McDermott poking around the Rams practices

[Rochesterfan]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He also had, THE WORST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL in playoff losses. When you have Josh Allen, you will always play in those games. When you have Sean McDermott, you’ll always give up lots of points in those games. There’s no need for some 5 paragraph response defending him. That just is what it is and that’s why he’s gone. We are better off for it…

We have no idea if we are better off for it.  
 

We are different for it, but better off will be determined if and only if Brady can exceed what McD did.  At this point he is 0-0 with no playoff wins.

 

When you have Mahomes - you will always play in those games until you don’t.  If you have Burrows or Lamar you will always play in those games until you don’t.  
 

Are we better for the change if we end the season 9-8 and miss the playoffs or 10-7 and the 6 seed and lose in wild card weekend?  We might be better or not that comes down the road.

[SunDSolar]

Mcdermott "Well Sean, I know you got Myles Garrett, but you want to make sure he seals that edge on 1st and 2nd down.  I know this will limit Myles sack numbers but you don't ever allow that C or D gap to be wide open."

 

Mcvay "get out"

[RichStadiumGuy]

16 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Where is her right hand ?

It's busy hanging onto the cash it grabbed from his wallet.

[nuklz2594]

next tar heels hc

[BuffaloBillyG]

With the thread title change, I believe it's important to verbalize the McDermott has NOT been hired by the Rams in any capacity.

[Sierra Foothills]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

With the thread title change, I believe it's important to verbalize the McDermott has NOT been hired by the Rams in any capacity.

 

From your device to @Chandler#81's ears.

 

[Admiral Sean]

10 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

The worst playoff defense in NFL history by points allowed in a single postseason belongs to the 1992 Buffalo Bills, who gave up a staggering 103 points across four games.

 

The worst defensive performance in a single NFL playoff game belongs to the Washington Redskins, who allowed 73 points in a 73-0 loss to the Chicago Bears in the 1940 NFL Championship game. 

 

Worst Playoff Defenses by Points Allowed in a Game

Washington Redskins (1940): Allowed 73 points (Lost 73-0 vs. Chicago Bears)

Miami Dolphins (1966): Allowed 62 points (Lost 62-7 vs. Oakland Raiders)

Cleveland Browns (1958): Allowed 59 points (Lost 59-14 vs. New York Giants)

Detroit Lions (1995): Allowed 58 points (Lost 58-37 vs. Philadelphia Eagles)

 

More recently: Aaron Rodgers Losses: Statistically, his defenses gave up roughly 33.8 to 37.6 points per game across his playoff losses. 

 

90 of those points came in 2 games.

 

in our two away games we gave up 13 points total.

[Puckman5]

22 hours ago, Blank Stare said:

Finally get those hands on Myles Garrett. 
 

Good ol "Gap Control Garrett".  

[Ray Stonada]

Maybe someone should change the post title... seems it was a joke tweet.

[BillsVet]

I don't begrudge McD for wanting to be close to NFL football this season in some capacity, even if just during camp.  Makes sense for someone who's been employed by a team every season since 1999.

 

Still believe he has to rehabilitate himself, his coaching strategy, and understand the offensive side of the game in whatever role he takes next.  And McVay's probably the best to show him that.  I still think McD has a longer runway to getting back to being a HC than some here believe. 

 

 

[Wintermute]

He has not been hired by anyone, where did we get that bit of "news" 

[pennstate10]

1 hour ago, Ray Stonada said:

Maybe someone should change the post title... seems it was a joke tweet.

Seems like a good idea to me

[Kirby Jackson]

11 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

We have no idea if we are better off for it.  
 

We are different for it, but better off will be determined if and only if Brady can exceed what McD did.  At this point he is 0-0 with no playoff wins.

 

When you have Mahomes - you will always play in those games until you don’t.  If you have Burrows or Lamar you will always play in those games until you don’t.  
 

Are we better for the change if we end the season 9-8 and miss the playoffs or 10-7 and the 6 seed and lose in wild card weekend?  We might be better or not that comes down the road.

Fair and I should have chosen the words more carefully. We have no idea if Brady is the answer. We do know, after 9 years, and consecutive playoff losses where YOUR defense gave up 38, 42, 27, 27, 32, & 33 that a change was necessary. I would have cleaned house but some change was better than the status quo of the last bunch of years.

