DJ Moore route tree and success the past two years

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I would be worried if the plan seemed to be "Chuck it to Moore every passing play" 

 

It's not. This is a rich man's version of what Amari Cooper was back in 2024. The team has plenty of supporting pieces. "Everybody eats" was trying to make a WR room of all supporting pieces. Oh, the things that Moore does best is to line up on the left half of the field and beat man coverage deep? Great. He could do only that and it would unlock Shakir and Kincaid.

[MJS]

On 7/22/2026 at 10:13 PM, Mikie2times said:

Caleb is the closest thing to Allen in the NFL. 

Except he is very inaccurate, terrible at reading defenses or finding open receivers, and isn't even a fraction of the runner that Allen is. Not to mention that he is small compared to Allen (only 6'1" and 220 pounds). So, no, I would not compare him to Allen at all, actually. He reminds me more of Baker Mayfield, but Mayfield is more mobile and more accurate.

[Mikie2times]

21 minutes ago, MJS said:

Except he is very inaccurate, terrible at reading defenses or finding open receivers, and isn't even a fraction of the runner that Allen is. Not to mention that he is small compared to Allen (only 6'1" and 220 pounds). So, no, I would not compare him to Allen at all, actually. He reminds me more of Baker Mayfield, but Mayfield is more mobile and more accurate.

 

He's a playmaker. Like Allen. Nobody else in the NFL can make the plays Allen makes including Williams, but nobody else in the NFL is making a lot of the play Williams makes now. Saying Baker is more mobile than Williams pretty much tells me all I need to know about the quality of your opinions. 

 

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

He's a playmaker. Like Allen. Nobody else in the NFL can make the plays Allen makes including Williams, but nobody else in the NFL is making a lot of the play Williams makes now. Saying Baker is more mobile than Williams pretty much tells me all I need to know about the quality of your opinions. 

 

There are a lot of playmakers in the league. None of them are like Allen.

 

Baker Mayfield has nearly 1,000 yards rushing and 5 rushing TD's over the last three seasons in Tampa, and he gets outside the pocket a lot to extend plays. That's pretty similar to Caleb Williams.

[White Linen]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

There are a lot of playmakers in the league. None of them are like Allen.

 

Baker Mayfield has nearly 1,000 yards rushing and 5 rushing TD's over the last three seasons in Tampa, and he gets outside the pocket a lot to extend plays. That's pretty similar to Caleb Williams.

 

He's a much closer comparison to Baker than the unicorn that is Josh Allen.  

 

"No one makes plays like the second best playmaker in Williams.". Lamar - Mahomes

 

All these QB's are excellent playmakers including Williams.  There's just a "something or somethings" else, Allen does that all of them can't.  Then there's nothing each of them do, that he can't.

 

My point and I think you agree.  Compare Williams to other QB's way before you get to Allen.

[Mikie2times]

27 minutes ago, MJS said:

There are a lot of playmakers in the league. None of them are like Allen.

 

Baker Mayfield has nearly 1,000 yards rushing and 5 rushing TD's over the last three seasons in Tampa, and he gets outside the pocket a lot to extend plays. That's pretty similar to Caleb Williams.

Baker had 571 yards rushing his first 4 years and 53 first down. 

Williams has 877 yards rushing his first 2 years and 55 first downs. 

 

It's not close. 

 

 

19 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

He's a much closer comparison to Baker than the unicorn that is Josh Allen.  

 

"No one makes plays like the second best playmaker in Williams.". Lamar - Mahomes

 

All these QB's are excellent playmakers including Williams.  There's just a "something or somethings" else, Allen does that all of them can't.  Then there's nothing each of them do, that he can't.

 

My point and I think you agree.  Compare Williams to other QB's way before you get to Allen.

Lamar is a pure mobile QB. It's a completely different playmaking style vs Allen. Totally different players. Mahomes is closer, but not making some of the scramble drill throws Williams made last year. I feel like people didn't actually watch Caleb last year. It was constant adlibbing, winging balls in scramble drills that's seemed uncatchable, yet his guy often came down with it. If you don't feel this way yet give it until the end of the season. 

[MJS]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

Baker had 571 yards rushing his first 4 years and 53 first down. 

Williams has 877 yards rushing his first 2 years and 55 first downs. 

 

It's not close. 

