Vikings want to interview Terrance Gray for GM - Update: hire Seattle assistant GM instead

[MiltonWaddams]

31 minutes ago, NewEra said:

If we lose him and don’t get 3rd rd compensation I would blame it on ego.  Beanes ego.  Theres no reason to lose an asset like him for nothing when we can wait another year or 2 until someone else makes him their GM and we can receive 2 3rd rd picks.  Those are important resources that they should be looking forward to being rewarded. 
 

That said, I expect minny to sign him and we get nothing 

Care to elaborate? Not that I think that Beane has anything less than a massive ego, but how would that impact any possible compensation? Are you saying that he should elevate himself to president and Gray to general manager to keep him in the fold?

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

If we lose him and don’t get 3rd rd compensation I would blame it on ego.  Beanes ego.  Theres no reason to lose an asset like him for nothing when we can wait another year or 2 until someone else makes him their GM and we can receive 2 3rd rd picks.  Those are important resources that they should be looking forward to being rewarded. 
 

That said, I expect minny to sign him and we get nothing 

 

I'm not sure that helps. Not 100% on the rules... but if we promote Gray to GM I don't think a team can approach him for their GM job other than by trading their picks for him like a HC trade (which they wouldn't do) or by waiting until he is out of contract in which case we don't get pick compensation. 

 

It's on the NFL to sort their mess of a rule out. There needs to be clear objective criteria. Does the contract give control over the 90 and the 53? If it does, they are a GM and the rule applies. If it doesn't they are not.

Edited May 7 by GunnerBill

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Care to elaborate? Not that I think that Beane has anything less than a massive ego, but how would that impact any possible compensation? Are you saying that he should elevate himself to president and Gray to general manager to keep him in the fold?

He is already president (and GM).  They can promote Gray to GM and he’ll still report to Beane, leaving the hierarchy intact in order to keep him.  

55 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm not sure that helps. Not 100% on the rules... but if we promote Gray to GM I don't think a team can approach him for their GM job other than by trading their picks for him like a HC trade (which they wouldn't do) or by waiting until he is out of contract in which case we don't get pick compensation. 

 

It's on the NFL to sort their mess of a rule out. There needs to be clear objective criteria. Does the contract give control over the 90 and the 53? If it does, they are a GM and the rule applies. If it doesn't they are not.

I should’ve phrased that differently.  It’s not just about losing the picks.  It’s about losing out on the picks AND losing Gray at the same time.  I view Gray as a valuable piece of this puzzle and we have the ability to keep him if Beane names him GM (while Beane still remains the man in charge.  If they name Gray GM they will keep a valuable piece to the FO.  If they don’t, they may lose Gray to minny and lose out on the 3rd rd picks.

 

I’m not exactly sure how this works, but I was under the impression that someone can be hired away if they were offered a higher position within another organization.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but If Gray were the GM here, operating under Beane, then another team would be able to hire him as GM if he were to be the top of their food chain.  

[NoSaint]

Ultimately, this an example of rules like this being well intentioned but often impractical or even sometimes counterproductive 

 

I think most of us here want to see people of all kinds of backgrounds receive the opportunities they deserve- I think it’s hard to frame this discussion as what anyone wanted when the rule was made.

[GunnerBill]

35 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He is already president (and GM).  They can promote Gray to GM and he’ll still report to Beane, leaving the hierarchy intact in order to keep him.  

I should’ve phrased that differently.  It’s not just about losing the picks.  It’s about losing out on the picks AND losing Gray at the same time.  I view Gray as a valuable piece of this puzzle and we have the ability to keep him if Beane names him GM (while Beane still remains the man in charge.  If they name Gray GM they will keep a valuable piece to the FO.  If they don’t, they may lose Gray to minny and lose out on the 3rd rd picks.

 

I’m not exactly sure how this works, but I was under the impression that someone can be hired away if they were offered a higher position within another organization.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but If Gray were the GM here, operating under Beane, then another team would be able to hire him as GM if he were to be the top of their food chain.  

 

Honestly I don't know for certain under my old understanding of the rules there was nothing higher than Head Coach or GM. But the Falcons / Bears ruling has really cast doubt.

