Red vs Blue Scrimmage Tickets ???

[SectionC3]

14 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t disagree but that would have had to have come AFTER they gave the season ticket holders the first look. Maybe they still will. They can do a preseason watch party for the Cleveland game. They could do some kind of pep rally. The “first look” was always going to the season ticket holders. 

The watch party is a pretty good idea.  Maybe even for a regular season game or two before the weather turns.  

[Casual fan]

15 hours ago, Steptide said:

The bills/pegulas really should've planned some kind of free event to officially kick off the new stadium. Maybe some kind of concert with fireworks or something. Make the tickets free and let people see the new place. It would've been good promotion and would've solved issues like this with the the scrimmage practice. I also understand that they're getting ready for an NFL season in a brand new stadium, and I'm sure there is still alot happening behind the scenes, so us non season ticket holders just have to wait patiently 

I always knew the new place wasn't for me.

I'm just not going to pay that much money to see a football game. Even if I could afford it, I think I wouldn't do it. I love the team, always have.

But if I was going to pay that kind of money to someone (theoretically you understand) it would be to a 25 year old young woman on my birthday. That would be more than fair!

But not to watch the guys play football.

 

I'm grateful to the late Ralph Wilson and very much to Kim and Terry Pegula for working it out to keep our team in Buffalo. They need to pay for an NFL team in these times. I have no resentment! I'm a bit sad it costs so much but I am OK with it.

 

I just thought it was a lucky break that I was going to get to see it brandy shiny new at the Red Blue Scrimmage.

 

I was excited to see the new place before we fans pee on everything is all.

 

Which I've been seeing the promo videos of the stadium and all the “amenities” and fancy stuff for fan experience and I've been wondering, have they met us?

 

Roaring drunk we pile into the stadium, shouting obscenities and getting into fights, dropping trash everywhere. The whole place smells like beer. And the bathrooms! I would adjust my diet with a game coming up to make SURE I would not have to sit down on a toilet anywhere within 5 miles of the stadium on game day. And the stadium bathrooms after half time, the whole floor was always wet and to have to sit down in there, Oh my God I didn't even want to think about. Think about what it was like sometimes at games and in the parking lots.

Anyway maybe people will be more respectful of the new place. I hope it works out.

 

UPDATE: I just saw the Bill's just announced a special open practice at the stadium the morning of August 18.

Doing some damage control I guess. So maybe I get to go see it after all!

It's during the day on a Tuesday. I will take a day off to go to that if I get a ticket and if they don't change that also. I'll hope the parking is discounted.

 

 

 

 

 

[nuklz2594]

[MJS]

11 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Young people coming of age, will not be generating memories, or any bond with the Bills. Kids will look elsewhere, for entertainment. -All of those years when the Bills were blocked out of Sunday NFL fare, here in the eastern part of NY State, became Jets, Giants, and (God forbid) Patriots fans. So it will go, with the NFL, eventually. Greed will lead to the doom of the league. 

Just an observation, and It really doesn't matter to me. I'll be dead in a few short years, even though inside, I still think that I'll live forever. 😅

The vast majority of people watch on TV. The NFL is not going anywhere.

 

Fans complaining about "greed" are so tiresome.

[Rockpile233]

When are tickets becoming available for this to STHs?

[Chaos]

Real question: Does anyone who posts on this board work for a company that sells a non-essential product at below market prices and/or makes provisions for people who can't afford market price to be able to buy their product at well below market price?

[eball]

11 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Young people coming of age, will not be generating memories, or any bond with the Bills. Kids will look elsewhere, for entertainment. -All of those years when the Bills were blocked out of Sunday NFL fare, here in the eastern part of NY State, became Jets, Giants, and (God forbid) Patriots fans. So it will go, with the NFL, eventually. Greed will lead to the doom of the league. 

Just an observation, and It really doesn't matter to me. I'll be dead in a few short years, even though inside, I still think that I'll live forever. 😅

 

[cue dramatic music]

 

Good grief. The NFL rules the US sports world. Josh Allen has brought more Bills Mafia members into the fold than anyone could have ever dreamed of, and they’re all around the country. The new stadium is a crown jewel for the league. There are going to be plenty of kids at the games.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Real question: Does anyone who posts on this board work for a company that sells a non-essential product at below market prices and/or makes provisions for people who can't afford market price to be able to buy their product at well below market price?

