement is rough for her case. She admits she went there consensually to have sex and agreed to a threesome. However, if she really did a ton of ketamine, that raises questions about her ability to further consent throughout the rest of the situation. Also, the texts by the frat guy are pretty gross. Just seems like a really awful situation. Some of her statement makes it sound like she’s trying to protect some of the guys because she doesn’t want them to get in trouble.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 30 Posted September 30 Woodchipper. All of em. This whole story is gross, especially the text messages. 3 minutes ago, teef said: but will this help men determine what women they should have kids with or not? that's the true concern here. Derp. 1
Rupert Posted September 30 Posted September 30 3 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Woodchipper. All of em. This whole story is gross, especially the text messages. Derp. Yes! Woodchipper time! 🤣
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 30 Posted September 30 39 minutes ago, Roundybout said: The victim’s statement is rough for her case. She admits she went there consensually to have sex and agreed to a threesome. However, if she really did a ton of ketamine, that raises questions about her ability to further consent throughout the rest of the situation. Also, the texts by the frat guy are pretty gross. Just seems like a really awful situation. Some of her statement makes it sound like she’s trying to protect some of the guys because she doesn’t want them to get in trouble. This already came up with my 16 year old daughter and I had to explain the guys being gross is not a legal liability. The fact the guys wanted to do that is a sign they are losers but unless she said gave indication that she did want to go forward, which she apparently never did, then are legally fine. Also I read that when she said no to anything the guys respected her no, which legally makes a big difference. There are plenty of scumbag guys and if you let them take advantage of you then it is on you. Obviously lying or force change the equation completely, but there is no indication they do either of those. 1
yall Posted September 30 Posted September 30 I don't really see a lot of men online defending these guys, as much as I see them avoiding a rush to judgment. With that being said, it does look like Cornell did a terrible job of sharing information with law enforcement that probably would have led to a more in-depth investigation. Specifically her original statement appears to include an assertion that in spite of the initial consensual encounters felt that she was 100% raped after. That alone should have led to more police involvement, and if it was intentionally left out, as is being said now, is definitely an indictment of the University. 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 30 Posted September 30 from the legal filing https://www.thecornell7.org/team-4
Roundybout Posted September 30 Posted September 30 47 minutes ago, yall said: I don't really see a lot of men online defending these guys, as much as I see them avoiding a rush to judgment. With that being said, it does look like Cornell did a terrible job of sharing information with law enforcement that probably would have led to a more in-depth investigation. Specifically her original statement appears to include an assertion that in spite of the initial consensual encounters felt that she was 100% raped after. That alone should have led to more police involvement, and if it was intentionally left out, as is being said now, is definitely an indictment of the University. Once the ketamine came out, I have no doubt that it became rape. There’s no way she could have consented past that point IMO.
The Frankish Reich Posted September 30 Posted September 30 Frat culture is out of control. Penn State. Cornell (whether this was "rape" or not) Our universities just need to move on from this relic. At least our so-called elite universities; we'll have to wait a century or two for Alabama. 3
Roundybout Posted September 30 Posted September 30 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Frat culture is out of control. Penn State. Cornell (whether this was "rape" or not) Our universities just need to move on from this relic. At least our so-called elite universities; we'll have to wait a century or two for Alabama. Hell, a kid drank himself to death during a hazing ritual at UB not too long ago. I think that frat was banned and the leader got some jail time for manslaughter.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 30 Posted September 30 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Frat culture is out of control. Penn State. Cornell (whether this was "rape" or not) Our universities just need to move on from this relic. At least our so-called elite universities; we'll have to wait a century or two for Alabama. Roll tide!!! 1
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 30 Posted September 30 Cornell owns that county, the should have to bring a DA from another county to look at the case 1
milfandcookies Posted October 1 Posted October 1 7 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Frat culture is out of control. Penn State. Cornell (whether this was "rape" or not) Our universities just need to move on from this relic. At least our so-called elite universities; we'll have to wait a century or two for Alabama. yeah F Greek life. What a scam anyway, paying money for friendship 3
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 1 Posted October 1 28 minutes ago, milfandcookies said: yeah F Greek life. What a scam anyway, paying money for friendship they represent much of the American ethos: intense competition with very high priorities on attractiveness, wealth and connections. they should be banned but that would only put off the game for a few years until it hits in the real world.
SCBills Posted October 1 Author Posted October 1 11 hours ago, Roundybout said: Once the ketamine came out, I have no doubt that it became rape. There’s no way she could have consented past that point IMO. So if a man and woman do ketamine together, anything that happens after could be construed as rape by the man? Any other drugs men should avoid taking with women for all her actions thereafter become null and void? 1
teef Posted October 1 Posted October 1 6 hours ago, SCBills said: So if a man and woman do ketamine together, anything that happens after could be construed as rape by the man? Any other drugs men should avoid taking with women for all her actions thereafter become null and void? I don’t know the in and out with this case, nor am I defending either side, but you’re referring to a couple doing drugs together to have some fun. This wasn’t that. It’s was at a fraternity house, with multiple guys having sex with one girl. Bring ketamine into that equation, and it’s not nearly the same situation you’re describing. why is it always men vs women with you? I really don’t see a divide you think there is on this.
SCBills Posted October 1 Author Posted October 1 1 hour ago, teef said: I don’t know the in and out with this case, nor am I defending either side, but you’re referring to a couple doing drugs together to have some fun. This wasn’t that. It’s was at a fraternity house, with multiple guys having sex with one girl. Bring ketamine into that equation, and it’s not nearly the same situation you’re describing. why is it always men vs women with you? I really don’t see a divide you think there is on this. She snorted K off a dudes d**k.. this was hardly forced. And by her own admission, she was more with it than half the guys she had sex with.
SectionC3 Posted October 1 Posted October 1 The whole thing is gross. The facts should play out. I'll reserve judgment but, based on what I've seen so far (very little), I wouldn't have charged the case. It's too hazy and muddy. That said, the behavior of the "gentlemen" involved in this is despicable. Particularly the text messages. I just don't know if it crosses the line from immorality to illegality. 14 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Cornell owns that county, the should have to bring a DA from another county to look at the case I'm not gonna go there. I won't question the impartiality of that DA until there's a reason to do so. The whole thing is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" mess. 1
teef Posted October 1 Posted October 1 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: She snorted K off a dudes d**k.. this was hardly forced. And by her own admission, she was more with it than half the guys she had sex with. . i'm not defending her. i just responded to your comments on drug use. do you really not understand how ketamine in that situation can turn into something other than consensual sex. the scenario could be she was willing to do the drug, have the sex, etc. but if that ketamine incapacitate the girl and random guys continue to have sex with her without her consent, that's technically rape.
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