[MrEpsYtown]

10 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

There are rumors that Rob Brzezinski could be elevated to President of Football Operations, with Terrance Gray (or someone else) being named General Manager. If that were to happen, the Bills would not be eligible to receive draft pick compensation, because Gray would not be considered the primary football official in the Vikings organization.

 

This is similar to what recently happened with the Bears. Their AGM, Ian Cunningham, was hired away by the Falcons, but Chicago did not receive draft pick compensation because Matt Ryan, not Cunningham, is considered the Falcons' primary football official. The Bears appealed the NFL’s original decision, but the appeal was denied as well.

 

@Kirby Jackson

Seems like the kind of work around the NFL should try to shut down. It’s kind of a weird look but I get it. It’s not like the hiring team is losing picks. 

[JGMcD2]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

I should’ve phrased that differently.  It’s not just about losing the picks.  It’s about losing out on the picks AND losing Gray at the same time.  I view Gray as a valuable piece of this puzzle and we have the ability to keep him if Beane names him GM (while Beane still remains the man in charge.  If they name Gray GM they will keep a valuable piece to the FO.  If they don’t, they may lose Gray to minny and lose out on the 3rd rd picks.

 

I’m not exactly sure how this works, but I was under the impression that someone can be hired away if they were offered a higher position within another organization.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but If Gray were the GM here, operating under Beane, then another team would be able to hire him as GM if he were to be the top of their food chain.  

Pretty interesting that your original post went as far as framing this as a Beane ego problem that could potentially cost the Bills draft pick compensation, but now you’re saying you don’t fully understand the rules or how the process works. It feels like an oversimplification and an unnecessary shot.

Typically, if it’s considered a lateral move by title, the current team would need to grant permission for the interview or hire to happen. Regardless of reporting structure, teams will often allow it if it represents a meaningful promotion in title or organizational structure, but they are not required to do so.

 

Using a coordinator example because I don’t have a front office example off-hand, but the league generally handles them similarly: the Cowboys recently denied the Eagles permission to interview Klayton Adams for their offensive coordinator opening. The fact that Adams does not call plays under Brian Schottenheimer, but presumably would under Nick Sirianni, was ultimately irrelevant to Dallas’ ability to deny the request.

Edited May 8 by JGMcD2

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

Pretty interesting that your original post went as far as framing this as a Beane ego problem that could potentially cost the Bills draft pick compensation, but now you’re saying you don’t fully understand the rules or how the process works. It feels like an oversimplification and an unnecessary shot.

Typically, if it’s considered a lateral move by title, the current team would need to grant permission for the interview or hire to happen. Regardless of reporting structure, teams will often allow it if it represents a meaningful promotion in title or organizational structure, but they are not required to do so.

 

Using a coordinator example because I don’t have a front office example off-hand, but the league generally handles them similarly: the Cowboys recently denied the Eagles permission to interview Klayton Adams for their offensive coordinator opening. The fact that Adams does not call plays under Brian Schottenheimer, but presumably would under Nick Sirianni, was ultimately irrelevant to Dallas’ ability to deny the request.

Just saying it how I see it.  I like Beane.  I didn’t want him to be fired.  I like his personality.  I think he’s a solid GM.  
 

if you see what I said as a “shot”, ok.  Gray is an asset.  If we lose him to another team and don’t get something for him, it would be a mistake on our part.  Beane is Grays boss. We can give Gray a promotion and Beane will still be his boss and still be in charge of the Bills…..but Beane would have to step down from his GM duties and give up some of his power to Gray.  I see his ego as the only reason he wouldn’t do it. 

 

when Beane was named president, I figured that he would be stepping down as GM over the next year or two and hand the reigns to Gray.  Pure speculation on my part, but that’s how I saw this going down in time  If my speculation has any inkling of truth, then losing Gray in a way where we lose our future GM AND get nothing in return for him, it’s a debacle.

 

if you haven’t thought of this happening (Beane hiring Gray as GM in the future) or don’t think it would ever happen, then it makes sense why you wouldn’t agree with my thoughts here.  I get it.  From where I stand, it’s only a matter of time before Gray becomes our GM.  Only an ego standing in the way of losing him.  
 

