nuklz2594 Posted May 24 Posted May 24 josh has a grip it and rip it arm. I miss James lofton and Beebe blazing down the field Quote
nedboy7 Posted May 24 Posted May 24 Make no mistake: This is a Josh Allen-centered offense. "His supporting cast doesn’t matter," one scout told me. "It’s all about him." Well, RB James Cook does play a role, too. And he emerged as a huge force last season when he led the league in rushing, thanks at least in part to one of the NFL’s best offensive lines. But the passing game is really all about Allen, and the Bills seem to treat it that way. "I’ll never understand why they just don’t go out and get (Allen) a No. 1 receiver," another scout told me. "Put him with a top-10 guy and who stops that team? He’ll break every record in the book." They did add D.J. Moore in the offseason, which is an improvement. But he’s 29 and three seasons removed from his WR1 days. Beyond him are mostly third and fourth receivers (Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman, Josh Palmer) and two serviceable tight ends (Dalton Kincaid, Dawson Knox). "They would be unstoppable," the first scout told me, "if they’d just get (Allen) some real help." 1 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 25 Posted May 25 Good for Josh. His deep ball has been a problem for a long time. He has very little arc to his deep ball. He has overthrown WRs for years but the last two years in an effort to complete more he has overcompensated by underthrowing his WR. This makes the ball contrstable and limits YAC. Many of us have pointed this out for years just as we did his turnovers - which he also specifically addressed. Josh is the best QB in franchise history and its not even close anymore. But his game is not perfect. He is the best intermediate depth QB in NFL history. He has reduced his fumbles. The other way of looking at this is to call plays to his strength. He has the arm strength to throw across the field. These throws and patterns can exploit a defense if your QB can make the throw. Daboll called several of these when they had John Brown. Moore and Kincaid would be great options to use to throw flag patterns that start on the right side of the LOS and run to the left. The deep square in with Gabe was a great play. That can be a staple of Coleman or Bell's game. In Josh we trust, he is our only hope.... Quote
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 25 Posted May 25 Conversely, this was always one of Jim Kelly’s strengths imho, rainbow touch on the long ball to the likes of Lofton, Beebe et al…it’s not that Josh is lacking so much as it is letting physics do the work for you (angle of attack/delivery point). I have zero doubt we will see even more improvement in this area this season. I agree with earlier posters that overall Josh is the best QB to ever suit up for our beloved Bills regardless. 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted May 25 Posted May 25 1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Conversely, this was always one of Jim Kelly’s strengths imho, rainbow touch on the long ball to the likes of Lofton, Beebe et al…it’s not that Josh is lacking so much as it is letting physics do the work for you (angle of attack/delivery point). I have zero doubt we will see even more improvement in this area this season. I agree with earlier posters that overall Josh is the best QB to ever suit up for our beloved Bills regardless. Josh should become the best. Right now Kelly still is. That said, best deep ball throwers don't 3/4 release the ball. He has to change his arm / release angle for more arc and drop on the ball. And yeah Kelly could toss some nice rainbows. 2 Quote
BearNorth Posted May 25 Posted May 25 I remember in the Kelly Super Bowl days what a threat Thurman and to a lesser extent Kenny Davis were as receivers out of the backfield. With Cook now in the top tier of RB's can the brain trust scheme up ways to get him in space? Remembering a fairly long receiving TD vs. the Bucs in 2025. Would more of the same add some zip to the offense? 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted June 1 Posted June 1 On 5/20/2026 at 8:50 PM, ganesh said: If we saw anything in Denver, it still remain on how to reduce turnover. 4 turnovers in divisional playoff game is not going to get you to the big dance. Yeah, you're right. But if he'd only had 3 it'd be OK https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202101240gnb.htm (actually I had a problem with the officiating of that game, and said at the time that when the QB throws 3 picks you shouldn't be moving on) Quote
Rochesterfan Posted June 1 Posted June 1 To me Josh working on deep ball accuracy is not the problem. His deep ball throws are accurate - they just are not good and catchable throws. The problem with Josh and downfield throws is that he holds the ball looking for things to open up and makes the decision late and therefore to get it to the player he has to throw it on a rope. Good deep ball throws - recognize the throw early and release the ball with a high arc allowing the WR to adjust. Josh holds the ball and makes the decision late and then throws it on a line to where the guy is - there is little chance for the WR to adjust. It is why it has been an issue for years with different deep WRs and I don’t think having an All-Pro like Lofton changes that. 2 Quote