“But I paid $30 of taxes towards the construction of that stadium.” 

[corta765]

17 hours ago, Augie said:

 

As a Casual Fan, you may not know that almost everything they do is in the name of money. I’m not condemning that, just trying to point out the obvious to any newcomers. We decide how much of that we accept. 

I have for years on here slammed my gavel that the two best things fans/casual fans/fans with kids have which regular games are too much $ for are preseason games and training camp. The NFL since the mid 2010s has really accelerated at removing free and easy access events things to things that are intentionally monetized across the board ( I really think the whole streaming piece their playing a dangerous game with and the anti trust piece they benefit from but that is a different discussion)

 

This is a perfect storm for Bills fans who can't go to regular season games but want some type of access as:

1. The team is super popular nationally so everyone wants to see them aka Josh Allen

2. They have been a consistent winner regardless of no SB so people love winners

3. They went from a team which was at the bottom of the league in stadium, facilities, image, branding etc.. to being one of the leaders with a brand new home.

4. The new stadium has everyone from diehard Bills fans to people who are just curious living in WNY wanting to actually explore and see the place even if they lack much interest in games.

 

Point 3 is probably the most important because the drought kinda conditioned an entire generation or two of fans that cheap tickets, 1 pm games, easy access, and the team not evolving to being in the new NFL which is paying for everything. 

 

[TBBills Fan]

36 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Real question: Does anyone who posts on this board work for a company that sells a non-essential product at below market prices and/or makes provisions for people who can't afford market price to be able to buy their product at well below market price?

Should

 

The pitchfork people dont want to hear that

[SoMAn]

 

There's much excitement to get a first look at the new crib, which will no doubt eclipse the event on the field.

I'll look forward to is seeing the final touches on the field with the yard lines, hash marks, and end zones painted for the first time. Also eager to hear from the fans what they thought of their proximity to the field, sight lines, access to concessions, rest rooms, etc.  

But, would I pay more than a few bucks for the non-event? Nah. I'll wait until it's a real game that counts.

 

[Billsflyer12]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Real question: Does anyone who posts on this board work for a company that sells a non-essential product at below market prices and/or makes provisions for people who can't afford market price to be able to buy their product at well below market price?

Right?  Must be a total socialist to whine about a billionaire owner reducing the supply by 15% and then increasing prices more than 100% on season tickets, while individual tickets increased 3-4 times in value.  Terry is a true capitalist hero, we should just be thanking him everyday that we even have a team.

 

Did I get this right?

Edited July 6 by Billsflyer12

[Casual fan]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Someone clearly communicated poorly then. There was a zero percent chance that they weren’t going to, at least offer, the people that committed to PSLs the first chance. Maybe it was the first right of refusal or just an exclusive event but they weren’t going to be lumped in with everyone else. Even if the plan was, “open to the public” it was going to be “season ticket holders have ___ amount of time to claim their seats.” That’s how it had always been anyway. Demand was just never so high that it became exclusive.

I was on Buffalobills.com and I saw the instructions right on there! It said get the app then go for it when sales open. 

They didn't communicate poorly, they communicated the wrong information.

Of course that page is gone now.

 

I can allow for one possibility. 

It might be that page was there from last year, and they hadn't updated it yet. That to me woud be a less dumb mistake than just announcing wrong info. So maybe that is what happened.

If last year it was open to all who had the app, like I outlined above, then I would lean toward they just hadn't updated it yet. An oversight.

 

But lucky for me! I am happy now. I still get the same chance I had with the new practice date as I would have had with the Red Blue Game. 

With probably even better odds of winning a ticket because it's on a Tuesday morning. I just hope it's not too early because I don't live in Buffalo. But however early it is, if I win a ticket, I'm going!

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Casual fan said:

I was on Buffalobills.com and I saw the instructions right on there! It said get the app then go for it when sales open. 

They didn't communicate poorly, they communicated the wrong information.

Of course that page is gone now.

 

I can allow for one possibility. 

It might be that page was there from last year, and they hadn't updated it yet. That to me woud be a less dumb mistake than just announcing wrong info. So maybe that is what happened.

