Training Camp - Day 5 (please keep commentary TC-related)

[eball]

16 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

We often convince ourselves that what we have is good. We did it through the drought. Moore is a legit NFL WR. He is a good one. You had a bunch of 3’s and below. Josh elevated them. Now, you have a legit, borderline 1, and he looks like a superstar. Moore can play. The difference between him and guys that have played on the boundary is noticeable. 

 

I do think a healthy Palmer is better than a 3.

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

6 hours ago, SCBills said:

Knock on Wood 🪵 

 

This is insane..

 

 

I havent read all the responses but undoubtedly someone will eventually blame McD for all the injuries last year, he was too conservative, etc etc etc.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[BillsShredder83]

6 hours ago, The Wiz said:

 

Interesting: "Keon Coleman went 4 for 4 vs Max Hairston".

 

I'm not going to read into it at all, especially on Max's end... but thats probably a bad matchup for Max... def an interesting one.  A ton of length (and physicality advantage in an in ideal scenario for Keon).

 

Thats a matchup style Keon is likely to see quite a bit ---> learn how to get open vs smaller faster guy... and learning how to use that frame.

 

A matchup of styles Max is much less likely to be in, and a chance to round out his game.

 

A great way for Josh to learn how to use Keon to his advantages.

[BuffaloBillyG]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Wait til we find out "Pop Warner" is a WR screen to Shakir. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Interesting: "Keon Coleman went 4 for 4 vs Max Hairston".

 

I'm not going to read into it at all, especially on Max's end... but thats probably a bad matchup for Max... def an interesting one.  A ton of length (and physicality advantage in an in ideal scenario for Keon).

 

Thats a matchup style Keon is likely to see quite a bit ---> learn how to get open vs smaller faster guy... and learning how to use that frame.

 

A matchup of styles Max is much less likely to be in, and a chance to round out his game.

 

A great way for Josh to learn how to use Keon to his advantages.

These drills the advantage is 100% to the wide receiver 

 

10 other people are impacting the play in a real game... These drills the wide receiver is at a distinct advantage

 

Linebackers and running backs in their drill is much more even in setup

Edited August 4 by Buffalo716

[YoloinOhio]

 

I’m weak 😂

 

 

[Malazan]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I overheard him say he wants to be the very best like no one ever was.. he wants to catch all the balls.. training is his cause.. he will travel across the land.. searching out ball carrier far and wide.. he will make the opposing offense understand.. the power that's inside

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

 

 

Brandin Cooks really stepped in here and the least ideal way possible last year... and Josh treated that like a kid in the candy shop late last year.... even despite issues with drops/being on the wrong page with a mid-season acquisition.  Despite that, man that was fun to watch..... but HOLY S*** what a massive upgrade in so many different levels for Josh top get DJ, with a full TC.

 

I expect big things outta them, but am low-key hoping this duo curb stomps the Josh/Stef 2020 connection.  I dont expect it, but it also won't surprise me.  He's gotta feel like a different man after 3years with no real primary receiver... figuring out how to make that work... and now getting one back.  That's a huge mental boost, only difference is Josh is a savvy vet this time.

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, The Wiz said:

 

Alright guys, be honest.....did it move?

[YoloinOhio]

The baby left Josh hanging 🤣

Thad not buying the KEO hype!

 

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

These drills the advantage is 100% to the wide receiver 

 

10 other people are impacting the play in a real game... These drills the wide receiver is at a distinct advantage

 

Linebackers and running backs in their drill is much more even in setup

i'd say 1v1s the advantage is more to the QB tbh which in theory helps the WR but it's still skill on skill wideout vs corner

 

as a former DB i used to like 1v1s because it was pure test of skill...you're in man the whole time and you don't have to worry about zones or backfield responsibilities, you can just focus on technique jamming release/leveraging in phase/impacting catchpoint

 

it would be great to see those hairston/coleman reps tbh. i still don't love coleman's footwork w the false steps and being so wide at release that if hairston's in tight he should be able to win..if he's playing a little off coleman would have an easier time of it in theory. then at catch point it's ball skills and who wants it more and i'd give advantage to coleman again there

 

iirc hairston had a few reps vs tee higgins where he did well using his quickness staying connected on shorter routes...got a little exposed vs the longer WR when asked to cover deeper

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

have to wonder what these guys were expecting esp after seeing the wideouts we've had post Diggs

DJ Moore is a legit NFL talent

 

Moore was being judged by what he did with lesser QB talent. I'm sure he's just a pumped to be playing with league MVP at QB.

