Chandler#81 Posted September 1 Posted September 1 Ralph is cheap? Ever heard of Harvey Johnson? He was one of Ralph Wilson’s best friends -only. Ralph hired him as Head Coach though he NEVER coached a team! Not even Little League. He was an abomination as a coach. Worse yet, Ralph hired him again a couple years later. Can you guess what happened then? Lou Saban called him cheap. Chuck Knox called him cheap. Joe Cribbs called him cheap and quit, joining a new League. Ergo, ‘Ralph is cheap’ is what fans of them say every single time we haven’t signed anybody good. Ralph’s been dead 15 plus years but his ‘legacy’ lives on . 1 1 2 Quote
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 1 Posted September 1 Although I do not remember exactly when is started, I know the origin was Ralph... being cheap. 2 Quote
machine gun kelly Posted September 1 Posted September 1 7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Ralph is cheap? Ever heard of Harvey Johnson? He was one of Ralph Wilson’s best friends -only. Ralph hired him as Head Coach though he NEVER coached a team! Not even Little League. He was an abomination as a coach. Worse yet, Ralph hired him again a couple years later. Can you guess what happened then? Lou Saban called him cheap. Chuck Knox called him cheap. Joe Cribbs called him cheap and quit, joining a new League. Ergo, ‘Ralph is cheap’ is what fans of them say every single time we haven’t signed anybody good. Ralph’s been dead 15 plus years but his ‘legacy’ lives on . Chandman, thanks for the anecdote. I never knew about Coach Harvey Johnson. I had to look it up. I guess 1968 and 1971. I do remember Saban, Knox, and Cribbs calling him cheap. Johnson was before my time. 1 Quote
Spiderweb Posted September 1 Posted September 1 On 8/30/2026 at 3:30 PM, Professor Worthington said: Just curious. Anyone know? Well, let's see. Ralph Wilson was born in........ Quote
Gregg Posted September 1 Posted September 1 There was an interview in 1975 with OJ, and he said that team was very close to competing for a Super Bowl if they had a few more pieces. He didn't say Ralph was cheap as you don't insult the boss, but he implied it. My first memory of Ralph not spending was on Cribbs and Knox and letting them walk. I will forever be grateful to Ralph. Without Ralph Wilson there is no Buffalo Bills. He is/was/and always will be the #1 most important person in Bills history. Nothing will ever change that not even #17 1 1 Quote
Just in Atlanta Posted September 1 Posted September 1 According to Wikipedia, Ralph didn't flush after No. 1 to save money, opting for "if it's yellow let it mellow". 2 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted September 1 Posted September 1 18 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Ralph is cheap? Ever heard of Harvey Johnson? He was one of Ralph Wilson’s best friends -only. Ralph hired him as Head Coach though he NEVER coached a team! Not even Little League. He was an abomination as a coach. Worse yet, Ralph hired him again a couple years later. Can you guess what happened then? Lou Saban called him cheap. Chuck Knox called him cheap. Joe Cribbs called him cheap and quit, joining a new League. Ergo, ‘Ralph is cheap’ is what fans of them say every single time we haven’t signed anybody good. Ralph’s been dead 15 plus years but his ‘legacy’ lives on . Harvey Johnson was definitely a coach before he coached the bills Wasn't great for the bills but he definitely coached in the CFL 1 1 Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted September 1 Posted September 1 Here's what I remember from my days in WNY in the 70s & early 80s. Ralph wouldn't spend money. The team would suck, attendance became an embarrassment, Ralph would spend money, the team got better & then he cheaped out again & the team sucked again, attendance fell and the team became an embarrassment with the Bills becoming the league's laughingstock. Back in 1977 I lived a mile & a half from the stadium, would drive by on gameday & saw a mostly empty stadium. Then he dipped into his wallet & hired Chuck Knox, who I've read was furious when Ralph wouldn't pay Tom Cousineau enough to keep him from signing with the CFL. That was really the beginning of the end for Knox, even though he lasted through 1982. The Bills are still the only NFL team to lose the league's top pick to the CFL. Then when the USFL came along he lost Cribbs & Kelly. By the end of 1984 the attendance was down-less than 40,000 per game & once again Ralph realized his team was the leagues laughingstock & that he had to spend $. He got lucky with Polian, who was always intent on bringing in Marv, and even then Marv came relatively cheap. Then when the team got good, Ralph opened up his wallet, but by then his reputation as a cheapskate was well earned. 1 Quote
Chandler#81 Posted September 1 Posted September 1 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Harvey Johnson was definitely a coach before he coached the bills Wasn't great for the bills but he definitely coached in the CFL Head Coach in the early 60’s in the CFL is akin to never being a HC. Juss sayin’ 1 Quote