 

 

And? I'm not comparing his first few years. Mayfield played with a bunch of bad organizations and bounced around until he got to Tampa and his career took off from there. He has showcased his abilities the past few years. He has had nearly 400 yards rushing each of the past two seasons. Mayfield and Williams have almost identical rush success percentages. Mayfield has been yards per attempt than Williams. Plus, stylistically as a passer Mayfield extends plays and makes off script plays all the time. Mayfield is a better passer than Williams.

 

The point is that Williams and Allen should not be compared because there is no real comparison between the two. Caleb Williams is nowhere close. There are other QBs who are better comparisons.

[Mikie2times]

21 minutes ago, MJS said:

And? I'm not comparing his first few years. Mayfield played with a bunch of bad organizations and bounced around until he got to Tampa and his career took off from there. He has showcased his abilities the past few years. He has had nearly 400 yards rushing each of the past two seasons. Mayfield and Williams have almost identical rush success percentages. Mayfield has been yards per attempt than Williams. Plus, stylistically as a passer Mayfield extends plays and makes off script plays all the time. Mayfield is a better passer than Williams.

 

The point is that Williams and Allen should not be compared because there is no real comparison between the two. Caleb Williams is nowhere close. There are other QBs who are better comparisons.

So Mayfield discovered his ability to run when he joined a good organization? You're right, it isn't close. We are a mile apart here. That's fine. 

[Ayjent]

I think that there is some desire to have Moore mentor Coleman to an extent and utilize both in the red zone.  If you look at the Bills weapons they are built to be effective in the red zone, and adding Moore makes them more dynamic outside.  I think this also opens up the passing game in other ways as well, especially with the RBs, and I expect Bell to be someone they utilize on the outside opposite Moore when teams try to play the Bills without respecting the boundary last year.  The Houston game should be a good barometer of what impact the revamped WR room has right off the bat.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

So Mayfield discovered his ability to run when he joined a good organization? You're right, it isn't close. We are a mile apart here. That's fine. 

Apparently he did. Or had more freedom to.

[TheBrownBear]

On 7/23/2026 at 8:28 AM, 2003Contenders said:

The biggest issue with DJ Moore last season is that he was phased out of the play-calling in Chicago and only had 81 passes thrown his way. On those 81 targets he caught 50 of them for 682 yards and 6 TDs. So he was pretty good when he WAS targeted.

 

The premium receivers in the league last season (Nacua and JSN) accounted for double that number of targets. If you do double Moore's volume that places him on a pace of 100 receptions for 1364 yards and 12 TDs. Maybe not Nacua, JSN or Chase territory, but in the same spectrum as guys like Amon Ra and Olave.  That target range also happens to correlate to Diggs' consistent production as he had between 153 and 164 targets in each of his 4 years in Buffalo. Obviously that would represent the up-side of Moore's production as I doubt he sees the volume in this offense that a prime Diggs saw a number of years ago. Moore's own high-water mark was 162 targets back in 2021, so it is admittedly a stretch to believe that he could hit close to that mark in his age-30 season. 

 

Moore was 12th in targets, but 29th in receiving yardage in 2024.  That's probably why they dialed him back and sought out different receiving options in '25. He seems to clearly be tracking downwards the past two seasons.  I seem him as being a similar addition as Amari Cooper was in 2024.  Hope I'm wrong, but my money would be on a 40-50 catch, 600 yards type of season (optimistic estimate is 65/800). 

[colin]

5 hours ago, sven233 said:

The Bears slowly phased Moore out of the offense the last couple years with the additions of the young WRs and, of course, Caleb Williams who is not the best QB in the world.  However, what I found interesting is that when it was nut cutting time in the Playoffs, who's the guy that they turned to in the most critical situations?  Who's the WR that made the big catches when needed?  It was Moore and I think that just goes to show you that there is still more there with him that what Chicago put on tape the last couple seasons.  I think Moore comes in and leads in target share and yardage by a comfortable amount this year.  I'm not saying prime Diggs numbers, but I don't think 85 catches and 1100 yards is out of the question.

 

NUT CUTTING TIME

1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said:

Moore was 12th in targets, but 29th in receiving yardage in 2024.  That's probably why they dialed him back and sought out different receiving options in '25. He seems to clearly be tracking downwards the past two seasons.  I seem him as being a similar addition as Amari Cooper was in 2024.  Hope I'm wrong, but my money would be on a 40-50 catch, 600 yards type of season (optimistic estimate is 65/800). 

