ngbills Posted June 2 Posted June 2 3 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Where are you getting this information? He has 4. years left on his contract. 2026 is fully guaranteed, 2027 is only 6 million guaranteed, and the last 2 years have no guaranteed money. So basically if he stinks after year 2 they have $0 dead cap hit. But they are only tied to him till he is 33 at most. Bingo - $7M cap hit this year; $11M next and then they cut him or pay him $17M or redo his deal at that point. They are essentially getting him for Josh Palmer type money. Quote
NoSaint Posted June 2 Posted June 2 4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Where are you getting this information? He has 4. years left on his contract. 2026 is fully guaranteed, 2027 is only 6 million guaranteed, and the last 2 years have no guaranteed money. So basically if he stinks after year 2 they have $0 dead cap hit. But they are only tied to him till he is 33 at most. though I’d expect he pushes for fresh guarantees now that he has all the leverage of the trade investment 10 minutes ago, ngbills said: Bingo - $7M cap hit this year; $11M next and then they cut him or pay him $17M or redo his deal at that point. They are essentially getting him for Josh Palmer type money. now remember who aj brown is. do you think he’s going to play on a 2 year 18m contract? 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 4 hours ago, ngbills said: Playoffs were not pretty but a win is a win. I would take an ugly Allen win over losing. The playoffs are always gonna be tougher. Allen has had some bad playoff games as well. He was 24-46 passing with an awful fumble in his first playoff game. He was all over the place vs MIA in 2022. My original response was to the statement that Drake Maye showed a historic decline the second half of the season and playoffs compared to Allen only showing only improvement. That is just not true. Allen has had plenty of stretches he struggled including playoff games. Like I said, I take Allen all day over Maye. But Maye is ahead of Allen at this point in their careers. As a Bills fan I hope Maye has hit a ceiling, but there is a good possibility with a better OL and more weapons Maye could still get better. Except he DID have a historic collapse in the playoffs. He was sacked an NFL record 21 times, intercepted 4 times and fumbled 7 more. It’s one of the worst playoff performances in NFL History. https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/patriots-drake-maye-caps-historically-051220899.html 1 1 Quote
PatsFanNH Posted June 2 Posted June 2 38 minutes ago, NoSaint said: though I’d expect he pushes for fresh guarantees now that he has all the leverage of the trade investment now remember who aj brown is. do you think he’s going to play on a 2 year 18m contract? IMO that’s a next year issue.. he will play his butt of this year and want negotiate a new contract. I don’t worry about the money I’m a fan if I had Kraft kinda money I’d be on a nice warm beach instead of my house right now lol Quote
NoSaint Posted June 3 Posted June 3 4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: IMO that’s a next year issue.. he will play his butt of this year and want negotiate a new contract. I don’t worry about the money I’m a fan if I had Kraft kinda money I’d be on a nice warm beach instead of my house right now lol it’s weird you don’t worry about the money in response to me but you worried about it with others 1 Quote
26TrapDraw Posted June 3 Posted June 3 5 hours ago, ngbills said: Bingo - $7M cap hit this year; $11M next and then they cut him or pay him $17M or redo his deal at that point. They are essentially getting him for Josh Palmer type money. But As a few guys pointed out so astutely dont sleep on Landon Jackson. I mean the kid put on 25 lbs. christ almighty. We could $&@k up a wet dream. 1 Quote
Paup 1995MVP Posted June 3 Posted June 3 17 hours ago, NewEra said: I don’t think he’s a tier 1 or even tier 2 WR at this point, but I think he’s in the DJ Moore tier at least. He’s a big addition to their WR unit and is their best WR. He’s a good deep ball tracker and Maye throws a great deep ball. You don’t have to have great separation to be effective making big plays downfield. Moore is similar in that respect. He knows how to come down with the ball. I like Benford covering him too. I still think he’ll make plenty of big plays for them and help them win games. I don’t think he’s “regressed that badly”. He had a poor stretch of play that coincided with terrible offensive line play while also playing against tougher competition than they had played all season. I think we’ll see many more good/great games out of him than we’ll see meh/poor games out of him. Would be nice if he turned into stroud though. I am interested in what we will get from DJ Moore. I hope he is the difference maker we need at WR. We have not had that since Diggs was killing it for us prior to the mid 2023 season. I hope we get a lot from Skyler Bell also. Because after Shakir we have Coleman and Palmer. And they are two big question marks. Time will tell. I would have liked a little more juice at WR. But maybe some unknown will step up. And Kincaid will finally dominate. Fingers crossed. 1 Quote
chris heff Posted June 3 Posted June 3 “A.J. Brown timeline: Detailing how the WR’s Philadelphia Eagles tenure unfolded”, if you have access to the Athletic, read this article. It will tell you everything you need to know about Brown. This is a quote after winning the Super Bowl, ”Brown shared some thoughts in a caption on Instagram two days after the Eagles capped that 2024 season with a dominant win over the Kansas City Chiefs in the Super Bowl: “I’ve never been a champion at the highest level before, but I thought my hard work would be justified by winning it all,” Brown wrote. “It wasn’t. My thrill for this game comes when I dominate.” it is not about winning, or his team, it is only about him. 1 Quote