And yes, I’m not 💯 sure how this all works. Doesn’t seem like anyone here does. Yet we can still share our opinion on the matter. And my opinion is that: A- losing Gray would throw a wrench into our plans but receiving 2 third rounds would help alleviate some of that sting.  B- losing him and getting nothing in return should never happen and would only happen if Beane wasn’t willing to give up some of his power in order to keep his best FO asset.

 

of course,  don’t know any of this to be true.  It’s just how I feel we’ve set this thing up for the future.  I could be completely off base.  

[Buffalo716]

If he has the chance good for him 

 

Regardless of the picks.. if he was offered the GM job he should take it and the bills have a good front office

 

It's not like 20 years ago

 

It's a once in a lifetime job

[JGMcD2]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

Just saying it how I see it.  I like Beane.  I didn’t want him to be fired.  I like his personality.  I think he’s a solid GM.  
 

if you see what I said as a “shot”, ok.  Gray is an asset.  If we lose him to another team and don’t get something for him, it would be a mistake on our part.  Beane is Grays boss. We can give Gray a promotion and Beane will still be his boss and still be in charge of the Bills…..but Beane would have to step down from his GM duties and give up some of his power to Gray.  I see his ego as the only reason he wouldn’t do it. 

Except that framing still feels unnecessarily inflammatory to me. There are a whole host of reasons why Terrance Gray could ultimately choose Minnesota over Buffalo that have nothing to do with ego.

 

Who’s to say Gray doesn’t simply prefer a different challenge, organizational structure, or even want to be closer to family in the Midwest? Those are all entirely plausible explanations.

 

I also think it’s unfair to reduce something this nuanced down to “ego.”

 

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

when Beane was named president, I figured that he would be stepping down as GM over the next year or two and hand the reigns to Gray.  Pure speculation on my part, but that’s how I saw this going down in time  If my speculation has any inkling of truth, then losing Gray in a way where we lose our future GM AND get nothing in return for him, it’s a debacle.

 

if you haven’t thought of this happening (Beane hiring Gray as GM in the future) or don’t think it would ever happen, then it makes sense why you wouldn’t agree with my thoughts here.  I get it.  From where I stand, it’s only a matter of time before Gray becomes our GM.  Only an ego standing in the way of losing him.  

I have thought about it. In fact, I’m the first person in this thread who brought it up. It’s sandwiched between your posts about drafting a safety in 2027 and the idea that Brandon Beane’s ego is the only reason Terrance Gray could possibly leave.

 

If your point is simply that you believe Gray is viewed internally as a future GM candidate, that’s completely fair speculation. We agree. But jumping from that to “the only thing standing in the way is ego” is where I think the conversation becomes unfair and overly simplistic.

 

There are plenty of plausible reasons why Gray could choose another opportunity that have nothing to do with ego at all.

12 hours ago, NewEra said:

And yes, I’m not 💯 sure how this all works. Doesn’t seem like anyone here does. Yet we can still share our opinion on the matter. And my opinion is that: A- losing Gray would throw a wrench into our plans but receiving 2 third rounds would help alleviate some of that sting.  B- losing him and getting nothing in return should never happen and would only happen if Beane wasn’t willing to give up some of his power in order to keep his best FO asset.

I've also laid out how it works, it's not speculation. Giving exact specifics.

[Don Otreply]

Have they hired him yet? 
 

 

 

 

 

😁🍸🚬

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

Except that framing still feels unnecessarily inflammatory to me. There are a whole host of reasons why Terrance Gray could ultimately choose Minnesota over Buffalo that have nothing to do with ego.

 

Who’s to say Gray doesn’t simply prefer a different challenge, organizational structure, or even want to be closer to family in the Midwest? Those are all entirely plausible explanations.

 

I also think it’s unfair to reduce something this nuanced down to “ego.”

 

I have thought about it. In fact, I’m the first person in this thread who brought it up. It’s sandwiched between your posts about drafting a safety in 2027 and the idea that Brandon Beane’s ego is the only reason Terrance Gray could possibly leave.

