Are the Lamar Jackson Ravens overrated in this era?

[BillsFanForever19]

Again with this? I swear there's a new Lamar is overrated post every few weeks....

 

They think their guy is better and we think our guy is better. They're both great Quarterbacks. We've got Josh Allen - so what does it matter?

 

Who cares what their fans or certain people in the media think? In the words of Josh himself while mic'd up:

 

"Lions don't care about the opinions of sheep, brother"

Edited May 4 by BillsFanForever19

[behind a post WMS69]

3 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

wonder if romo had that ravens team, if he would've won a ring

if Josh was a raven....ring?

I'm not sure that they would have won a ring with with Josh either. Two of those games they had us on the ropes, we couldn't stop Henry at all and they inexplicably stopped running the ball. 

 

To me, that is the reason the Ravens have a new coach. You can't have that kind of coaching and win.

Edited May 4 by behind a post WMS69

[Kelly No huddle]

I still don't get the Kyle Hamilton hype 

 

0 ints last year 

 

1 int the last 2 yrs...

 

Really good player.  All pro???

 

Bills oline is better than the ravens. 

 

Qbs are basically even.  

 

I'd take Cook over Henry at this point in their careers. 

 

Kincaid is better than Andrew's, although Andrew's is more durable. 

 

Zay flowers is awesome,  but I'd take the rest of our wrs over their 2-6

Edited May 4 by Kelly No huddle

[BillsFanForever19]

1 minute ago, Kelly No huddle said:

I still don't get the Kyle Hamilton hype 

 

0 ints last year 

 

1 int the last 2 yrs...

 

Really good player.  All pro???

 

Interceptions aren't the only stats that matters with a DB. He likely doesn't have many interceptions bc his coverage is so good, it's not often he's ever tested.

[Kelly No huddle]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Interceptions aren't the only stats that matters with a DB. He likely doesn't have many interceptions bc his coverage is so good, it's not often he's ever tested.

 

Kincaid cooked him

[BillsFanForever19]

16 minutes ago, Kelly No huddle said:

 

Kincaid cooked him

 

I wouldn't call a 15 yard out "cooked". Hamilton was there and Kincaid made a play. That happens even against the best players in Football.

 

And not for nothing, Josh Allen is a pretty good football player himself, don't you think? Here's Ed Reed breaking that play down:

 

 

All that said, if you watched Hamilton last year - it's a fools errand to try and discount his All Pro status. 

[NoSaint]

39 minutes ago, Kelly No huddle said:

I still don't get the Kyle Hamilton hype 

 

0 ints last year 

 

1 int the last 2 yrs...

 

Really good player.  All pro???

 

Bills oline is better than the ravens. 

 

Qbs are basically even.  

 

I'd take Cook over Henry at this point in their careers. 

 

Kincaid is better than Andrew's, although Andrew's is more durable. 

 

Zay flowers is awesome,  but I'd take the rest of our wrs over their 2-6

 

how many letters do you have to type before your phone auto completes your Kyle Hamilton post?

 

you really want to make sure everyone knows where you stand on that random safety eh?

[GroteStreet]

10 hours ago, colin said:

They are a little over rated.

 

They are massively talented, and they have a crazy mix of size weight speed and they added van noy and Henry who are like force multipliers.  They had (lost a lot of blocking talent) a monster power scheme mixed with great speed and misdirection.  I think they were always intimidating and hard to play.

 

All that said, they are chokers and mentally soft.  Front runners.

 

They are the second most under achieving team in the NFL over the last 5 seasons.

I assume buffalo is most underachieving team over last 5 years?

[Man with No Name]

The Ravens should have beat us in the playoffs 2 years ago. And they should have stomped us in game 1 last season. Coulda woulda shoulda. but you could say the same thing about our playoff performances. 

[Kelly No huddle]

16 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

The Ravens should have beat us in the playoffs 2 years ago. And they should have stomped us in game 1 last season. Coulda woulda shoulda. but you could say the same thing about our playoff performances. 

Buffalo almost blew out the ravens in the playoffs. If we score on the opening 2nd half drive its 28-10 and I believe it would've got out of hand. Way too conservative in the 2nd half imo

 

I predicted before the game we would blow them out. I was wrong but still...

 

We controlled that entire game. 

 

Henry 12 carries for 22 yds in the 1st half.  