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I don't know. Joe Marino had some fantasy guy on his podcast recently. He railed against Beane for not investing in weapons around Allen, and then in the same breath called the DJ Moore trade a huge overpay made out of desperation. I really don't get it. Either you pay a premium for talent or you don't have talent. Admittedly Moore has exceeded even my own high expectations, his production his last year in Chicago made me wonder if he had fallen off a bit, but instead he seems to be in the best shape of his life and immediately has become Allen's go-to guy.

 

My point being made. Telling me what stats say is not judging talent.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Moore was being judged by what he did with lesser QB talent. I'm sure he's just a pumped to be playing with league MVP at QB.

 

My point being made. Telling me what stats say is not judging talent.

these guys watch enough football that they should have known who DJ Moore was

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

It is a theme this off-season of protecting players. I'm not sure I like it but you gotta say they have planned it all along. Shorter practices, bringing along Bernard and Williams slowly, half day Pads on before full pads on. I'd think, especially on defense side, with the scheme change and so many 1st &2nd year players, you want more on-field game-like practices. But they clearly identified player health as a top issue and tried something different with Brady at the helm. 

 

No one know if it works. We do what did not work. And we don't know the impact either --- readiness of the players at the beginning of the season, etc.

History/military almost always shows the same thing --- the more a group suffers together and the harsher the battle/war, the tighter the comradery gets among the guys stuck in it.  You can take everything else away - even getting individual morale to near 0, and comradery will be the last last to take a hit (thats IF it does at all).

 

With that said, I know whatever TF we have been doing the last 5+ years is the exact polar opposite of how we should be structuring our TC & practices.  Only the guys inside that building know what that looks like.  The league is different than it used to be, and I suspect:

 

1. the demands of college ball have already shortened players shelf-lives, by the time they've made it here.  

2. 17 game schedules

3. 7+ years of deep playoff runs have added up to an extra full season of ball, over that same time frame

 

There are certainly trade-offs in sliding that balance one way or the other.  It's up to Coaches to find unique ways to push these athletes physically/mentally, without breaking them.  I cant believe im saying this, but I would rather have this team healthy and a bit behind in the early part season, as opposed to running on fumes going into December.

 

TLDR: WHATEVER TF WE'VE BEEN DOING, HAS NOOOOOOT WORKED.  BRADY HAS THE UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE OF SEEING THOSE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.  I'M HOPING MAJOR CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO PRACTICE HABITS

[HappyDays]

43 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The baby left Josh hanging 🤣

Thad not buying the KEO hype!

 

 

I don't know what Thad is talking about. I just listened to Joe Marino's recap of today's practice and he said KEO was lockdown in his 1v1 drills including a really nice rep against Cook. I saw that sentiment echoed by others who attended.

 

 

[eball]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I havent read all the responses but undoubtedly someone will eventually blame McD for all the injuries last year, he was too conservative, etc etc etc.

 

Ha ha, no, but Brady is definitely changing the way things are being done at camp and thus far, there are fewer soft tissue injuries. I'm not going to be so bold as to draw a direct correlation but if it continues, one should wonder...

 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Interesting: "Keon Coleman went 4 for 4 vs Max Hairston".

 

I'm not going to read into it at all, especially on Max's end... but thats probably a bad matchup for Max... def an interesting one.  A ton of length (and physicality advantage in an in ideal scenario for Keon).

 

Thats a matchup style Keon is likely to see quite a bit ---> learn how to get open vs smaller faster guy... and learning how to use that frame.

 

A matchup of styles Max is much less likely to be in, and a chance to round out his game.

 

A great way for Josh to learn how to use Keon to his advantages.

Good to see for Keon, considering 4’10 Michael Carter clamped him last year. 

[Einstein]

Just now, eball said:

 

Ha ha, no, but Brady is definitely changing the way things are being done at camp and thus far, there are fewer soft tissue injuries. I'm not going to be so bold as to draw a direct correlation but if it continues, one should wonder...

 

I haven't been following camp as closely as I typically do - what has he changed?