Mikie2times Posted May 29 Posted May 29 (edited) Despite his name in the title, this is not a McD thread. I felt compelled to post this because of how deeply it was effecting my fandom, to the extent I didn't even understand it. On one hand watching Allen and this great run we have had has been a ton of fun. I've been a fan since the Super Bowl years which is not long enough to see it all, but long enough to see a lot. Posting on this forum a long time, it says 2003 but before that I had another TBD account I lost the log in for so it dates back even further than that. For 20+ years on TBD I have been a very positive poster. The last two years or so, completely negative, almost always at McD. Totally against who I am in normal life. Then over the last few months, outside of a few McD driven thread, basically right back to who I used to be. I even started to wonder myself if I was just turning into a bit of a bitter a-hole? That didn't flush with life where I was still light hearted with most things. But this singular issue was far more consuming then I could have known. Also knowing how many people feel different than I do on this subject, perhaps even some feeling just as strongly about his departure as I did regarding his tenure here. I'm trying to think back if anything in this journey as a fan is even close to being as divisive to our fan base as this? The obvious one that comes to mind is Johnson and Flutie. Which I recall feeling much more neutral about, but I don't recall the message boards at the time. I'm also not a Buffalo native, so I don't have a local pulse from that time frame. So the broader question is, is this the most divisive topic you have encountered in your time as a fan? If not, what would you say was? I'm also curious if others felt like me where they had this intensely negative view on a singular aspect of this team and it was sort of hurting them as far as being a fan. Can people relate to what I said, either about McD and how you felt or about another situation in Bills history that maybe felt similar? Edited May 29 by Mikie2times 3 1 2 2 Quote
The Wiz Posted May 29 Posted May 29 (edited) I'll still fight anyone that EJ Manuel would have been good if not for Marrone and Rex. Edited May 29 by The Wiz 3 1 1 4 5 1 Quote
Lost Posted May 29 Posted May 29 10 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I'll still fight anyone that EJ Manuel would have been good if not for Marrone and Rex. How would Josh Allen have turned out under them? 1 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted May 29 Posted May 29 4 minutes ago, Lost said: How would Josh Allen have turned out under them? Rex would have hired an OC that could use Allen right and focused on defense 1 1 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 29 Posted May 29 16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I would say OJ. This is correct. And I don't think it's even close. Then I see guys like Flutie, as some have mentioned. I think a lot of the hubbub about McDermott is it's still a fresh wound. A few years from now I think popular opinion will soften on him a bit and he will be seen as a guy that helped right the ship at a crucial time. 6 1 Quote
BillsFan130 Posted May 29 Posted May 29 He's definitely up there. Not saying Tyrod is #1, but I felt like tyrod was very polarizing here as well 1 1 Quote
Mango Posted May 29 Posted May 29 He's not even the most polarizing player of this era. I think people feel way stronger about Diggs (one way or another) than they do McD. Jim Kelly is an interesting case study. Maybe moreso now than when he played. People range from "greatest ambarassador to the city of Buffalo and good Christian" to "dirt bag woman beater who is wildly over rated. Not even the third best player on his own team" 2 Quote
Mikie2times Posted May 29 Author Posted May 29 18 minutes ago, Mango said: He's not even the most polarizing player of this era. I think people feel way stronger about Diggs (one way or another) than they do McD. Jim Kelly is an interesting case study. Maybe moreso now than when he played. People range from "greatest ambarassador to the city of Buffalo and good Christian" to "dirt bag woman beater who is wildly over rated. Not even the third best player on his own team" I'm not sure about that. Really, not sure about a lot of these examples. Nobody is defending OJ, very few are defending Diggs. Kelly I can sort of see and agree with your call out. McD has intensity on both sides that isn't like other topics from my POV. Perhaps that's just a byproduct of recency. 1 Quote
RoyBatty is alive Posted May 29 Posted May 29 55 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: OJ. Flutie. Spot On, no one even comes close to either of these two. Quote
T.E. Posted May 29 Posted May 29 (edited) It's 100% Flutie. McDermott isn't really polarizing, when you think about it. Even the people who wanted him gone for years (I was one of them) will tell you that he is a good person and decent coach. I'm not sure how OJ is polarizing. It pretty much common knowledge that he was a murderer; I don't remember any Bills fans arguing that he was a decent guy or anything. Edited May 29 by T.E. 5 2 Quote
Daniel from az Posted May 29 Posted May 29 NOT BY A LONG SHOT----he did a great job in turning the Bills' around And now the page has turned 3 2 Quote
DapperCam Posted May 29 Posted May 29 I would say no. Pretty much everyone acknowledges he’s a good coach (a few grumpy WGR550 callers notwithstanding). Many felt he wasn’t the guy to take us to the next level, and he got a lot of bites at the apple. That isn’t really polarizing. 2 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 29 Posted May 29 It's not McD. It's the continued fall out of "Wide right". We as fans have never recovered. Our Championship and our hearts were ripped out that Sunday evening. That night changed and divided us. For many and I suspect most of us, just having a good season is not enough. Then "13 seconds" happened and the closest we had been in decades was stolen from us again. For many of us it was an unforgivable loss. We now have the best QB in franchise history and only to be held back by coaching is agonizing. McD was a nice man but it was long past time to give someone else a chance to bring a Championship to our city and our fans. Our QB has embraced the burden of the past failures and carries the hopes and dreams of an entire fan base. We no longer have the luxury of time for a coach and his horrible defense holding the franchise back. 3 Quote
Shaw66 Posted May 29 Posted May 29 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: I would say OJ. OJ is certainly number 1 on the list of most polarizing. Daryl Lamonica is way up that list, too. Buddy Nix. Dick Jauron. I think McDermott is close to the top of the list, because it was too hard to argue against a coach who was winning as much as he won. 2 Quote
rusty shackleford Posted May 29 Posted May 29 T.O.... he was just handed over the key to the city. Quote
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