BillsVet Posted June 3 Posted June 3 17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Except he DID have a historic collapse in the playoffs. He was sacked an NFL record 21 times, intercepted 4 times and fumbled 7 more. It’s one of the worst playoff performances in NFL History. https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/patriots-drake-maye-caps-historically-051220899.html Trading for Brown has comes off as NE taking a Tua Tagavailloa approach like Miami took: Take a limited QB and surround him with excellent WR talent to offset his lack of talent. Doesn't work. 1 2 Quote
P Riv Posted June 4 Posted June 4 8 hours ago, BillsVet said: Trading for Brown has comes off as NE taking a Tua Tagavailloa approach like Miami took: Take a limited QB and surround him with excellent WR talent to offset his lack of talent. Doesn't work. So you're equating Tua and Maye? That seems way off to me, but I'm cool with it if you're right. Quote
MasterStrategist Posted June 4 Posted June 4 9 hours ago, BillsVet said: Trading for Brown has comes off as NE taking a Tua Tagavailloa approach like Miami took: Take a limited QB and surround him with excellent WR talent to offset his lack of talent. Doesn't work. 3rd year for Maye is huge. There would be no question on his progression, but that was a historically awful postseason by a QB. The fact they made the SB. was 100% attributed to their defense. I still think Maye is a very good QB. I just dont think hes anything close to a MVP level QB - I put Josh, Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar in a tier way above Maye. Drake is a better version of Bo Nix IMO, will always need a strong defense to back him up. Quote
NewEra Posted June 4 Posted June 4 19 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: 3rd year for Maye is huge. There would be no question on his progression, but that was a historically awful postseason by a QB. The fact they made the SB. was 100% attributed to their defense. I still think Maye is a very good QB. I just dont think hes anything close to a MVP level QB - I put Josh, Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar in a tier way above Maye. Drake is a better version of Bo Nix IMO, will always need a strong defense to back him up. He needs an OL imo. If they give him a good pass protecting OL, I think he’s going to be a tier 1 QB in time. Quote
Richard Noggin Posted June 4 Posted June 4 The Super Bowl hangover (following a SB loss) tends to be a real thing, innit? Like getting there and losing suggests worse outcomes the following season than just getting to the AFCCG and losing, for example... Quote
NewEra Posted June 4 Posted June 4 On 6/2/2026 at 12:22 PM, PatsFanNH said: Where are you getting this information? He has 4. years left on his contract. 2026 is fully guaranteed, 2027 is only 6 million guaranteed, and the last 2 years have no guaranteed money. So basically if he stinks after year 2 they have $0 dead cap hit. But they are only tied to him till he is 33 at most. Where are you seeing this? I’ve read that there is a balloon type hit coming in 2030 due to the void years in the contract. If they cut him, they’ll be on the hook for it when cut. I could be wrong, but I’ve seen that more than a couple times. Seems like a situation that will likely be remedied by a new contract. Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted June 4 Posted June 4 1 hour ago, DJB said: Yes, Howie would never trade Brown to an actually legitimate Super Bowl contender. If anything the price would have been much higher for the Bills because he would want to cripple them in the deal. Trading him to New England shows that he doesn't have any fear of the Patriots. Quote
SCBills Posted June 4 Posted June 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJB said: This would’ve been Beane going all in, but he just refuses to do that. Unless we were also scared off by his medicals, I would’ve absolutely pulled the trigger on this. We’d have the best offense in the league on paper for the next 2-3 years.. and it might not be close. Edited June 4 by SCBills Quote
PatsFanNH Posted June 4 Posted June 4 On 6/2/2026 at 11:43 PM, NoSaint said: it’s weird you don’t worry about the money in response to me but you worried about it with others Have I said in this thread I was worried about the money? If so I was delulu.. I’m a fan I just want a championship team (or at least a fun one to watch) I don’t care what it costs. Quote
PatsFanNH Posted June 4 Posted June 4 11 hours ago, MasterStrategist said: 3rd year for Maye is huge. There would be no question on his progression, but that was a historically awful postseason by a QB. The fact they made the SB. was 100% attributed to their defense. I still think Maye is a very good QB. I just dont think hes anything close to a MVP level QB - I put Josh, Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar in a tier way above Maye. Drake is a better version of Bo Nix IMO, will always need a strong defense to back him up. I am not a Jackson fan so I wouldn’t put him ahead of Maye.. I always felt he was overrated and he couldn’t make it far in the playoffs even with a good D. Burrow can’t stay healthy and that’s needed to be elite IMO. people forget Maye was only 23 last year, playing under a new O system yet again and had mediocre WR talent around him and a below average O line.. what he did all season was pretty amazing. As for the playoffs he was average in the Chargers game but was playing hurt the rest of the way, bills fans should know injuries make even a great QB look human never mind a young QB experiencing the playoffs for the first time against murders row of D. Quote
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