 

If your point is simply that you believe Gray is viewed internally as a future GM candidate, that’s completely fair speculation. We agree. But jumping from that to “the only thing standing in the way is ego” is where I think the conversation becomes unfair and overly simplistic.

that’s fair.  My original statement is unfair.  “In my opinion, ego would most likely be the reason we would lose Gray to the Vikings.”

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

 

There are plenty of plausible reasons why Gray could choose another opportunity that have nothing to do with ego at all.

I've also laid out how it works, it's not speculation. Giving exact specifics.

You've laid how what works and isn’t speculation?  Sorry, busy day at work, I can sift through the thread later, but don’t currently have time. 

[Bray Wyatt]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-vikings-narrow-gm-list-to-final-five/ar-AA23GRU6?ocid=socialshare

 

Looks like he has made it down to the final 5 and is getting a second interview.

Cmon comp picks!

 

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, Bray Wyatt said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-vikings-narrow-gm-list-to-final-five/ar-AA23GRU6?ocid=socialshare

 

Looks like he has made it down to the final 5 and is getting a second interview.

Cmon comp picks!

 

 

 

Aww man, getting an extra 3rd for next year's draft would be HUGE. And it would open up a job for Joe Schoen once the Giants fire him.

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-vikings-narrow-gm-list-to-final-five/ar-AA23GRU6?ocid=socialshare

 

Looks like he has made it down to the final 5 and is getting a second interview.

Cmon comp picks!

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Aww man, getting an extra 3rd for next year's draft would be HUGE. And it would open up a job for Joe Schoen once the Giants fire him.

@JGMcD2 clarified earlier in the thread that if the Vikings promote the guy that is there to President of Football Ops (or whatever) and hire Gray as the GM underneath him, there won’t be comp picks. That seems to be the most likely scenario (or at least was a few weeks ago). 😡

[Bray Wyatt]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

@JGMcD2 clarified earlier in the thread that if the Vikings promote the guy that is there to President of Football Ops (or whatever) and hire Gray as the GM underneath him, there won’t be comp picks. That seems to be the most likely scenario (or at least was a few weeks ago). 😡

 

Then why interview Brezinksi (sp?) for the gm job at all if that is what they wanted to do. Wouldnt you have just promoted him and then did the interviews?

[BuffaloBillyG]

20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

@JGMcD2 clarified earlier in the thread that if the Vikings promote the guy that is there to President of Football Ops (or whatever) and hire Gray as the GM underneath him, there won’t be comp picks. That seems to be the most likely scenario (or at least was a few weeks ago). 😡

Seems like a work around to dirk the system put in place to me. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Seems like a work around to dirk the system put in place to me. 

 

Why would anyone purposely do that though? It's not like the hiring team loses any draft picks. It doesnt cost them anything at all.

 

I guess maybe if you were hiring them from a division rival, maybe. But that seems like a lot of unnecessary maneuvering just to stop a 3rd round pick. Hiring someone as President of Football Ops just to prevent a team from getting a 3rd?...

 

I dont think the Vikings or any other team are doing that with the comp picks in mind.

[boyst]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Why would anyone purposely do that though? It's not like the hiring team loses any draft picks. It doesnt cost them anything at all.

 

I guess maybe if you were hiring them from a division rival, maybe. But that seems like a lot of unnecessary maneuvering just to stop a 3rd round pick. Hiring someone as President of Football Ops just to prevent a team from getting a 3rd?...

 

I dont think the Vikings or any other team are doing that with the comp picks in mind.

You can put another team at a disadvantage - do it. I wouldn't care if the Bills made a move to make the Cardinals lose a 7th round pick. I'd do it 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, boyst said:

You can put another team at a disadvantage - do it. I wouldn't care if the Bills made a move to make the Cardinals lose a 7th round pick. I'd do it 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. 

 

But that arent losing any picks. They just arent getting any extra. And that is no way to build an org chart.

 

You're going to pay a guy millions of dollars a year and give him major influence over your team, just to prevent the Cardinals from getting an extra 7th? When the Cardinals cant even get the 3rd overall pick right? And you have to tel your new GM he needs to answer to some schmuck because you dont want his old team to get a comp pick?

 

Makes no sense. Is bad business. Very Haslam/Browns-y 

 

Good luck!