 

That would be a terrible disappointment.  i think we have way more pass attempts then 24 and 25, and i think moore gets the most targets by a decent margin, which shakir and kinkaid close to each other at 2nd and 3rd.

[White Linen]

8 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Baker had 571 yards rushing his first 4 years and 53 first down. 

Williams has 877 yards rushing his first 2 years and 55 first downs. 

 

It's not close. 

 

 

Lamar is a pure mobile QB. It's a completely different playmaking style vs Allen. Totally different players. Mahomes is closer, but not making some of the scramble drill throws Williams made last year. I feel like people didn't actually watch Caleb last year. It was constant adlibbing, winging balls in scramble drills that's seemed uncatchable, yet his guy often came down with it. If you don't feel this way yet give it until the end of the season. 

 

So you think he's closer to Allen than he is, pick anyone?  I could wait until the end of time and not see that.

[MasterStrategist]

On 7/23/2026 at 5:03 PM, Buffalo716 said:

I think a lot of bills fans need to have realistic expectations 

 

If you read through some of this thread some would act like we're getting a top 10 bona fide elite wide receiver 

 

He is better than what we have and should help Josh Allen but we need to be realistic 

 

He's probably 26 the best wide receiver in the NFL.. low low tier number one x... I expect around 1,100 yd that would be a good year 

 

That's what the bills need.. I don't think we're going to get a 1400 yd guy

 

Hes gonna be a help to Josh but we didn't bring in a guy who is gonna all pro.. realistically he might not even pro bowl 

 

We just need someone to be consistent when given the chance 

1,100 a good season?

 

That would be unreal to me.  I expect 900ish and 8 tds.  

 

This offense will continue to pound the rock.  If Shakir and Kincaid stay healthy, both are legit 800 yard guys too.  Then sprinkle in Palmer, Bell, Keon, Knox, and backs.

 

Bottom line is Moore brings another very good YAC receiver and he is our best downfield threat as of now.  Biggest thing is keeping him, Kincaid, and Shakir healthy.  Thats a very good trio to go with our run game +other pieces.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

1,100 a good season?

 

That would be unreal to me.  I expect 900ish and 8 tds.  

 

This offense will continue to pound the rock.  If Shakir and Kincaid stay healthy, both are legit 800 yard guys too.  Then sprinkle in Palmer, Bell, Keon, Knox, and backs.

 

Bottom line is Moore brings another very good YAC receiver and he is our best downfield threat as of now.  Biggest thing is keeping him, Kincaid, and Shakir healthy.  Thats a very good trio to go with our run game +other pieces.

 

Well 1100 would be great I think that's his peak around 

 

800-1100 while Dalton takes another step is huge and I think he's good for that role

 

He will give us an intermediate threat we've been lacking and can get vertical 

Edited July 25 by Buffalo716

[Mikey152]

I like Matt Harmon and I think he has contributed a lot to mainstream wr analysis beyond the counting stats.

 

That said, you have to take some of it with a grain of salt. He is wrong often because WR data is HIGHLY contextual.

 

just go look at what he said about Curtis Samuel when the bills signed him, for example.

 

DJ Moore is a good receiver with pedigree and track record. His floor is decent and our best #1 since Diggs. His ceiling is probably pretty close to non-2020 Diggs. Some of it will be DJ but most will come down to the offense and what does and doesn’t change. WR (including Diggs) have had a hard time under Brady, but it’s hard to tell if that’s Joe, or Joe executing a complementary approach for McDermott.

Edited July 25 by Mikey152

[Buffalo ill]

On 7/24/2026 at 8:59 AM, Ayjent said:

The Houston game should be a good barometer of what impact the revamped WR room has right off the bat

That and how good the playcalling is.  Hopefully Brady and co will not put Josh in a position to repeatedly get murdered by that pass rush.

[BringBackFergy]

Brilliant football minds:

 

Early 2000’s = “shifty hips”

2020’s = “Route tree”

 

 

[Starr Almighty]

On 7/22/2026 at 10:13 PM, Mikie2times said:

Caleb is the closest thing to Allen in the NFL. 

Does Caleb make the occasional splash play Yes he does. But he's not even a top 10 QB in the league and here you are comparing him to Josh Allen. The guy completed 58% of his passes. Personally I think he sux. Let's see if he can grow into something.

[Special K]

On 7/22/2026 at 11:13 PM, Mikie2times said:

Caleb is the closest thing to Allen in the NFL.