PoundingDog Posted June 1 Author Posted June 1 56 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: To me Josh working on deep ball accuracy is not the problem. His deep ball throws are accurate - they just are not good and catchable throws. The problem with Josh and downfield throws is that he holds the ball looking for things to open up and makes the decision late and therefore to get it to the player he has to throw it on a rope. Good deep ball throws - recognize the throw early and release the ball with a high arc allowing the WR to adjust. Josh holds the ball and makes the decision late and then throws it on a line to where the guy is - there is little chance for the WR to adjust. It is why it has been an issue for years with different deep WRs and I don’t think having an All-Pro like Lofton changes that. Very good thought from a different angle. Quote
Goin Breakdown Posted June 1 Posted June 1 I think I'd care more about this if we had a true speed threat. I mean sure work on the deep pass for few occasions someone gets open way down field or the defense blows coverage. Quote
Beck Water Posted June 2 Posted June 2 On 6/1/2026 at 9:40 AM, Rochesterfan said: To me Josh working on deep ball accuracy is not the problem. His deep ball throws are accurate - they just are not good and catchable throws. The problem with Josh and downfield throws is that he holds the ball looking for things to open up and makes the decision late and therefore to get it to the player he has to throw it on a rope. Good deep ball throws - recognize the throw early and release the ball with a high arc allowing the WR to adjust. Josh holds the ball and makes the decision late and then throws it on a line to where the guy is - there is little chance for the WR to adjust. It is why it has been an issue for years with different deep WRs and I don’t think having an All-Pro like Lofton changes that. This wouldn't apply to visiting stadiums but I seem to recall Jim Kelly talking about deep throws and saying in the Bills stadium, it didn't work to throw balls with a high arc they had to be thrown lower or the wind would take them, even when there wasn't much wind outside the stadium. Quote
Gregg Posted June 2 Posted June 2 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Beck Water said: This wouldn't apply to visiting stadiums but I seem to recall Jim Kelly talking about deep throws and saying in the Bills stadium, it didn't work to throw balls with a high arc they had to be thrown lower or the wind would take them, even when there wasn't much wind outside the stadium. Curious to see how the wind will be in the new stadium and if it plays a factor on making the deep throws. Edited June 2 by Gregg 1 Quote
Rochesterfan Posted June 2 Posted June 2 3 hours ago, Beck Water said: This wouldn't apply to visiting stadiums but I seem to recall Jim Kelly talking about deep throws and saying in the Bills stadium, it didn't work to throw balls with a high arc they had to be thrown lower or the wind would take them, even when there wasn't much wind outside the stadium. I don’t know, but we have seen a ton of beautiful high arcing passes even in the cold and snow of Orchard Park be just fine. There definitely are games where passes are impacted - even low lazer type passes, but this issue has been with Josh since Wyoming- both home and on the road. It is not a home issue - it is how he throws the ball - even short passes behind the LOS have little touch and are rifled on the receivers body. Quote
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted June 2 Posted June 2 On 5/20/2026 at 10:38 PM, Special K said: Cooks made a contested catch.....the Officials blew the call. Hold. The. Ball. It’s really that simple. Whining about officials is tiresome. 2 Quote
Beck Water Posted June 2 Posted June 2 1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said: I don’t know, but we have seen a ton of beautiful high arcing passes even in the cold and snow of Orchard Park be just fine. There definitely are games where passes are impacted - even low lazer type passes, but this issue has been with Josh since Wyoming- both home and on the road. It is not a home issue - it is how he throws the ball - even short passes behind the LOS have little touch and are rifled on the receivers body. Fair enough, although he has learned to throw short passes with more touch and some arc. 3 Quote
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted June 3 Posted June 3 18 hours ago, Beck Water said: Fair enough, although he has learned to throw short passes with more touch and some arc. Proof! 😎 Quote
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