TH3 Posted September 1 Posted September 1 (edited) On 8/30/2026 at 3:30 PM, Professor Worthington said: Just curious. Anyone know? Polian was GM and Jamie Mueller had a neck injury and was due an injury settlement. RW refused to pay it and BP said it would be tough to sign FAs if the word got it. BP quit over this. Edited September 1 by TH3 1 Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 1 Posted September 1 There are a few paraphrases of the sentiment here at 'The Stadium Wall' as early as 2005 and 2006. A fairly intense exchange took place in 2010 between 'pro' and 'anti' Ralph partisans. Load "Ralph is cheap" in 'The Stadium Wall Archives'; look way at the back. Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted September 1 Posted September 1 41 minutes ago, TH3 said: Polian was GM and Jamie Mueller had a neck injury and was due an injury settlement. RW refused to pay it and BP said it would be tough to sign FAs if the word got it. BP quit over this. Polian was fired for criticizing Ralph's daughter. He didn't quit. 1 Quote
machine gun kelly Posted September 1 Posted September 1 4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Harvey Johnson was definitely a coach before he coached the bills Wasn't great for the bills but he definitely coached in the CFL Yep, just look it up on wiki. I looked it up at 5 am this morning. He was a position coach in college, etc. back in the 50’s. He also was a position coach and coordinator in the 60’s for the bills before he received the nod from Ralph. im not judging Ralph as we don’t have a BUFFALO Bills team without him. For that alone I’m eternally grateful. Quote
Utah John Posted September 1 Posted September 1 On 8/30/2026 at 2:40 PM, Neo said: With the assistance of Google …. During the late 2000s and early 2010s playoff drought, the Bills consistently operated far below the league maximum. For instance, in 2011, the Bills sat more than $20 million under the salary cap. Critics noted that while other owners spent heavily up to the cap limit to secure depth, Wilson frequently ran the team using a "cash-to-cap" deficit, which limited the roster's competitiveness. Wilson rarely broke the bank for premier head coaches or front-office executives, often hiring lesser-known or inexpensive candidates. Hall of Fame General Manager Bill Polian was famously let go in 1992 following a money dispute, after which he went on to build Super Bowl teams elsewhere. When head coaching vacancies opened, Wilson routinely bypassed highly sought-after, expensive targets like Mike Shanahan or Bill Cowher, opting instead for lower-cost internal promotions or budget-friendly options. O.J. Simpson (1976): When Simpson demanded a higher contract, Wilson balked at the price. Simpson openly threatened to retire and pursue a Hollywood movie career before a deal was finally reached. Jason Peters (2009): One of the best left tackles in franchise history held out for a premium contract extension. Wilson refused to pay top dollar for a premier lineman, resulting in Peters being traded away to the Philadelphia Eagles. I would add: Wilson’s CFO, Littman, who spoke “income statement,” was often the voice in the press discussing decisions and circumstances. It was Littman who had Wilson's ear, and who convinced him to stay within a low, artificial budget that other teams didn't worry about. 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: There are a few paraphrases of the sentiment here at 'The Stadium Wall' as early as 2005 and 2006. A fairly intense exchange took place in 2010 between 'pro' and 'anti' Ralph partisans. Load "Ralph is cheap" in 'The Stadium Wall Archives'; look way at the back. It started way before that. I was active on this board under a different name in the 90s, and we were all upset that the Bills were letting their great team fall apart. At the same time that Jerry Jones was using all the cash he had coming in from his team's popularity to push contracts out into the future to stay under the cap each year, Ralph was not doing that. The Bills were at an extreme disadvantage against the Cowboys expensive roster. 1 1 Quote
Snappysnackcakes Posted September 2 Posted September 2 On 8/30/2026 at 3:49 PM, PromoTheRobot said: To be fair, Ralph had money but he wasn't the kind of rich that could afford to lose millions year after year. But yeah, he was cheap. Bingo. Ralph was an insurance guy - not a generationally wealthy person. The team, owning a team worth hundreds of millions of dollars, was largely his net worth. He didn’t have cash lying around to play with. Most of the original AFL owners were like this. Hell, Ralph kept the Raiders afloat and he did it because he likely understood that if just one franchise folded, the whole AFL likely would. The league was a start up. I am conflicted when I look back. On one hand, he could’ve bailed on the city. He didn’t. On the other hand, he could’ve done some borrowing to be more competitive, but that’s not the way an “insurance man” is gonna operate. And on the last hand, he granted the greater Buffalo area with a fast-acting and extensive set of grants that significantly helped to improve the lives of the people who he loved. He witnessed his daughter, who was a quasi SCOUT for the team, be guided through a terminal illness by the hospice community in Buffalo. That likely had a great deal to do with many decisions that he made later during his ownership. Sorry for the ramble, and I do think a great documentary could be made about Ralph, his daughter’s life and contributions, and what ultimately transpired to shape what the team is now. not checking for grammar issues that I may have, just fyi Quote
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