If last year it was open to all who had the app, like I outlined above, then I would lean toward they just hadn't updated it yet. An oversight.

 

But lucky for me! I am happy now. I still get the same chance I had with the new practice date as I would have had with the Red Blue Game. 

With probably even better odds of winning a ticket because it's on a Tuesday morning. I just hope it's not too early because I don't live in Buffalo. But however early it is, if I win a ticket, I'm going!

You might be right. It probably was from last year. Even in prior years it went to season ticket holders first. All events do. There just is never that much demand for anything, outside of games, that people have gotten an opportunity. Training camp has gotten tougher now as well.
 

Once the stadium isn’t brand new anymore it’ll be like it was. Next year’s scrimmage will be season ticket holders first but there will almost certainly be an opportunity for the public. This year is just different because of demand.

 

They scrambled and added the open practice which is a fair compromise. I still contend that they should have used both of these events to raise money/goods for charity. Why not say, your entry for the open practice is “2 cans of non perishable food?” Donate it all to FeedMore WNY. Is someone not going to go because they need to donate 2 cans of food?!? This is the miss IMO.

[nuklz2594]

2 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

its called sarcasm

[Casual fan]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

“But I paid $30 of taxes towards the construction of that stadium.” 

Very roughly calculated, there are 16 million adults in NYS. 875 million dived by 16 million = $54.78

 

Counting only the 9.6 million employed adults, it works out to $91.14

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, Casual fan said:

Very roughly calculated, there are 16 million adults in NYS. 875 million dived by 16 million = $54.78

 

Counting only the 9.6 million employed adults, it works out to $91.14

I used AI. It calculated the average NY resident at $30.46 and the average Erie County resident at $294.52. Many of us are in Erie County.
 

The larger point is that if you have a couple of seats you may be paying 1,000x a typical NY resident. I work with a guy that has a dozen club seats at $20k a piece PSL. That’s 8,000x more that they’ve contributed than a typical NY resident. You should be treated differently. 
 

I think one of the larger things that we never talk about is being a “season ticket holder” used to be about being able to get a seat. With the development of the secondary market, anyone can get a seat, to any event. The ticket isn’t scarce anymore. It may be expensive but it’s available. 
 

Teams have had to change their strategy because season tickets are the lifeblood. How do you get people to commit to every game? You created value. You create a sense of community. It’s not coincidental you see them being called “Season Ticket Members” or “The Sabrehood” or whatever. That is intentional. 
 

That’s how teams have adjusted. They now sell access. It’s more important in basketball, hockey and baseball where there are a lot more games. Teams don’t need somebody that is willing to spend a lot on a big game. It used to be season tickets are how you assured yourself of a ticket to a big game. Let’s use the Sabres as our example. A season ticket used to be how you locked in a ticket for the Leafs on a Saturday Night or secured your rights to playoff tickets. Now, you can just pay an inflated cost on the secondary market to get those. The Sabres make no more on that. They could have sold 60k playoff tickets every night. What they can’t sell 60k of, are tickets to see the Sabres play the Canucks, on a rainy Tuesday Night in November.

 

That has caused them to change the way they do things. Now, they get people to “join the Sabrehood.” In exchange for their commitment to that Canucks game, they get to skate on the ice. They get to high five players as they come out to the ice. They get meet and greets with legends. They get F&B credits, fan of the game, merch discounts, etc… Season tickets are no longer about “having a ticket to every game.” They are about having premium access to the team (and obviously a ticket). 
 

That’s why these events continue to trend toward “season ticket events.” Make access to training camp exclusive. Make the scrimmage exclusive. Do exclusive stadium tours. Sell discounted merch. This isn’t greed. It’s the evolution of the ticket buying process and how teams entice people to commit to lower demand events.
 

There’s a lot here but it’s a topic that probably warrants some discussion. 

Edited July 6 by Kirby Jackson

[Casual fan]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I used AI. It calculated the average NY resident at $30.46 and the average Erie County resident at $294.52. Many of us are in Erie County.
 

The larger point is that if you have a couple of seats you may be paying 1,000x a typical NY resident. I work with a guy that has a dozen club seats at $20k a piece PSL. That’s 8,000x more that they’ve contributed than a typical NY resident. You should be treated differently. 
 