 

McDermott’s legacy is largely a question mark despite his record. I don’t think anyone says, “they were always good BECAUSE of him.” He was generally considered a decent coach but never considered with the elites. If the Bills go 10-7, look sluggish and get bounced in the WC, his stock will go up. If the Bills go 14-3, secure the 1 seed and go to a Super Bowl, his stock will tank. In my opinion, that’s kind of the spread on possible outcomes (assuming 17 is healthy). 

[DrDawkinstein]

Pretty sure he's there to learn more than to teach/advise. He also needs to expand his coaching network for the next time he gets a HC opportunity. That was the big knock on him and Tomlin (and even Harbaugh to an extent), they had run out of guys to hire.

 

Good luck, Sean

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Pretty sure he's there to learn more than to teach/advise. He also needs to expand his coaching network for the next time he gets a HC opportunity. That was the big knock on him and Tomlin (and even Harbaugh to an extent), they had run out of guys to hire.

 

Good luck, Sean

 

Definitely think that is the case. He was hurt a bit by a the fact a lot of the vet guys he knew from Philly, Andy Reid had first call on. So his staff was pretty much built from Carolina and that was not an all star staff. I definitely think he needs a wider pool of assistants to draw from. You can argue two of his more successful hires - Daboll and Brady - were guys he didn't know that well who were recommended to him by others. 

Edited Sunday at 03:35 PM by GunnerBill

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

12 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

It's true. And he has one thing in common with all those guys that might give him a shot. 

 

I assume that thing is not winning a SB which is true.  But how many prior SB winning coaches are available to be hired?  BB is there, but he's lost his luster once Brady was gone.  For the most part it's names that have truly retired from the game that I can think of.  Am I missing someone?

 

So since not easy to hire a prior SB winning coach you do the next best thing, hire winning re-treads.

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I assume that thing is not winning a SB which is true.  But how many prior SB winning coaches are available to be hired?  BB is there, but he's lost his luster once Brady was gone.  For the most part it's names that have truly retired from the game that I can think of.  Am I missing someone?

 

So since not easy to hire a prior SB winning coach you do the next best thing, hire winning re-treads.

Tomlin, Pederson, Belichick and (gasp) Gruden are the others that could still be looking at a job. There’s always rumors that Sirianni could be done.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Tomlin, Pederson, Belichick and (gasp) Gruden are the others that could still be looking at a job. There’s always rumors that Sirianni could be done.

 

IMO the game has passed Tomlin by, Pederson flamed out in 2nd gig so makes you wonder was he just lucky first time around?  At his point have to question if all the BB talk of greatness was just really all Brady.  Gruden won in Tampa, but with most of Dungy's roster and didn't do much after that.  He had two good years in Oakland before Tampa and the SB year.

 

Tomlin and BB were repeated winners, but dropped off late in career significantly  and other two I see as more flash in the pan.

 

So of the names you list personally if I were hiring a HC, I'd go with McD over any of those names and at the least, don't view the others as guaranteed to do better.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

IMO the game has passed Tomlin by, Pederson flamed out in 2nd gig so makes you wonder was he just lucky first time around?  At his point have to question if all the BB talk of greatness was just really all Brady.  Gruden won in Tampa, but with most of Dungy's roster and didn't do much after that.  He had two good years in Oakland before Tampa and the SB year.

 

Tomlin and BB were repeated winners, but dropped off late in career significantly  and other two I see as more flash in the pan.

 

So of the names you list personally if I were hiring a HC, I'd go with McD over any of those names and at the least, don't view the others as guaranteed to do better.

Oh to be clear, I wouldn’t want any of those guys. I was just listing Super Bowl winning coaches that could still consider a job. 
 

If my team/organization was a disaster McDermott would be at the top of my list. He’s a good program builder. If you’re a contender that replaces their HC, you shouldn’t consider him with his playoff collapses. If he couldn’t win with Josh Allen how is he going to do it with _____? I also think that a team looking at a young QB shouldn’t disqualify McDermott as a candidate because he’s a defensive guy. He was the HC when Josh developed. We don’t know how much credit he deserves for that but it is more than zero. 

Edited Sunday at 08:29 PM by Kirby Jackson

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Definitely think that is the case. He was hurt a bit by a the fact a lot of the vet guys he knew from Philly, Andy Reid had first call on. So his staff was pretty much built from Carolina and that was not an all star staff. I definitely think he needs a wider pool of assistants to draw from. You can argue two of his more successful hires - Daboll and Brady - were guys he didn't know that well who were recommended to him by others. 

 

Yep. Its why folks were encouraging Tomlin to get into media. So he could tour around every week in the pre-production meetings and meet all the different teams and coaches and expand his network.