Edited May 4 by Kelly No huddle

[Man with No Name]

Just now, Kelly No huddle said:

Buffalo almost blew out the ravens in the playoffs. If we score on the opening 2nd half drive its 28-10 and I believe it would've got out of hand. 

 

I predicted before the game we would blow them out. I was wrong but still...

 

We controlled that entire game. 

 

Henry 12 carries for 22 yds in the 1st half.  

But it's kind of our thing to not stomp on the opposition's throat. It's not a fluke that it wasn't 28-10. It's our DNA. We controlled the entire game, and still we're a Mark Andrews drop away from maybe not winning. 

[Chaos]

17 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

but ever other team in the NFL with the exception of the ones with those three would swap for him tomorrow

Not with his contract. Really don't see it. 

[Man with No Name]

5 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Not with his contract. Really don't see it. 

agree. I don't think Lamar is desirable in the same way as those guys. I actually like him and think he's a decent guy, but his leadership isn't top notch. An offense needs to be very specifically tailored to him. His floor, which he seems to hit often every couple years, is really low. And you just have to wonder what he'll look like out there if he loses a 10th or 2 on his 40. A long term contract for the kind of money he demands definitely makes him a bit less desired. 

[H2o]

Both Lamar and the Ravens have been good over the years, but both Lamar and the Ravens have also still been overrated. It can be both. 

[Scott7975]

Just my opinion. I dont think they have been overrated, but they have underachieved with the talent they have had. As far as Jackson, I believe last season he took a nice leap in passing but I still dont view him in the upper echelon of passing or reading defense. He is however usually one of the most overall talented guys on the field and exciting to watch. Also, I think he throws some of the most prettiest seam balls and sometimes even deep balls that I have ever seen.

 

Lastly, I also think the Bills have underachieved. Every year whether that is on defense or offense it seems we just need like 1 or 2 balls or controversial call to go our way and we would have been in. 

Edited May 5 by Scott7975

[Kelly No huddle]

24 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Just my opinion. I dont think they have been overrated, but they have underachieved with the talent they have had. As far as Jackson, I believe last season he took a nice leap in passing but I still dont view him in the upper echelon of passing or reading defense. He is however usually one of the most overall talented guys on the field and exciting to watch. Also, I think he throws some of the most prettiest seam balls and sometimes even deep balls that I have ever seen.

 

Lastly, I also think the Bills have underachieved. Every year whether that is on defense or offense it seems we just need like 1 or 2 balls or controversial call to go our way and we would have been in. 

 

That one scramble opening night when it was the 4th qtr and like 3rd &17. Lamar got outside and turned on the jets. Unreal athlete. He scares the crap out of me when he breaks contain....

 

I honestly still have ptsd from burrow too. It took Allen going full alien mode and a great play by Benford to beat Cincinnati when burrow was healthy. 

 

That was payback for the 22 playoff loss. They knocked us out once & we knocked them out once....

 

That's my afc championship prediction 💯 

 

Bills vs Bengals 

 

Edited May 5 by Kelly No huddle

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, Kelly No huddle said:

Buffalo almost blew out the ravens in the playoffs. If we score on the opening 2nd half drive its 28-10 and I believe it would've got out of hand. Way too conservative in the 2nd half imo

 

I predicted before the game we would blow them out. I was wrong but still...

 

We controlled that entire game. 

 

Henry 12 carries for 22 yds in the 1st half.  

If Mark Andrews catches that ball at the goal line we would have been rid of McDermott one year earlier

[nuklz2594]

14 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

The Ravens should have beat us in the playoffs 2 years ago. And they should have stomped us in game 1 last season. Coulda woulda shoulda. but you could say the same thing about our playoff performances. 

Lamar doesn't have the "it" gene. 

[TheFunPolice]

I think the biggest issue with Lamar is mental. The guy is an incredible talent but it seems like you can get him to pack it in for the day if you make it hard enough. Make it ugly and rough and make him earn every yard he runs and passes for.

 

You can see it starting when he does that thing where he starts hitting himself in the helmet after a bad play. That's when you know he's close to closing up shop for the rest of the game and becoming  shell of what he is capable of. 

 

If he stays in the alpha mindset, though, he can be close to unstoppable. 

 

[harryS]

The media has been very desirous that Lamar Jackson does well.