I think one of the larger things that we never talk about is being a “season ticket holder” used to be about being able to get a seat. With the development of the secondary market, anyone can get a seat, to any event. The ticket isn’t scarce anymore. It may be expensive but it’s available. 
 

Teams have had to change their strategy because season tickets are the lifeblood. How do you get people to commit to every game? You created value. You creat a sense of community. It’s not coincidental you see them being called “Season Ticket Members” or “The Sabrehood” or whatever. That is intentional. 
 

That’s how teams have adjusted. They now sell access. It’s more important in basketball, hockey and baseball where there are a lot more games. Teams don’t need somebody that is willing to spend a lot on a big game. It used to be season tickets are how you assured yourself of a ticket to a big game. Let’s use the Sabres as our example. A season ticket used to be how you locked in a ticket for the Leafs on a Saturday Night or secured your rights to playoff tickets. Now, you can just pay an inflated cost on the secondary market to get those. The Sabres make no more on that. They could have sold 60k playoff tickets every night. What they can’t sell 60k of are tickets to see the Sabres play the Canucks, on a rainy Tuesday Night in November.

 

That has caused them to change the way they do things. Now, they get people to “join the Sabrehood.” In exchange for their commitment to that Canucks game, they get to skate on the ice. They get to high five players as they come out to the ice. They get meet and greets with legends. They get F&B credits, fan of the game, merch discounts, etc… Season tickets are no longer about “having a ticket to every game.” They are about having premium access to the team (and obviously a ticket). 
 

That’s why these events continue to trend toward “season ticket events.” Make access to training camp exclusive. Make the scrimmage exclusive. Do exclusive stadium tours. Sell discounted merch. This isn’t greed. It’s the evolution of the ticket buying process and how teams entice people to commit to lower demand events.
 

There’s a lot here but it’s a topic that probably warrants some discussion. 

I was just making a light hearted quip but I am now glad I did. That was interesting.

 

The way I see the situation is, it would have been awful if the Bills moved away.  Just terrible for morale in Western New York. I'd have hated it.

 

The PSL season ticket paying people are a big part of the reason that didn't happen! I'm glad they did. I appreciate it!

 

We still have our team. I can watch them on TV. They are still my, and our Bills. And I'd rather pay too much for a ticket to see an NFL game in Buffalo than pay too much in some other city somewhere to watch their team.  I like our season ticket holders! Three cheers for them!

 

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, Casual fan said:

I was just making a light hearted quip but I am now glad I did. That was interesting.

 

The way I see the situation is, it would have been awful if the Bills moved away.  Just terrible for morale in Western New York. I'd have hated it.

 

The PSL season ticket paying people are a big part of the reason that didn't happen! I'm glad they did. I appreciate it!

 

We still have our team. I can watch them on TV. They are still my, and our Bills. And I'd rather pay too much for a ticket to see an NFL game in Buffalo than pay too much in some other city somewhere to watch their team.  I like our season ticket holders! Three cheers for them!

 

I figured you were joking but it presented an opportunity to raise that other point. We talk a lot about how the secondary market makes tickets to high demand events expensive. What we don’t talk about is how they didn’t really used to be available at all. We also don’t talk about how teams have had to adjust when “you have the right to a ticket to big events” is no longer exclusive, or enough. 
 

The timing for the Bills being elite worked out perfectly. The Sabres crazy and unexpected run this year did wonders as well. It would have been really difficult to build a new stadium during the drought and the Sabres were about to fall into a competitive disadvantage. Both teams now are in really strong positions. 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I figured you were joking but it presented an opportunity to raise that other point. We talk a lot about how the secondary market makes tickets to high demand events expensive. What we don’t talk about is how they didn’t really used to be available at all. We also don’t talk about how teams have had to adjust when “you have the right to a ticket to big events” is no longer exclusive, or enough. 
 

The timing for the Bills being elite worked out perfectly. The Sabres crazy and unexpected run this year did wonders as well. It would have been really difficult to build a new stadium during the drought and the Sabres were about to fall into a competitive disadvantage. Both teams now are in really strong positions. 

 

Key Bank Center is coming up on its 30th birthday in September. A major renovation or replacement is comin soon.