PoundingDog Posted July 1 Posted July 1 A 7th rounder played on terrible teams who got a big 2nd contract. Many believed Stevie is an over-achiever. But it's clear the guy had it above the shoulders. On the other hand, it speaks volume how little Keon has learned thru his first 2 years. Is it the WR coach or it's Keon himself? We are going to see this season. If Keon does improve and become a reliable target for Allen, I think Stevie Johnson will get a lot of new business as a "mentor." Having the knowledge is one thing. Identifying someone's problem is another. Then the ability getting it to the person is often the most difficult part in coaching/mentoring world. I'm also surprised to hear his answer on running the ball. Just another proof I think the guy has it above his shoulders. 3 1 1 5 Quote
Rocky Landing Posted July 1 Posted July 1 I've always been an SJ13 fan. He made the game fun to watch, even during the drought. He certainly sounds high on Keon, and what he says in this interview follows right in line with the high praise he's been getting from Brady. Gives one hope! GO BILLS!!! 6 1 Quote
NoSaint Posted July 1 Posted July 1 I’m having a hard time reconciling that Keon is playing poorly because he’s playing so exact to the scheme and that he needs to freelance much more 3 2 1 Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 1 Posted July 1 Coleman reminds me a bit of Moulds. When he started, he didn't do well either first couple of years until Flutie lit a fire under him playing pickup basketball. 3 1 Quote
Thrivefourfive Posted July 1 Posted July 1 23 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Coleman reminds me a bit of Moulds. When he started, he didn't do well either first couple of years until Flutie lit a fire under him playing pickup basketball. That’s what happened? I never heard this. Care to elaborate, please 😊 1 Quote
PoundingDog Posted July 1 Author Posted July 1 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: I’m having a hard time reconciling that Keon is playing poorly because he’s playing so exact to the scheme and that he needs to freelance much more Do you think a quality CB covering him does not know what his route depth is after a few games of a season? If you or me are the CB covering him, Josh and Keon can tell us where the ball is going to be and they will still make the connection because we are no match for Keon physically. That's what happens when you play thru high school and college that a lot these guys just go by physcal traits alone. When you get to NFL, the guy across from you is likely just as good physically as you. So now what you have? Guys like Justin Jefferson are technicians that every route he runs looks the same until the very last moment. Keon does not have that, in fact very few does, I'm talking about Jerry Rice territory. Guys like Diggs have that suddenness at the top the route to get open. Keon does not have that physical ability; I think Skylar Bell has that from OTA and mini camp videos. Guys like Kincaid (DJ Moore in that category) have very smooth running style and hip turns to change direction easily with no effort. Keon does not have that running style. We thought Keon have some of the Hopkins ability of body control and super strong hands to win 50-50 balls. Well, turns not he's far from 50% in that category (also not Josh's strong trait of always placing the ball with pin-point accuracy). If you look at Stevie Johnson, he's not in any of the category above either. But he has that unconventional way of changing route patterns based on the situations to be QB friendly. I remember Derrelle Davis said of Stevie back in the day something about certain routes that the standard is 4 steps vertical and Stevie would change to 3 etc., very unconventional. It worked well that Stevie had a smart QB Fitzpatrick who could adjust to Stevie's routing running easily. It's all good now Stevie is giving Keon some new ways to maximize his unique physical traits. Ultimately it's up to Keon to incorporate that into his game. I don't think mimicing what Stevie had is going to work directly for Keon. It looks good in practice field in shorts and it is good to get praises from your QB now. But it is another thing to do it in real games in September. And ... it is a further different thing to do it in November and January when opposing teams have films on you and you have to counter adjust. 1 1 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted July 1 Posted July 1 Gotta say that Tasker's worst on-air tendency is on full display here; his questions become longer and more loopingly repetitive as the interview progresses...to the point of tediousness. He's a smart, funny guy, but wow does he get stuck going in circles on the air, especially when posing questions. 5 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted July 1 Posted July 1 1 hour ago, Richard Noggin said: Gotta say that Tasker's worst on-air tendency is on full display here; his questions become longer and more loopingly repetitive as the interview progresses...to the point of tediousness. He's a smart, funny guy, but wow does he get stuck going in circles on the air, especially when posing questions. He reminds a bit of Danny Gare doing hockey... a guy who's done it for a long time but never seems to get better. 3 Quote
T.E. Posted July 1 Posted July 1 2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Coleman reminds me a bit of Moulds. When he started, he didn't do well either first couple of years until Flutie lit a fire under him playing pickup basketball. I'll be equal parts thrilled and shocked if Keon Coleman becomes 25% of the player Eric Moulds was. 2 7 Quote
SoMAn Posted July 1 Posted July 1 10 hours ago, PoundingDog said: A 7th rounder played on terrible teams who got a big 2nd contract. Many believed Stevie is an over-achiever. But it's clear the guy had it above the shoulders. On the other hand, it speaks volume how little Keon has learned thru his first 2 years. Is it the WR coach or it's Keon himself? We are going to see this season. If Keon does improve and become a reliable target for Allen, I think Stevie Johnson will get a lot of new business as a "mentor." Having the knowledge is one thing. Identifying someone's problem is another. Then the ability getting it to the person is often the most difficult part in coaching/mentoring world. I'm also surprised to hear his answer on running the ball. Just another proof I think the guy has it above his shoulders. I love it when former players like Johnson display their allegiance to the our team, long after their playing days have ended, when they refer to the Bills as "we". 5 6 1 2 Quote
Bill from NYC Posted July 1 Posted July 1 I hope that he tells Coleman not to blame God when he drops a last second winning TD pass right in his hands. 5 2 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted July 1 Posted July 1 Stevie "has all that above the shoulders" Johnson blamed Jesus for a dropped pass... 3 6 Quote
Kincaid Kool-Aid Posted July 1 Posted July 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Stevie "has all that above the shoulders" Johnson blamed Jesus for a dropped pass... Not to take this to a place where it could get a little weird, but the Stevie thing never bothered me and in fact was kind of a fresh of breath air. I’m always amused when guys thank god or Jesus after a win while the losing team is in tears, despite guys on both teams asking for the same thing from the same god…a win. The same Jesus that caused him to drop the ball and lose was presumably the same that enabled the win for the other team via that drop. Edited July 1 by Kincaid Kool-Aid 3 1 1 2 Quote
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted July 1 Posted July 1 I can't say for sure that Jesus didn't make him drop that ball 1 2 1 Quote
Jauronimo Posted July 1 Posted July 1 5 minutes ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said: I can't say for sure that Jesus didn't make him drop that ball Think of what he could have accomplished without the ire of a vengeful God 3 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted July 1 Posted July 1 50 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Stevie "has all that above the shoulders" Johnson blamed Jesus for a dropped pass... I've had the pleasure of meeting Stevie a few times. Having "all that above the shoulders" isn't how I would describe him. Unless we are talking about his hair. He has nice hair. 12 minutes ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said: I can't say for sure that Jesus didn't make him drop that ball I think Jesus's coverage and ball skills are always underrated. 2 1 2 Quote
Artful Dodger Posted July 1 Posted July 1 44 minutes ago, Kincaid Kool-Aid said: Not to take this to a place where it could get a little weird, but the Stevie thing never bothered me and in fact was kind of a fresh of breath air. You only see guys thank god or Jesus after a win, despite guys on both teams asking for the same thing from the same god…a win. The same Jesus that caused him to drop the ball was presumably the same that enabled the win for the other team via that drop. Well, I mean God always backs the winner. Quote
transient Posted July 1 Posted July 1 30 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I think Jesus's coverage and ball skills are always underrated. That and the whole omniscient thing... Belichick and Brady level cheating, I tell ya. League shoulda done something about it, but somehow it always gets swept under the rug. Quote
MJS Posted July 1 Posted July 1 11 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Coleman reminds me a bit of Moulds. When he started, he didn't do well either first couple of years until Flutie lit a fire under him playing pickup basketball. He doesn't remind me of Moulds even a little bit. 1 5 1 Quote
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